EPTOn May 04 2011 15:04 iNcontroL wrote:
and 35 threads of people talking about our debate shall commence
and 35 threads of people talking about our debate shall commence
That it will....well done with yours btw.
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Gnarwhal
United States33 Posts
That it will....well done with yours btw. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:58 Creep wrote: Incontrol said there was a vod, then he got interrupted and never said where to find it! Someone here must know where it is? its on nevake youtube account, just search tl attack. its really old and should be split up into segments of near hour long videos. | ||
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popsilique
United States71 Posts
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:05 Namu wrote: I'm not sure using debate tactics to a fellow progamer to belittle & demean him is justified because it's, lol, "natural instinct." Do you not get pissed off/ frustrated when you get into a heated argument? Do you not argue to win? Do you not use the tools you learnt in debate when you really want to win? It's like standing in a forest with a gun in your hand, and seeing a bear walking towards you. Sure, he might not want to kill you, but naturally you are probably gonna use that fucking gun. | ||
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GriNn
United States243 Posts
If people had misconceptions about why TL declined, then that's they're own fault for making dumb assumptions. Anyway, not looking forward to the insane amount of pages we'll see discussing this discussion, lol. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
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mufin
United States616 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:04 Chicane wrote: Do you really not see the flip side to that argument? Would you rather everyone turn into complete trolling assholes who only look out for their best interests? Of course not... there needs to be a balance, and guess what... that's what we have now. You still see controversy, but at the same time people are expected to "behave" for MANY reasons such as representing an organization, improving their image (which again is for many reasons) or simply to not get banned. It is incredibly easy to say "I agree I would not like everyone to be mindless hand shaking GG zombies" but you aren't even arguing anything. You are just looking at one extreme situation and saying you disagree with it in a way that looks like you are disagreeing with someone else (incontrol in this case) when I am sure he would also agree that he doesn't want everyone to be like that since that isn't even what he is saying. I doubt representatives of any top tier organization are going to turn into trolling assholes if the community is asking them to be more transparent with their decisions. | ||
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MrBoysen
Sweden13 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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banana
Netherlands1189 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:07 HolyArrow wrote: Now that the talk has died down, maybe someone will see my question How long does it usually take for the VOD to go up?I'm usually able to watch them about ~4 hours later when I wake up, stayed up for this one thou to help get 20k XD. They'll be on jtv / bliptv before they get put on the site thou. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:02 Zeri wrote: He should give inferences to the nature of the declination. A statement like the second one I made gives enough inference to not associate blame more on one party than the other. Whereas the first one does not. Thats it. Thats all there is. Well why not respond to the post you quoted. Should he have discussed that they may have had illnesses in that situation, therefore bringing something to the publics attention that they may or may not have wanted to be brought forward? NO!!!! It is actually amazing how people are arguing about how "bad" of a person Colbi is, or how "wrong" he is by simply not overextending his statement. Seriously guys.. take a step back. Is simply saying that Liquid declined TRULY a big deal? He did not say "TL declined" and then somehow closed the thread... no he just simply addressed that they were invited (for whatever motives they had) and that TL declined (for whatever motives TL had). If TL were to simply say "We were not accommodated" (which is ACTUALLY WHAT TYLER SAID) then would people be complaining that he didn't say it was server related? NO!!! Do you want proof? On May 02 2011 10:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Liquid showed interest, but EG chose not to accommodate us. Ah, perspective! Amazing huh? Should everyone jump on Tyler's balls for not mentioning EG's side? Should we jump on his balls for not saying it was server related as people are suggesting EG should have? NO!! We are making WAYYYYY to big of a deal over a very small detail in a conversation. Tyler clearly blew it out of proportions likely due to emotions and made a huge deal out of the lack of a few words... when really people would say "why is he making such a big deal out of it" if it was some random guy. | ||
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
People get too fucking personal with these guys without even knowing them and all of the judgmental hatred is sad to read. I don't get people sometimes. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:01 Kewlots wrote: idra really won me over in this sotg day 9 was a bit sketchy in his argument imo Don't be confused by someone who has honed his particular point with endless repetition against someone who hasn't prepared for the very same conversation. Day[9] says he doesn't believe in imbalance and he has some logical and sound reasons for that. Reasons that are true in SC2. Not all the strategies have been mapped out. Look how far pros claim PvP has come recently. Whereas it used to be 4 gate or die, now the pros are talking about how the patch is unnecessary and that 4gate isn't even that scary anymore. The strategies ARE shifting around a lot. However, IdrA has been having these conversations about particularly Zerg imbalance every day. Hell he even had a show about imbalance. It's disingenuous to say "if you can't think of a strategy for Zerg that always wins, then you're wrong and I'm right." Even saying that Terran has a lot of options early game for Zerg and it's tough for Zerg to respond doesn't fully say that Zerg is UP and has no way to break through. Asking Day[9] impromptu to just throw out a magical build order for ZvX that fixes all issues is a farce. No one could do it. Same thing would go for IdrA. He claims that an equal skilled Protoss will always beat an equal skilled Zerg. So, he should be able to name a strategy that will result in Protoss always beating Zerg. The rest of the guys on the panel could continue to name Zerg strategies that would beat it, and the process would go on and on and on. And the whole conversation would be equally pointless. You simply cannot say "I'm right by authority unless you can name something that doesn't exist at the moment." Zerg will change over time, but just because we can't forsee those changes in Zerg play doesn't mean that they don't exist, and it doesn't make it any more correct to say today that they're UP or that there is imbalance. There may be imbalance, but being incapable of bringing up an ironclad strategy does not prove it. | ||
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:04 iNcontroL wrote: and 35 threads of people talking about our debate shall commence The show was good at least o.o; | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:04 iNcontroL wrote: and 35 threads of people talking about our debate shall commence no need to debate. most people are concluding that they'd rather see transparency over some political circle jerk. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:10 banana wrote: I'm usually able to watch them about ~4 hours later when I wake up, stayed up for this one thou to help get 20k XD. They'll be on jtv / bliptv before they get put on the site thou. Sounds good, thanks. So they could have been uploaded any time within those 4 hours, right? Just that when you wake up, they're up, so 4 hours is definitely around the maximum time it would take. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:08 Azarkon wrote: Idra wants to have the tools to make perfect reads while still being able to macro as greedy as he pleases. In short, he wants map hack, except through a series of subtle signals as opposed to something as clear as day, so that "lesser players" can't take advantage of it. Day9 lost the argument because he fell into Idra's trap and tried to argue specifics with Idra. That's not the way you approach this argument. Stop. It. That is NOT what IdrA said AT ALL. He wants EQUAL scouting ability that T and P have, not "maphack". | ||
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short
Sweden148 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
A sluring idra wants to talk balance with day9, and pointing out how he has been hurt by day9 trolling the subject. Day9 trying to say "I dont agree, but don't know what to say" in about 365 ways. buuut, that was just the start. The big debate was between a flower power Tyler, wanting to go back to a time and place when the community was small and didn't involve money, and a upset incontrol (with an agenda?) ready to defend his fellow EG partners honor. One person was starting to dig and dig a hole, but never stopped. Geoff ends the discussion by a hardballer attack on all the dirt that the hole produced. On May 04 2011 15:04 iNcontroL wrote: and 35 threads of people talking about our debate shall commence How can you even think that will happen? haha.... | ||
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
Especially when other discussions he can't comment much on are off the table. | ||
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