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stylepoints
Profile Joined August 2010
Trinidad/Tobago22 Posts
August 31 2010 13:02 GMT
#341
When did I say I have authoritative knowledge? I said he's annoying, which he is. Btw I did a quick search and found there is a range of sounds that affect the human nervous system when heard, stuff like babies crying in the 5-7.5khz range.

Whether husky's voice lies in that range I couldn't really tell you, and I'm too lazy to find out. What I can tell you is when he yells for 30 seconds at a time running words off incredibly fast I want to stab a fork into my eardrums. Kinda what I've been saying this whole time.
Yiko
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany104 Posts
August 31 2010 13:04 GMT
#342
My feelings about the MLG are really mixed. The (most) games were fun to watch and the commentary was okay. I liked Day9/JP more than the other combinations, but that is just totally personal preference and had nothing to do with my overall reception.

I always kept asking myself "who is the target audience for this". Looking at the jackets, make-up, map-previews, etc. one would guess that they wanted to appear professional and be appealing to a broad audience. But there were so many things that totally destroyed this professionalism.

One thing was the crowd, that had to sit on the floor and follow the stream (they could have been anywhere, there seemed to be no connection to the actual tournament enviroment). I still can't believe that one would pay ?25$? for this. Another deal-breaker was the "flow" of the broadcast. At least to me it didn't appear to be an ongoing tournament but more of a random aggregation of matches. This perception is partially created by the lack of brackets/standings/information (or whatever one would like to call it), so i never really knew what was going on, and of course also the lack of "fillers" between the matches. There was so much time wasted, by the poor casters trying to invite the players to the game and being as entertaining as possible at the same time. What about some interviews, scenes from previous matches of the players who are casted next, general information about sc2 gameplay/terminology, recaps of the previous events, etc.?

Don't get me wrong, i really enjoyed watching but in my opinion there is a lot of room for improvement.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
August 31 2010 13:09 GMT
#343
On August 31 2010 22:02 stylepoints wrote:
When did I say I have authoritative knowledge? I said he's annoying, which he is. Btw I did a quick search and found there is a range of sounds that affect the human nervous system when heard, stuff like babies crying in the 5-7.5khz range.

Whether husky's voice lies in that range I couldn't really tell you, and I'm too lazy to find out. What I can tell you is when he yells for 30 seconds at a time running words off incredibly fast I want to stab a fork into my eardrums. Kinda what I've been saying this whole time.


once again, oh myopic one, whether you believe he is annoying or not is YOUR OPINION but is not established fact and therefore please stop making statements like:
I said he's annoying, which he is.


You can think what you want but you're not speaking for... anyone really. So stop trying to. Thanks
manner
stylepoints
Profile Joined August 2010
Trinidad/Tobago22 Posts
August 31 2010 13:12 GMT
#344
I'm speaking for me. I never claimed otherwise. Plus I can mute those dolts, the bigger problem with MLG was the enormous waits between matches at times. I don't know if that was planned or due to tech issues. Either way it was bad.
PsionicOtter
Profile Joined August 2010
United States16 Posts
August 31 2010 13:49 GMT
#345
On August 31 2010 18:12 Bane1998 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Do not make me install junk on my computer to watch the coverage, I won't do it. Your sponsers won't get my eyeballs.

2. Get non-live videos out faster. I watched recorded video on YouTube with all your sponser stuff cut out because you were too slow. Yet again, your sponsers won't get my eyeballs. If you were faster with videos, I would have seen your sponser ads in them.

3. Your website is impossible to navigate. How many people care about all the different games? I want a Starcraft 2 experience. It's fine to tease you do other things and if I'm interested I'll click deeper, but finding 'just starcraft' on your website was impossible. Nor could I (still to this day) find just straight up videos and/or replays. Your site doesn't seem designed to the people who actually want to be an eSports fan, but rather it's designed seemingly to someone who is trying to advertise MLG. MLG will be cool if it does cool things.

4. Understand your audience. We're gamers, we're young, and we're prolly cheap. We're not going to generally pay for a HD stream, instead someone will rip it for us. Don't give us a reason to rip it... be the source.

