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You know, I haven't watched the whole SotG yet, but if you're that dissatisfied with casters, I have to say: Get into casting yourself, do better, and then we can enjoy higher quality. Just complaining about the casting doesn't fix things.
If you want casters that understand high-level play and preferably have some experience in that themselves, then you should be casting games.
As it is, it reminds me of players ranting about imbalanced units instead of coming up with new strategies.
If you know someone who would do a better job and has the time to do it, that's fine, but just complaining about it? I don't see how that helps in any way.
Well, I'm going to watch the rest of SotG now, so maybe I'll change my mind based on that, but it's what I've been thinking so far.
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Relatively short talk about tb, don't see what the fuss about. Idra called him out pretty hard though rofl, but that's idra for you.
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On February 17 2011 01:47 KevinIX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 01:40 RevRich wrote:If TB was just some guy who made a few videos I would say hes being overly defensive. On the other hand, casting and making gaming content IS HIS LIVELIHOOD. When you start making comments to the masses about his plans for not continuing said content (without proper sources), you're potentially taking money out of his pocket. Imagine for a moment if day[9] went on his stream and mentioned that iNcontroL was an arrogant jerk, a really shitty coach, and will no longer be coaching people ever again! Do you think, maybe, incontrol would freak the fuck out on day9 and dispute such comments? Yes, he would. iNcontroL has shown that he isn't the biggest fan of casters because they make a lot of money for what seems to be easy work. (He has shown this sentiment in other casting related threads). This may have something to do with his being quick to tear into TB. See that word "may" there? Its great to differentiate speculation from fact isn't it?!  TB is in the right here. The timing of his tweets in relation to the assembly casting mishap does. however, open the door for speculation on his tendency to be overly defensive and/or spiteful about that situation. That doesn't give anyone the right to lie about someone, especially when it could potentially hurt that person's career. Call TB a whiney person, but dont try to pass off comments about his future in casting as facts. This. And also, I'd like to see TotalBiscuit on the next SotG and get things cleared up.
TB on SotG would ruin the podcast in so many ways
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On February 17 2011 02:04 Dust14 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 01:47 KevinIX wrote:On February 17 2011 01:40 RevRich wrote:If TB was just some guy who made a few videos I would say hes being overly defensive. On the other hand, casting and making gaming content IS HIS LIVELIHOOD. When you start making comments to the masses about his plans for not continuing said content (without proper sources), you're potentially taking money out of his pocket. Imagine for a moment if day[9] went on his stream and mentioned that iNcontroL was an arrogant jerk, a really shitty coach, and will no longer be coaching people ever again! Do you think, maybe, incontrol would freak the fuck out on day9 and dispute such comments? Yes, he would. iNcontroL has shown that he isn't the biggest fan of casters because they make a lot of money for what seems to be easy work. (He has shown this sentiment in other casting related threads). This may have something to do with his being quick to tear into TB. See that word "may" there? Its great to differentiate speculation from fact isn't it?! TB is in the right here. The timing of his tweets in relation to the assembly casting mishap does. however, open the door for speculation on his tendency to be overly defensive and/or spiteful about that situation. That doesn't give anyone the right to lie about someone, especially when it could potentially hurt that person's career. Call TB a whiney person, but dont try to pass off comments about his future in casting as facts. This. And also, I'd like to see TotalBiscuit on the next SotG and get things cleared up. TB on SotG would ruin the podcast in so many ways
Care to explain in which ways?
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On February 17 2011 01:56 Gudeldar wrote:
TotalBiscuit I think you're awesome and based on the information you've provided it sounds like they were wrong to criticize you like they did, but you really really need to develop a thicker skin. You can't take it super personally every time someone criticizes you, even if it they are relatively "famous" people in the SC2 community.
As someone pointed out before, this isn't a case of criticism, it's part of my livelihood on the line. It's justifiable to take it personally on that basis.
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On February 17 2011 01:52 Pankaks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 01:49 Angelbelow wrote:
still having a lot of trouble downloading the podcast... Video format, but it loads much faster. http://itmejp.blip.tv/
cool thanks.
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So much hate on morrow... Dear God.
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Honestly I'm getting the impression that a lot of the people commenting here didn't even listen to the damn show.
I don't understand why inc is the one being targeted. I don't like pointing fingers but the blame really lies with JP here. inc admitted that he knew nothing about what had happened, JP was the one who told him that TB was "taking a step back from SC2 casting" and gave a rough outline of what he believed had happened.
When it came to inc's attention that the information given to him may not have been correct he immediately posted in this thread in an attempt to clear things up.
On February 16 2011 14:48 iNcontroL wrote:
I shouldn't have commented after only going off of what JP said. I was wrong to do that.
I'd be interested to hear what happened from TB's side of things. Publicly saying you will "step back" from SC2 as some kind of punishment is an interesting statement to make (assuming he did).
This post was made while the show was still ongoing. In other words inc made every effort to fix things as quickly as possible.
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Download fucking quicktime and you won't have trouble viewing this.
At least that's what fixed it for me.
