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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2010 02:42 GMT
#6821
Is there going to be another episode tonight for the GSL results or is everyone too busy playing WoW Cataclysm?
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 08 2010 02:43 GMT
#6822
On December 08 2010 11:42 Zzoram wrote:
Is there going to be another episode tonight for the GSL results or is everyone too busy playing WoW Cataclysm?


I think JP is too busy.
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2010 02:47 GMT
#6823
Well I certainly hope they do one next week then, before the GSL finals.
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
December 08 2010 04:26 GMT
#6824
Awesomesause @ Day9 for plugging Zelniq, the guy deserves way more credit than he gets!

/worship Zelniq
yoober
Profile Joined May 2010
United States26 Posts
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#6825
Regardless if I agree or disagree with InControl, he definitely is one of the main reasons SOTG is fun to listen to. Go incontrol!
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
December 08 2010 04:54 GMT
#6826
I love iNcontroL and the other 4 pillars of Starcraft but would it be considered in getting a full-time Terran influence on the show maybe Jinro perhaps after GSL(been a huge fan of his play since Day9 Daily #130 back in the beta). Painuser was great IMO although his debating skills weren't as great as the others but that's something that can be learned. I really love the show but normally it feels like a Terran hate-fest or at least Terran's issues never get discussed as the show usually features Protoss and Zerg players and day9 despite being random player usually seems to prefer P and Z.
Cake or Death?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2010 04:55 GMT
#6827
PainUser was nice because he knew details about the units in the game like HP/dmg/types.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 08 2010 04:58 GMT
#6828
On December 08 2010 13:55 Zzoram wrote:
PainUser was nice because he knew details about the units in the game like HP/dmg/types.

DT has more damage than flying ranged DT (banshees)

Therefor DT are the superior harass unit.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2010 05:01 GMT
#6829
On December 08 2010 13:58 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:55 Zzoram wrote:
PainUser was nice because he knew details about the units in the game like HP/dmg/types.

DT has more damage than flying ranged DT (banshees)

Therefor DT are the superior harass unit.


DTs aren't better harass units but they're better map control units.
blitzkrieger
Profile Joined September 2010
United States512 Posts
December 08 2010 05:13 GMT
#6830
On December 08 2010 13:54 Raiznhell wrote:
I love iNcontroL and the other 4 pillars of Starcraft but would it be considered in getting a full-time Terran influence on the show maybe Jinro perhaps after GSL(been a huge fan of his play since Day9 Daily #130 back in the beta). Painuser was great IMO although his debating skills weren't as great as the others but that's something that can be learned. I really love the show but normally it feels like a Terran hate-fest or at least Terran's issues never get discussed as the show usually features Protoss and Zerg players and day9 despite being random player usually seems to prefer P and Z.


Terrans dont have issues. In Korea Terrans apologize for playing the race because of marine rushes. And PvT is stupid because of Terran being too strong. The only issues with Terran is that they are too strong esp early game vs Z and P.
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
December 08 2010 05:16 GMT
#6831
On December 08 2010 09:26 IdrA wrote:
believe it or not friends can call each other idiots without it being the end of the world.


I think this is the most important part of that post. People need to realize that they are basically listening to an organized version of a conversation being had by very close friends who also happen to be top players in the world :p. We all joke around with our friends and call them any/all of the offensive things that iNcontroL or any of the other casters call each other on the show, so why should it be different with them?

What makes SotG so great (other then the entertainment factor of course haha) is that we get to hear the uncut version of what these amazing players actually think and why they think that. There is nowhere else you can really get that, not even the Day[9] daily really since it is only him (by no means does that discredit Day[9], the daily is amazing and he is also hugely important to SotG!).

The SC2 community as a whole needs to be less critical and more respectful of everyone, especially people like those on SotG. The are doing us all a great service by having the show every week for free, and rather than harping on them about anything and everything we should just listen to what they have to say and appreciate what they do for us.
GriNn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 05:17:34
December 08 2010 05:17 GMT
#6832
On December 08 2010 14:13 blitzkrieger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:54 Raiznhell wrote:
I love iNcontroL and the other 4 pillars of Starcraft but would it be considered in getting a full-time Terran influence on the show maybe Jinro perhaps after GSL(been a huge fan of his play since Day9 Daily #130 back in the beta). Painuser was great IMO although his debating skills weren't as great as the others but that's something that can be learned. I really love the show but normally it feels like a Terran hate-fest or at least Terran's issues never get discussed as the show usually features Protoss and Zerg players and day9 despite being random player usually seems to prefer P and Z.


