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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:20 Swarmed wrote: @whoever brings up July, he's had a few successes lately that is true, however, IdrA is definitely one of the most CONSISTENT Zerg players in Sc2 so far. Along with Dimaga etc. And they have definitely all brought up balance concerns. I mean it's like people bringing up Fruitdealer. Any notable performance lately? Not really. July started serious SC2 a lot later than Idra, and he qualified from code A on his first try, proceeding to go to finals in code S in a very consistent form, and then beating 4 foreigners in KR vs World. I can't tell for certain, of course, but I'd expect him to be a frequent visitor of at least Ro8 Code S every season, unless he gets poorly matched earlier (say, against Losira or nestea, since July's ZvZ is so lacking) I think July's style is pretty solid, despite how unorthodox it might be, that's because when July plays aggressive he usually isn't really all inning, he always has a solid follow up. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:32 mordk wrote: July started serious SC2 a lot later than Idra, and he qualified from code A on his first try, proceeding to go to finals in code S in a very consistent form, and then beating 4 foreigners in KR vs World. I can't tell for certain, of course, but I'd expect him to be a frequent visitor of at least Ro8 Code S every season, unless he gets poorly matched earlier (say, against Losira or nestea, since July's ZvZ is so lacking) I think July's style is pretty solid, despite how unorthodox it might be, that's because when July plays aggressive he usually isn't really all inning, he always has a solid follow up. Actually the first time he tried to get into GSL he didn't make it. So unless you mean the first time he managed to get into GSL he got into Code A? | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
So if balance=esports surviving and esports=day9 making a living then Day9 REALLY wants it to appear balanced, even if it's not. Flame suit on! | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:33 Numy wrote: Actually the first time he tried to get into GSL he didn't make it. So unless you mean the first time he managed to get into GSL he got into Code A? Sure, whatever, the point still holds. | ||
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brale
Germany11 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:20 Swarmed wrote: @whoever brings up July, he's had a few successes lately that is true, however, IdrA is definitely one of the most CONSISTENT Zerg players in Sc2 so far. Along with Dimaga etc. And they have definitely all brought up balance concerns. I mean it's like people bringing up Fruitdealer. Any notable performance lately? Not really. You are probably the person who knows how much time and effort Cool puts into SC2 at the moment. LOL. | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:32 mordk wrote: July started serious SC2 a lot later than Idra, and he qualified from code A on his first try, proceeding to go to finals in code S in a very consistent form, and then beating 4 foreigners in KR vs World. I can't tell for certain, of course, but I'd expect him to be a frequent visitor of at least Ro8 Code S every season, unless he gets poorly matched earlier (say, against Losira or nestea, since July's ZvZ is so lacking) I think July's style is pretty solid, despite how unorthodox it might be, that's because when July plays aggressive he usually isn't really all inning, he always has a solid follow up. July has played 3000+ ladder matches and had been playing before the first GSL. He failed to qualify into GSL2. He probably started playing after the release, but didn't play beta. | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
Idra: playing zerg is frustrating, and I think that it is really hard to win in the late game and early game Day9: Not enough options as zerg have been tried yet to determine that the race is being played correctly and really say that it is broken. Is it possible that both could be right!? That in the current game state Zerg is really hard to win tournaments with, but there are many options that need to be explored before changes are made?! :O | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:36 syllogism wrote: July has played 3000+ ladder matches and had been playing before the first GSL. He failed to qualify into GSL2. I insist, "serious" is not the same as "playing", plus Idra's been playing hardcore and competing in tournament all the way since beta, it's still a much longer career. That's still not the point, the point is that July has only recently climbed to the top and is now dedicated to SC2, so we cannot say if his style will bring consistency or not. I believe it will, because it shows solidity and adaptability, but we'll see. | ||
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Swarmed
59 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:35 fush wrote: for all the guys hating on how day9 approaches balance, go listen to the end of year cast - that's episode 24. skip to 2:23:45, and listen to what geoff and tyler have to say on balance whine. it is a golden piece of advice for sc2 and life in general. The best way to go about life is certainly not to pretend that things you don't like and/or can't do anything about don't exist. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:42 Swarmed wrote: The best way to go about life is certainly not to pretend that things you don't like and/or can't do anything about don't exist. Best way to go about is is to still do your best and try to improve and be the best (person) that you can be with whatever was given to you. That's for SC2 and life. And Idra is not doing that at all. Btw: It was the first time ever that i found Day9 annoying. I don't know if he tried too hard to be funny or what it was, but he just came over like someone desperately trying to get attention and laughter of the audience in this one and it was just so annoying... | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:40 mordk wrote: I insist, "serious" is not the same as "playing", plus Idra's been playing hardcore and competing in tournament all the way since beta, it's still a much longer career. That's still not the point, the point is that July has only recently climbed to the top and is now dedicated to SC2, so we cannot say if his style will bring consistency or not. I believe it will, because it shows solidity and adaptability, but we'll see. julys been playing seriously since the beta | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:40 mordk wrote: I insist, "serious" is not the same as "playing", plus Idra's been playing hardcore and competing in tournament all the way since beta, it's still a much longer career. That's still not the point, the point is that July has only recently climbed to the top and is now dedicated to SC2, so we cannot say if his style will bring consistency or not. I believe it will, because it shows solidity and adaptability, but we'll see. Well you've no evidence to offer regarding when he started playing seriously. Startale formed in mid-September and he joined immediately and lived at their prohouse. He did start later than idra, sure. e: according to TL wiki he also didn't qualify for GSL 1, though I'm not sure if that's accurate as I recall gsl 2 being his first attempt | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:19 Uhnno wrote: Talking balance as a whole is quite irrelevant. For one because it promotes flaming and whining. Second they can't do much about it. And if unless all alternatives are actually being explored, it's moot to go deep into that issue. Players have to play with the cards that are dealt. I for one don't think all options are actually being tested in ZvP. But if IdrA gives up and thinks the MU is unwinnable, new radical strategies won't be discovered. i said before mlg the game is broken and then at it i played hydra allins, burrow move roach rushes, hydra roach drops, ling bane, roach into ling bane drops, had multiple games with 5+ infestors running around with both neural and fungal. end game armies of ling bane infestor broodlord corruptor. and those are the things i decided were good enough to try in a tournament. i dont understand how people say commenting on balance prevents you from experimenting. youd have to be retarded to think people whos livelihood depends on winning games arent trying to figure things out. but we've been trying since the second phase of the beta and nothing fucking works. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:20 Swarmed wrote: @whoever brings up July, he's had a few successes lately that is true, however, IdrA is definitely one of the most CONSISTENT Zerg players in Sc2 so far. Along with Dimaga etc. And they have definitely all brought up balance concerns. I mean it's like people bringing up Fruitdealer. Any notable performance lately? Not really. -Qualifies for GSL 3, reaches the rounds of 8, qualifies for Code A next season -Reaches the rounds of 8 in code A, qualifies for Code S -Gsl5, reaches the final beating a NaDa,Clide and MvP on his way -Saved Team Korea from a disaster, taking out Huk, Jinro, White Ra -Played Brilliantly against NaDa, and lost to MvP, the probable winner of GsLWC Really inconsistent this July. | ||
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Treehead
999 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:34 Alderan wrote: Has anyone brought up the fact that Day[9]'s immediate future rides on this game bearing the perception as balanced. The fans of any RTS that is not BW know first hand that for a game to be really really successful it HAS to be balanced, or at least perceived as balanced. So if balance=esports surviving and esports=day9 making a living then Day9 REALLY wants it to appear balanced, even if it's not. Flame suit on! The progamers' immediate future dies if SC2 dies as an e-sport also. This doesn't seem to stop Idra. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:49 HowSoOnIsNow wrote: -Qualifies for GSL 3, reaches the rounds of 8, qualifies for Code A next season -Reaches the rounds of 8 in code A, qualifies for Code S -Gsl5, reaches the final beating a NaDa,Clide and MvP on his way -Saved Team Korea from a disaster, taking out Huk, Jinro, White Ra -Played Brilliantly against NaDa, and lost to MvP, the probable winner of GsLWC Really inconsistent this July. If you want to "quote" results at least leave your bias out of it. I don't really understand the point of this arguing those. Idra is extremely consistent and has been around for a long time. July has been up and down but is doing way better this year than last. I don't see how you can possibly make any arguments based on these things. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On April 07 2011 03:52 Numy wrote: If you want to "quote" results at least leave your bias out of it. I don't really understand the point of this arguing those. Idra is extremely consistent and has been around for a long time. July has been up and down but is doing way better this year than last. I don't see how you can possibly make any arguments based on these things. Oh don't worry, I'm not defending Zergs. I'm just defending July's performances in general. The fact that there's no long range unit in tier 1 really doesn't help zergs, and i just hope that in HOTS it will be fixed. All we can do right now is to find solutions, I'm not really sure that with a patch anything will be resolved. Zerg feels broken sometime, but we got to do what we got to do and try to find solutions i guess. Are there units we aren't using to their full potential? Maybe. Does Zerg use injection in a way that is a detrimental? I don't know. Maybe there,s something to be done about Zerg' sim city. Overseer corruption timings maybe? There's nothing else to do but to try different avenues. What you want to do? Switch to Protoss? We can't do that, we got to put some pride back in the Swarm! | ||
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