5. I don't think I actually was able to find the rankings, ladder, match results, who's there, or anything on your website. Again, just a horrible horrible website. What I really want is to go to http://starcraft2.mlgpro.com and click on 'Raleigh 2010' in a very obvious link, and then from there have access to live stream, all the info on who's there and current standings, and links to replays and videos for each and every game already played, or any games currently being played. I don't understand what's hard about that.

6. Casters shouldn't be setting up the games. There was some issue apparently where the casters were actually trying to get the players in the game. Let the casters cast, have referees handling the tech details out of view and setting up the game. Casters shoudl just see that it's starting and then be given a keyboard/mouse/monitor.

7. More camera on the players. There was a match where HuK was in a small video in the action card of the cast, that was pretty cool. It's interesting to watch the actual players behind the screen, though I know they tend to be somewhat uninteresting and just focusing.

8. Day[9] is a great caster, the others... meh. It's good to be excited watching certain plays, but there was like some serious 'nerd shrieking' going on, there could be less of that.

9. Pre-game and post-game interviews with the players. How do you feel going into this? How do you feel coming out of it? Why do you think you won/lost? WHat was the most descisive moment in your mind? yadda yadda.

10. 'Fun' things before/after coverage. There was a TLOwnage video somewhere that was very fun and funny to watch of TLO just pwning noobs with unorthodox builds and being humorously casted. Or even educational things, pathfinding/micro tricks, overlays on maps showing common routes, etc.

11. If eSports is gunna break out it needs to feel slightly less 'nerdy.' The nerd shrieking stopping would be a good first step. A little more female (the female voice explaining the map before a match was kind of good). A little more preparedness, and the casters not doing the game set up. Add a little 'professionalism' to it (not saying don't have fun).

(Not to be a hard knock, but I don't care if all those points have 'but you can get that by doing ____ on our site' because even if I could, I couldn't find it, and the amount of time I'll spend looking is simply limited before I'll just go to YouTube and watch rips.)



Very nicely listed points, I heavily agree with this post. A good bit of simplicity and clarity would have gone a long way.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
August 31 2010 13:57 GMT
#346
On August 29 2010 22:37 Affluenza wrote:
I hate the format...double elimination is poor format.

I also felt robbed of a proper final...I'm sorry but the concept that a final can be played with a player having a defecit or set advantage is not a proper final...



I agree partially, double elim is fine but the slate should be wiped clean for the final. Start it at 0-0 whether they have previously met in the winners bracket or not.
SupaFly.nc
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:04:31
August 31 2010 17:03 GMT
#347
Mostly echoing some comments as they relate to my experience there:

1) Seating - obviously it would be cool to have a stadium seating setup, but frankly just more benches would be fine too.

2) Game/Commentator Sound - the speakers don't have to be blasting, instead maybe add more, smaller speakers throughout the seating area that can be kept lower on volume as to not disturb the players.

3) Commentator/Crowd Interaction - I would much prefer that the casters have vision to the crowd. I would like to see more interaction there (HuK fightiiiiiiiiiing?). I thought about making some signs, but after the first day I saw no real reason to do it. Allow casters to address the crowd and capture the crowd response well. I think that would encourage more people there to really get into it, and cause people not there to envy the excitement of going to these kind of events.

4) Crowd Shots/Noise - better capture the energy of the crowd (probably goes a long with un-separating the crowd from the casters more).

5) Game Schedule - pacing seemed slow, maybe skew the start of some of the games to cover more games and have less downtime. Especially if you have 2 sets of casters, it still shouldn't be too draining on them.

6) Temperature - it did get chilly/drafty at times.
"Vs. Zerg - Neural Parasite is rarely used in this match-up because there are relatively few Zerg units worth controlling." -Old Liquipedia Entry
ChrisLeBlanc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada23 Posts
August 31 2010 17:17 GMT
#348
On August 31 2010 22:02 stylepoints wrote:
stuff like babies crying in the 5-7.5khz range. .

His voice doesn't lie in that range. A tenor can hit the low end of a 5khz range (C-D5 is aroung 5khz give or take). But the majority of female singers are there, so talking to a woman must be aboslute hell for you then?

Biggest complaint I have was seeing people sit on the floor, seemed very unprofessional. Folding chairs aren't overly expensive, relatively easy to store, and make it that much more classy.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
August 31 2010 17:25 GMT
#349
On August 31 2010 22:49 PsionicOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 18:12 Bane1998 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Do not make me install junk on my computer to watch the coverage, I won't do it. Your sponsers won't get my eyeballs.

