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I don't think at all that SC2 is boring to watch. In fact, when I watch most streams, I'm very tempted to play this game. It might be a bit blasphemous to say this on TeamLiquid, but I have not even bought this game yet. I mostly lurk, and watch a lot of streams. I find it amazing some of the things these players pull off, and how much effort goes into polishing the subtleties of this game. In fact, this game is beautiful due to that reason. It's very surprising what one missed action implies so much for a later part of the game.
I come from a baduk(Go/Weiqi/Igo) community, where these types of implications are exactly what makes that game exciting. One small mistake at move 5, and you could be suffering from an unexpected shape mistake at move 150+. It's VERY interesting to me. I find a lot of similarities between the two games, and it is in that way I view Starcraft II's tournament play.(When to attack, when to defend, when is the right time to extend, etc.) I also have to ask what exactly is wrong with a standard opening? Isn't refinement something you WANT to have in a game? Especially in a game that's aiming for "professional" atmosphere. This is also a pattern in baduk. The better you are, the more consistent you are at the smaller things(The pros are exactly this. They review a lot amateur play, and usually point out the inconsistencies. They generally preface this is as being a "usual" amateur play).
I think the bigger issue here is that most people do not appreciate some small subtle steps in the process, but look at the final result. As with Go(and really all other games), it's not whether you win or lose, but it's honestly all about how you got to that certain point. Don't get me wrong, EVERY game has balance issues, and they are dealt with as time goes on, but when the question asked is "Do you enjoy watching SCII?" I would say absolutely yes.
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Good point, but with the right casters and long games.. it can be very epic
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Why not just be upfront and be honest that you just wanted to point out (again) how "overpowered" Terran is at the moment.
Why pretend as if this really is about watching Starcraft 2. I don't understand how moderators just let so many people make thread after thread about how overpowered Terran is at the moment.
Note that nowhere in my post I'm stating that Terran is or is not overpowered. That's not the point. The point is that NOTHING that anyone posts is new or refreshing concerning this topic.
It's all been said and done a thousand times already, yet people still make these threads, mostly out of frustration.
Now I understand that people are entitled to their opinion, but it really feels as if this new generation of Starcraft 2 players are all used to WoW and other games in which the only conversation about the game was about how OP a class is or something. That carried over to Starcraft 2 and whether it's in-game or on the forum, all we see is "discussions" about imbalance.
I do not find watching Starcraft 2 boring at all, as long as it's high level play. Be it MMM, cheese, macro or anything else. As long as that person does what he/she can and must do to have good macro, micro and overall game sense to win the game.
Sure some games are more exciting then others, but I don't watch a basketball or a soccer game just in hopes that someone is going to score in a ridiculous manner. I'm watching to see two teams playing at their best.
I don't know man, it just feels that these kind of threads have no point in the end. No one ever changes his/her mind and it's only back and forth blaming and flaming and telling others that they don't know what they're talking about. It's not like it's going to get us somewhere. Not at this level of communication anyways.
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On August 31 2010 12:09 dj.ricecakes wrote:
heavy infantry with fact and port support.... boring or seen before in almost every tvz match of sc bw
do you understand what the OP is trying to say? first of all, will you go bio vs a toss in BW? I think not, ud get owned. Yet in SC2 you can go bio in ALL matchups. Hence why the OP is saying that SC2 is a little boring to watch sometimes.Blizz should make it so that you can't just use one build with tiny variations against every race. Or it will get very boring sooner or later.
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I never play BW nowadays but still find it 100x more entertaining than anything sc2.
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On August 31 2010 13:59 Vaporeon wrote:
I never play BW nowadays but still find it 100x more entertaining than anything sc2.
This. But Sc2 is interesting as long as there is good players playing. I enjoy Korean games mostly, and some of the Europeans/NA players can be really fun to watch.
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On August 31 2010 13:00 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 12:21 HalfAmazing wrote:The problem is everything is too easy. Nothing requires any serious skill. You either pick your build correctly and time your attack with some luck and steamroll a guy, or lose. Watch some "pros" play, and look at how little they're punished for their inconsistent worker production. In fact, very often they'll deliberately stop at under 30 workers because this game is just so small.  It's Brood War for idiots, imo. Then you've got thousands of dollars to win. Get out there and claim all that easy money.