Terrans dont have issues. In Korea Terrans apologize for playing the race because of marine rushes. And PvT is stupid because of Terran being too strong. The only issues with Terran is that they are too strong esp early game vs Z and P.


lol.
Liquid`Tyler: I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok.
blitzkrieger
Profile Joined September 2010
United States512 Posts
December 08 2010 05:19 GMT
#6833
On December 08 2010 13:58 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:55 Zzoram wrote:
PainUser was nice because he knew details about the units in the game like HP/dmg/types.

DT has more damage than flying ranged DT (banshees)

Therefor DT are the superior harass unit.


I'm assuming this is sarcasm. Banshees are infinitely better than DTs since they

1) Can be part of an army
2) Force detection regardless of cloak
3) Force one tech (robo) from Protoss
4) Fly
5) Protoss is weak to air
6) Cheaper
7) Tech is easily accessible
8) Tech is faster
9) There is less of a gamble/all-in
10) Kill workers faster than DTs
11) Ranged
12) Decelerate slowly so they can scoot shoot
13) Workers cant run from them nearly as easily.
14) Detection doesn't render them useless

Theres probably more...
blitzkrieger
Profile Joined September 2010
United States512 Posts
December 08 2010 05:20 GMT
#6834
On December 08 2010 14:17 grinTOR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 14:13 blitzkrieger wrote:
On December 08 2010 13:54 Raiznhell wrote:
I love iNcontroL and the other 4 pillars of Starcraft but would it be considered in getting a full-time Terran influence on the show maybe Jinro perhaps after GSL(been a huge fan of his play since Day9 Daily #130 back in the beta). Painuser was great IMO although his debating skills weren't as great as the others but that's something that can be learned. I really love the show but normally it feels like a Terran hate-fest or at least Terran's issues never get discussed as the show usually features Protoss and Zerg players and day9 despite being random player usually seems to prefer P and Z.


Terrans dont have issues. In Korea Terrans apologize for playing the race because of marine rushes. And PvT is stupid because of Terran being too strong. The only issues with Terran is that they are too strong esp early game vs Z and P.


lol.


lol.
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 08 2010 05:30 GMT
#6835
On December 08 2010 14:16 ApBuLLet wrote:
We all joke around with our friends and call them any/all of the offensive things that iNcontroL or any of the other casters call each other on the show, so why should it be different with them?


Hell I call my friends way worse things than what's been said on sotg before. IdrA's right though, it's not like they're all going to go away in a huff about being called an idiot. Some people just take shit too seriously, and ironically it's not the ones being called idiots.
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SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 06:26:15
December 08 2010 06:21 GMT
#6836
incontrol did have a good point that both idra and artosis could not come up with 1 replay of them having to use infestors

although I think the infestors actually act kinda like a repellent to where the protoss isnt allowed to get a huge mass of air units because they know what will come of it


Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 02:38 Wrongspeedy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2010 01:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 00:33 ZerOfy wrote:
On December 07 2010 22:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On December 07 2010 10:49 LagT_T wrote:
Didn't like this last cast as much as the previous ones, too much theorycrafting.

i agree but it's what happens when people want to hear from top players about a patch they haven't played


Where were you??! Incontrol got ganged up on.

i agreed with most of what idra and artosis were saying about the balance changes on the PTR.

it's nice to have representation from different races for the discussions but it's not always for debating against each other with opposing opinions... more often it's just for different perspectives. i very often agree with artosis and idra but i'll have different reasons or a different experience that formed that opinion. and that's the strength of having guests on the show

in fact i'd say that unless you've seen some posts or tweets or something indicating that there are some strong opinions in opposition to each other, you'd be better off assuming that we're not going to debate, but rather just discuss and try to describe the state of the game!



I really wish you had been on that one Tyler. I think iNcontrol may have felt a little ganged up on and I think when he did, he stopped making any reasonable arguments or points. I feel like there were some points to be made that he didn't get out, and that may have made him sound like an angry kid to some people.

I'm a little tired of Dan and Idra insisting that zerg takes the most apm to use effectively, and while I wouldn't debate either of them on it (they know wayyyy more than me). They are just different. Yeah you have to inject your hatches (you don't even have to look at your base), yeah you need to spread creep well, and yeah you have to micro your units. Every race has apm sinks, like, having to look away from battle almost every time you wanna make units, or having to look in your base anytime you wanna chrono something (can be done from the minimap, but anything other than the nexus takes a lot of practice). I just don't think they should be compared, because when it comes to pure #'s they just can't be.