2. Get non-live videos out faster. I watched recorded video on YouTube with all your sponser stuff cut out because you were too slow. Yet again, your sponsers won't get my eyeballs. If you were faster with videos, I would have seen your sponser ads in them.

3. Your website is impossible to navigate. How many people care about all the different games? I want a Starcraft 2 experience. It's fine to tease you do other things and if I'm interested I'll click deeper, but finding 'just starcraft' on your website was impossible. Nor could I (still to this day) find just straight up videos and/or replays. Your site doesn't seem designed to the people who actually want to be an eSports fan, but rather it's designed seemingly to someone who is trying to advertise MLG. MLG will be cool if it does cool things.

4. Understand your audience. We're gamers, we're young, and we're prolly cheap. We're not going to generally pay for a HD stream, instead someone will rip it for us. Don't give us a reason to rip it... be the source.

5. I don't think I actually was able to find the rankings, ladder, match results, who's there, or anything on your website. Again, just a horrible horrible website. What I really want is to go to http://starcraft2.mlgpro.com and click on 'Raleigh 2010' in a very obvious link, and then from there have access to live stream, all the info on who's there and current standings, and links to replays and videos for each and every game already played, or any games currently being played. I don't understand what's hard about that.

6. Casters shouldn't be setting up the games. There was some issue apparently where the casters were actually trying to get the players in the game. Let the casters cast, have referees handling the tech details out of view and setting up the game. Casters shoudl just see that it's starting and then be given a keyboard/mouse/monitor.

7. More camera on the players. There was a match where HuK was in a small video in the action card of the cast, that was pretty cool. It's interesting to watch the actual players behind the screen, though I know they tend to be somewhat uninteresting and just focusing.

8. Day[9] is a great caster, the others... meh. It's good to be excited watching certain plays, but there was like some serious 'nerd shrieking' going on, there could be less of that.

9. Pre-game and post-game interviews with the players. How do you feel going into this? How do you feel coming out of it? Why do you think you won/lost? WHat was the most descisive moment in your mind? yadda yadda.

10. 'Fun' things before/after coverage. There was a TLOwnage video somewhere that was very fun and funny to watch of TLO just pwning noobs with unorthodox builds and being humorously casted. Or even educational things, pathfinding/micro tricks, overlays on maps showing common routes, etc.

11. If eSports is gunna break out it needs to feel slightly less 'nerdy.' The nerd shrieking stopping would be a good first step. A little more female (the female voice explaining the map before a match was kind of good). A little more preparedness, and the casters not doing the game set up. Add a little 'professionalism' to it (not saying don't have fun).

(Not to be a hard knock, but I don't care if all those points have 'but you can get that by doing ____ on our site' because even if I could, I couldn't find it, and the amount of time I'll spend looking is simply limited before I'll just go to YouTube and watch rips.)



Very nicely listed points, I heavily agree with this post. A good bit of simplicity and clarity would have gone a long way.


Yeah I want draw attention to this post too. It outlines very well most, if not all, of my concerns.
MLG_Lee
Profile Joined July 2010
279 Posts
August 31 2010 18:19 GMT
#350
Hey everyone,

thanks for all the awesome feedback. I'm still making my way through all the event threads to catch up (bit busy over the weekend :D). A lot of the things I'm seeing are already in my own notes from the event, but as always, there's things that I don't catch when I'm in the weeds of the event. Looking forward to improving our casts and our production at the event.

It was great to meet all the TL folks that came as well as all the players. Really looking forward to meeting more folks at the DC event and seeing some more familiar faces. Got a chance to hang out with Ender (who played in the event) and Clutch for a little bit as well. We'll work on making the spectator experience better for the next one.

Big shout out to JP for all his hard work leading up to the event and his great work during the event. It was also great to finally meet Day9, HD and Husky. I thought they all did a great job on stream. Doing this stuff live is always tremendously different then sitting at home.

I don't want to spend too much time replying to the various comments here until we've had a chance to digest internally and figure out what we can do vs we can't do, but look for an update from me before too long.