Exactly this. If you think everything's too easy, then go smash. What's that? You can't beat the lamest pro, let alone the best? Hm, maybe it's not so easy then huh?
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I don't think SC2 is boring to watch at all. In fact, I think I've watched more SC2 then I have actually played.
Its fun to watch the battles, see peoples build orders and learn new techniques I didn't know before.
This game has huge potential for a high viewer ship because its just so purrrty.
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After playing and watching sc2 for quite a while now, i watched Flash vs Jaedong MSL finals and dam it was soooo much more awesome than any sc2 matches to date.
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Another thread crying about how OP Terran is. I guess at least the original post was "subtle" about it. What are you complaining about exactly? Terran players are a bunch of noobs that abuse easy builds? Blizzard sucks by making such a broken race? Either way there are plenty of threads about this already so this should be closed down to save some space for other threads.
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On August 31 2010 15:03 positron. wrote:
Another thread crying about how OP Terran is. I guess at least the original post was "subtle" about it. What are you complaining about exactly? Terran players are a bunch of noobs that abuse easy builds? Blizzard sucks by making such a broken race? Either way there are plenty of threads about this already so this should be closed down to save some space for other threads.
Another one who can't accept the plain truth about Terran. Sigh.....
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what bothers me isn't so much all terrans abusing mmm, its that other races need to tech to t2 and t3 to counter it effectively.
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In my opinion, people are saying SC2 because of mmm and the likes. Well IMO what makes SC2 boring to watch is it's not about execution, it's about countering.
What I mean by this is in BW you both have a build and the one who does it better is ahead. In SC2 you make something to counter your opponent and you're ahead. Watching people think is not as entertaining as some super fast clicking you could dream to do.
Just my thoughts.
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I like playing sc2, but watching it sucks compared to brood. The gameplay just does not engage.
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If Protoss could spam Zealot/Stalker/Warp Prism every game for every matchup for every BO then Terran has an argument.
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IMO what blizzard tried to do with SC2 was start closing that massive disparity gap between pro and semi-pro players, which in BW was massive. But this brought a downfall in the watch ability of it because its all too easy to do now. And the disparity gap is still not closing. However this game has many years to evolve and there are 2 more expansion packs to come things will change.
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On August 31 2010 17:01 red_hq wrote:
IMO what blizzard tried to do with SC2 was start closing that massive disparity gap between pro and semi-pro players, which in BW was massive. But this brought a downfall in the watch ability of it because its all too easy to do now. And the disparity gap is still not closing. However this game has many years to evolve and there are 2 more expansion packs to come things will change.
hmm 1 year per game release .. its only 1/3 for sc2 .. 2/3 will come in the following years .. what might change? idk .. but if the trend is to "add stuff" like what blizzard doing .. metagame wont improve .. it will just change and change because of the "added stuff" ..
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I find the game quite entertaing to watch (and play). Most of my concerns regarding the visibility and the art style of the game were resolved. The graphics are crisp and immersive and by now I have 0 problems to follow what's going on. Is this thread really about "watching the game" or rather about balance concerns? At least with regard to SC vanilla after one month, this game is lightyears ahead in entertainment value.
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SC2 is not going to be as good of a spectator sport as BW. That just seems to be the reality of it. When the developers made the game they had a set of priorities and this either didn't make the list or was a fail execution.
I actually think that SC2 is fun to watch, borderline really fun to watch, but not nearly as good as BW. Small tweaks like we saw in the last patch (though know they were not meant to) will not fix this and the large changes that would are not going to happen due to a combination of Bliz not caring so much or not being willing to make changes that will result in huge amounts rebalancing. The latter I do not fault them for.
I cannot remember who made the (semi) recent spotlighted thread about how to make the game have more "wow" moments (chill, plexa or etc.) It was good and apparently ignored.
Get used to it. =[
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Agreed, the fact that the mmm ball is viable versus everything else is getting boring to watch.
I have seen too many games where the terran player just sticks with the same unit composition for the entire game no matter what the enemy throws at him and the fact that it often works is just wrong imo.
You often see the other player pulling off creative strategies to deal with it and those are the games that become mildly interesting, so at least the other races are experiencing improvement because of this effect.
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