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To be fair JP stated he wasn't sure of what actually occurred and was merely going off what he had heard. He made it obvious/evident that he wasn't certain of the facts, what they discussed revolved around this misunderstanding with the hosts aware they may not have the full facts/be discussing what actually happened.
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On February 17 2011 02:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 01:56 Gudeldar wrote:
TotalBiscuit I think you're awesome and based on the information you've provided it sounds like they were wrong to criticize you like they did, but you really really need to develop a thicker skin. You can't take it super personally every time someone criticizes you, even if it they are relatively "famous" people in the SC2 community. As someone pointed out before, this isn't a case of criticism, it's part of my livelihood on the line. It's justifiable to take it personally on that basis.
TB i did not realize you didn't know IncontroL had apologized and had i known that i probably wouldn't of said half the things i did. From my point of view i thought you came in attacking them after knowing that incontrol had apologized, which is what lead to some of the things i said. Others are just my own personal opinion of you handling some things wrong which i obviously voiced.
So for what its worth I'm sorry i kind of forgot that his apology was buried by 15 pages of "nice episodes YAY + drama".
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On February 17 2011 02:33 Phenny wrote:
To be fair JP stated he wasn't sure of what actually occurred and was merely going off what he had heard. He made it obvious/evident that he wasn't certain of the facts, what they discussed revolved around this misunderstanding with the hosts aware they may not have the full facts/be discussing what actually happened.
No you see they were "lying about [TB] through their backteeth in front of a live audience"
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On February 17 2011 02:33 Phenny wrote:
To be fair JP stated he wasn't sure of what actually occurred and was merely going off what he had heard. He made it obvious/evident that he wasn't certain of the facts, what they discussed revolved around this misunderstanding with the hosts aware they may not have the full facts/be discussing what actually happened.
Which is reason enough to not discuss it or at least not to the extent that they did.
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On February 17 2011 02:40 LtOin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 02:33 Phenny wrote:
To be fair JP stated he wasn't sure of what actually occurred and was merely going off what he had heard. He made it obvious/evident that he wasn't certain of the facts, what they discussed revolved around this misunderstanding with the hosts aware they may not have the full facts/be discussing what actually happened. Which is reason enough to not discuss it or at least not to the extent that they did.
Or at least to refrain from an encore-shitfest after learning that their information was apparently wrong.
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On February 16 2011 22:23 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2011 21:51 coddan wrote:On February 16 2011 21:44 Dystisis wrote:On February 16 2011 21:26 m0ck wrote:
Listening to the show now, that's a lot of trashy talk about morrow, a player so much more accomplished than everyone besides Idra in SC2 on the cast. I guess it's the role of the 'pundits' to have strong opinions, but Jebus it's a lot of judging so far. Players, matchups, casters.. Negativity is easy! Maybe correct that Morrow is as accomplished as Nony and Incontrol in SC2 and BW, but to say that he is much more accomplished simply is not true. Well, Morrow has won a couple of tournaments, including a major LAN, placed second in another major LAN and has a couple more top 3 placements. What does Incontrol och Tyler have to show? Incontrol and Tyler. And. Swedes. No wonder you come rushing to the aid of Morrow. I never said that Morrow is worse or less accomplished than Tyler or Incontrol. By accomplished I spoke in a general sense, that of a pro-gamer in general when it comes to SC2 and BW. What I implied is that they (all three) are comparable; both in terms of playing ability and overall scene recognition and accomplishments. Honestly, if you disagree with that statement you need to stop fixating so much on players from your own country as I don't know any other reason you'd disagree. Sure, Morrow has won and placed well in tournaments, and sure neither Tyler nor Incontrol has won a major lan-tournament for SC2 yet, but they have a list of other accomplishments too long to go through in this post. Just an example that comes to my mind is Tyler winning a bo7 vs Idra where he lost a single game, and they have both participated in and placed well in a myriad of lans and online tournaments.
So now that you have no arguments you're going to attack me becaus I'm Swedish? I have no special feelings for Morrow. Fact is, he has accomplished several things in SC2 while Incontrol and Tyler have not. A single showmatch win is not much of an accomplishment, believe it or not, and why you're bringing BW up I have no idea. That was never the discussion.
Feel free to list these "accomplishments" that are too many to go through. They don't exist.
Look at their TLPD pages.
Morrow: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1212_MorroW
Tyler: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/678_Tyler
Incontrol: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1139_iNcontroL/main
Morrow has won 12 tournaments and one showmatch. He has placed second in 11 tournaments.
Tyler has won 2 showmatches. 0 silvers and 0 bronze.
Incontrol has won nothing.
You are the one who's blinded by Tyler and Incontrol being better known figured in the community.
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The whole TB vs Inc has blown out of proportions. I'm sure nobody wanted it to go this far because I feel it really started from nothing too serious.
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I think this is why they say their thread is terrible. Too much arguing over little shit.
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It wouldn't be SOTG without ten pages of whiny bullshit after every episode, it's part of the entertainment.
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On February 17 2011 02:59 thee telescopes wrote:
It wouldn't be SOTG without ten pages of whiny bullshit after every episode, it's part of the entertainment.
QFT
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