EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 703
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venge1155
United States174 Posts
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branflakes14
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
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Swarmed
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On April 07 2011 05:02 DyEnasTy wrote: Doesnt affect my life in the slightest. At least not enough to make rage posts about it. Hey, this is the thread where you discuss the show right and give feedback or participate in whatever ongoing discussion they have going on? I'm simply doing that. If they think the best thing for the credibility of the show is to giggle at IdrA and tell him to mass infestors or to act like you can't blame MLG because so and so, then that's their problem. But in case they do actually find merit in some of what I said, I posted. In any case, as with any sort of entertainment show, the least politically correct will always draw the viewers, partly for drama but also because being all flowers and bunnies when things are plain BAD (like MLG) just feels fake / forced. As of right now this is a show that really has no competition in terms of showcasing a few top players and commentators discussing these things so they don't have to worry, but I am kinda worried -because I do in fact like all these guys- that if they are too "nice", a lot of people will lose interest. Also, part of what makes Esports exciting to watch atm is precisely that it's not yet completely corporate and standardized and that you can find goofy personalities, things that slip a little out of control, etc. I mean I know we all want to see Sc2 on TV eventually, but part of what makes this fun is precisely the things that would never happen once it went 100% mainstream. Let's enjoy them while we can? We all know in the end Day[9]'s position will be the one of every professional caster. "Let's not talk about things that cause controversy". zzzzz | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:42 Swarmed wrote: The best way to go about life is certainly not to pretend that things you don't like and/or can't do anything about don't exist. Ignoring(does not mean pretending they do not exist) things that you cannot do anything about is as good approach as it gets. Because the opposite is by definition hopeless. | ||
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Swarmed
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On April 07 2011 05:20 Talin wrote: Oh great, here we go again about how drama is good for publicity. Is there even a debate about that? | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
In the meantime, Idra is confident that his experimentation has been sufficient and nothing really works against protoss timings. They are two ways to look at the game, either way Blizzard's best response could only be time, as it is the only way to prove who is right. Either way there is no need for there to exist some grand debate on zerg imbalance, as it is near impossible to prove without more time, and the only true answer will reveal itself in time. | ||
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RoachyRoach
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Mommas Boy
Canada144 Posts
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brale
Germany11 Posts
On April 07 2011 05:26 confusedcrib wrote: Day9 is hesitant to call anything imbalanced, not because "blah blah blah his career blah blah," but because he is confident that zergs still have many things to try. In the meantime, Idra is confident that his experimentation has been sufficient and nothing really works against protoss timings. IdrA himself said that he is not a creative player and doesn't see his strength in improvising - I see a conflict there with what you're saying. I have to say though that I haven't heard IdrA say that his experiments are supposed to be sufficient. | ||
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Swarmed
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Mommas Boy
Canada144 Posts
If you havent noticed that he HAS been trying comepletely different playstyles than what he used to do than your blind. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Whether it's true or not depends on what sort of standards you hold up to, what sort of publicity you want, and what sort of following you want. Sex sells even more than drama, so going by that logic there should be a female SoTG pillar too, preferably a hot one that knows just enough about the game to be able to tease Tyler throughout each episode about him never getting his Cannon up in his natural - and stuff like that. Drama is shit. Encouraging drama and wishing for it to happen is even more shit. It bothers me when people promote principles that degrade the community. | ||
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RoachyRoach
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It reminds me of highschool when the chicks would all go for the biggest dickhead. Why? | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On April 07 2011 05:34 Swarmed wrote: It continues to amaze me how people, and especially people like Day[9], basically insinuate that professional players whose finances depend on winning games haven't "tried new things" enough. The Bisu example would be great if it wasn't for the fact that Zerg was already deemed UP in ZvT and patched to address it. You can say it's just coincidence that now there's an issue with ZvP, or you can maybe see a pattern involving Z just being shitty and having very limited options. And of course who would be crazy enough to listen to one of the most consistent pro Zerg players in Sc2 and take him seriously on the subject? LOL! These are pretty much my thoughts too. Saying pro Zerg players aren't "trying hard enough" or experimenting enough seems like it is taking a lot away from them. The non-zerg players on SotG seem to be indirectly saying that Protoss and Terran players are somehow inherently superior in the way they approach the game, and I think thats a little ridiculous. | ||
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RoachyRoach
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On April 07 2011 05:34 Swarmed wrote: It continues to amaze me how people, and especially people like Day[9], basically insinuate that professional players whose finances depend on winning games haven't "tried new things" enough. The Bisu example would be great if it wasn't for the fact that Zerg was already deemed UP in ZvT and patched to address it. You can say it's just coincidence that now there's an issue with ZvP, or you can maybe see a pattern involving Z just being shitty and having very limited options. And of course who would be crazy enough to listen to one of the most consistent pro Zerg players in Sc2 and take him seriously on the subject? LOL! If the guy makes money from winning. Why would people take his opinion. Obviously he has alternate motive for the game other than just making it fair for everyone. I really do believe SC2 would be so much less of a dramafest if everyone was forced to play random. It would truly destinguish between who is good at SC and who is not. | ||
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Swarmed
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On April 07 2011 05:41 Talin wrote: Whether it's true or not depends on what sort of standards you hold up to, what sort of publicity you want, and what sort of following you want. Sex sells even more than drama, so going by that logic there should be a female SoTG pillar too, preferably a hot one that knows just enough about the game to be able to tease Tyler throughout each episode about him never getting his Cannon up in his natural - and stuff like that. Drama is shit. Encouraging drama and wishing for it to happen is even more shit. It bothers me when people promote principles that degrade the community. Sc2 as a spectator sport is entertainment. Entertainment to thrive needs to attract viewers. When Dennis (German caster and IEM host) has a stripper perform a lapdance on a progamer at his appartment during homestory cup or w/e, I'm pretty sure that attracts a lot of viewers just for the WTF factor. For some reason, I don't see you shitting all over Dennis who has more responsibility as an organizer as much as you shit on IdrA who is just one player. edit for cliff notes: Your moral crusade is doomed to failure because a spectator sport is an entertainment product. There will be hot girls standing around, hell there already is at IEM, it's just a matter of time. The US and Europe are not Korea. | ||
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Kazang
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On April 07 2011 03:49 IdrA wrote: i said before mlg the game is broken and then at it i played hydra allins, burrow move roach rushes, hydra roach drops, ling bane, roach into ling bane drops, had multiple games with 5+ infestors running around with both neural and fungal. end game armies of ling bane infestor broodlord corruptor. and those are the things i decided were good enough to try in a tournament. i dont understand how people say commenting on balance prevents you from experimenting. youd have to be retarded to think people whos livelihood depends on winning games arent trying to figure things out. but we've been trying since the second phase of the beta and nothing fucking works. I don't understand how you can say nothing works. The only time you seem to lose is when you make a huge blunder or get caught totally off guard. When you play better than your opponent you win. I think MLG was a perfect example of this. In all the games where you outplayed your opponent you won. When you lost it was clearly your own fault or you got outplayed. Perfectly balanced? Hell no, but neither is BW. In nearly all situations how well someone plays decides the game. Is it "easier" to win as protoss, probably, but everyone can play protoss if they desire and it still takes time and (some)skill to win. Huk wouldn't win anything if he didn't play Protoss, right? Would you win anything if you didn't play Zerg? If the game has been "broken" for this long it's quite clear that blizzard doesn't share your opinion and some miracle patch is not incoming. So that begs the question why do you still play Zerg if you think it is that broken? I fear you're waiting for something that is never going happen. I wish you would "cut your losses" so to speak and just switch races if you think the imbalance is so great. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
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