Thanks again for all the support, for tuning in, and for the detailed feedback!

Lee
Twitter: @MLGLee ( https://twitter.com/#!/MLGLee )
Ariwa
Profile Joined August 2010
41 Posts
August 31 2010 21:14 GMT
#351
Gonna say I had a boatload of fun, it was fantastic meeting you for real this time Lee :p

Biggest issue I had was the temperature, at one point while I was goofing off in the spectator area I was shaking it was so cold.
Starcraft is like being the general manager and coach of the worst soccer team of all time. Unless you tell them EXACTLY what to do at any given time they will either stand around, run out of bounds, or die. - Defacer
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 23:52:11
August 31 2010 21:51 GMT
#352
On September 01 2010 03:19 MLG_Lee wrote:
Hey everyone,

thanks for all the awesome feedback. I'm still making my way through all the event threads to catch up (bit busy over the weekend :D). A lot of the things I'm seeing are already in my own notes from the event, but as always, there's things that I don't catch when I'm in the weeds of the event. Looking forward to improving our casts and our production at the event.

It was great to meet all the TL folks that came as well as all the players. Really looking forward to meeting more folks at the DC event and seeing some more familiar faces. Got a chance to hang out with Ender (who played in the event) and Clutch for a little bit as well. We'll work on making the spectator experience better for the next one.

Big shout out to JP for all his hard work leading up to the event and his great work during the event. It was also great to finally meet Day9, HD and Husky. I thought they all did a great job on stream. Doing this stuff live is always tremendously different then sitting at home.

I don't want to spend too much time replying to the various comments here until we've had a chance to digest internally and figure out what we can do vs we can't do, but look for an update from me before too long.

Thanks again for all the support, for tuning in, and for the detailed feedback!

Lee



I'm just hoping you refund those people in your support forum who have yet to hear back as to why they paid for a feature that was never provided.
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
August 31 2010 22:16 GMT
#353
On August 29 2010 22:50 Senx wrote:
Also, Fullscreen on stream STILL cuts off the screen so you only see about 70% of the screen. This really needs to be fixed.

This

Had to use VLC player to go fullscreen -.-
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 22:39:17
August 31 2010 22:18 GMT
#354
Where are the replays?

EDIT: and I mean the 20kb SC2Replay files, not the 200mb VoDs...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
August 31 2010 22:20 GMT
#355
I just wanted to say that the fact that there is even a thread here asking for feedback is a huge plus in my books. There are certainly many things that can be improved but this is a great idea and it's nice knowing that our ideas/suggestions are being heard.
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
August 31 2010 22:23 GMT
#356
On September 01 2010 07:16 DarkspearTribe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 22:50 Senx wrote:
Also, Fullscreen on stream STILL cuts off the screen so you only see about 70% of the screen. This really needs to be fixed.

This

Had to use VLC player to go fullscreen -.-


We all did, the MLG site is terrible.

It's crazy that Day9 and a few college students can host a 12 hour release party in an auditorium and do it infinitely better than MLG who does it regularly.
Bane1998
Profile Joined August 2010
United States21 Posts
August 31 2010 22:50 GMT
#357
On September 01 2010 07:23 hejakev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:16 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On August 29 2010 22:50 Senx wrote:
Also, Fullscreen on stream STILL cuts off the screen so you only see about 70% of the screen. This really needs to be fixed.

This

Had to use VLC player to go fullscreen -.-


We all did, the MLG site is terrible.

It's crazy that Day9 and a few college students can host a 12 hour release party in an auditorium and do it infinitely better than MLG who does it regularly.


Day9's event was better, but it still had some of that lack of professionalism. I mean, I get it.. it's hard to advertise a car product you'd never use and you know nobody in the audience cares about whatsoever with a straight face when yer trying to have a fan event.

And of course, this post is sponsered by Gold Bond anti-itch powder.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
August 31 2010 23:00 GMT
#358
Well if you treat your sponsor like that why would they want to advertise through you?
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
September 02 2010 03:51 GMT
#359
I just wanted to personally think every single one of you who posted. I have combined this all into a comprehensive document and sent off to the powers that be! Look for updates in the future Thanks so much again.
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
September 02 2010 03:57 GMT
#360
Release vods immediately. This is a huge problem imo.
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