I really liked this state of the game though, probably because of the patch . Spiced it up a notch. Now I just need to find the last bit, cause for some reason I don't think the end of it made it onto my zune -_-.

Also do Pro's like to participate in the PTR? Or do you just see it as a waste of your training time? I could see it being not that helpful, maybe even detrimental to your play (depending on the proposed changes).



I don't think incontrol felt THAT ganged up on by artosis and idra but he was kinda hurt that a large enough part of the chat was STFUing him and being assholes and such
marineking will u huk my bigtt1 ilu
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 08 2010 06:55 GMT
#6837
On December 08 2010 15:21 SlapMySalami wrote:


I don't think incontrol felt THAT ganged up on by artosis and idra but he was kinda hurt that a large enough part of the chat was STFUing him and being assholes and such


I think there's this weird phenomenon on the internet, where people hear Artosis and InControl call each other idiots, and think that gives them permission to talk smack and call InControl or JP or whoever -- basically people they don't know -- whatever they want.

Um, I'm sure everyone on SOTG are nice guys and fine hosts, but they are not our buds. If a random guy off the street came up to me and said "HEY FUCKER!" I would probably give them the worst stink-eye ever.
Absolutionn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
December 08 2010 07:05 GMT
#6838
On December 08 2010 14:19 blitzkrieger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:58 Fa1nT wrote:
On December 08 2010 13:55 Zzoram wrote:
PainUser was nice because he knew details about the units in the game like HP/dmg/types.

DT has more damage than flying ranged DT (banshees)

Therefor DT are the superior harass unit.


I'm assuming this is sarcasm. Banshees are infinitely better than DTs since they

1) Can be part of an army
2) Force detection regardless of cloak
3) Force one tech (robo) from Protoss
4) Fly
5) Protoss is weak to air
6) Cheaper
7) Tech is easily accessible
8) Tech is faster
9) There is less of a gamble/all-in
10) Kill workers faster than DTs
11) Ranged
12) Decelerate slowly so they can scoot shoot
13) Workers cant run from them nearly as easily.
14) Detection doesn't render them useless

Theres probably more...

This is probably a topic best suited for another thread, just like extended.....(no jk i wont bring it up lol).
Jinro | Idra | Qxc | Select
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
December 08 2010 07:08 GMT
#6839
On December 08 2010 15:55 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 15:21 SlapMySalami wrote:


I don't think incontrol felt THAT ganged up on by artosis and idra but he was kinda hurt that a large enough part of the chat was STFUing him and being assholes and such


I think there's this weird phenomenon on the internet, where people hear Artosis and InControl call each other idiots, and think that gives them permission to talk smack and call InControl or JP or whoever -- basically people they don't know -- whatever they want.

Um, I'm sure everyone on SOTG are nice guys and fine hosts, but they are not our buds. If a random guy off the street came up to me and said "HEY FUCKER!" I would probably give them the worst stink-eye ever.


I don't think it's Artosis and InControl calling each other idiots that does it.

You look at real sports, the athletes always say what great fans they have, the most knowledgeable fans in the world, blah blah jerk the people who support them off a bit. The e-sports guys go on the cast and say that their fans don't know what the hell they're talking about, they try to avoid reading anything they say, and so on.

Now some people are going to appreciate their honesty, but others are going to react to it as "well if you don't care what I have to say you wont care when I call you the biggest douchebag in the world!"
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 08 2010 07:09 GMT
#6840
On December 08 2010 14:19 blitzkrieger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:58 Fa1nT wrote:
On December 08 2010 13:55 Zzoram wrote:
PainUser was nice because he knew details about the units in the game like HP/dmg/types.

DT has more damage than flying ranged DT (banshees)

Therefor DT are the superior harass unit.


I'm assuming this is sarcasm. Banshees are infinitely better than DTs since they

1) Can be part of an army
2) Force detection regardless of cloak
3) Force one tech (robo) from Protoss
4) Fly
5) Protoss is weak to air
6) Cheaper
7) Tech is easily accessible
8) Tech is faster
9) There is less of a gamble/all-in
10) Kill workers faster than DTs
11) Ranged
12) Decelerate slowly so they can scoot shoot
13) Workers cant run from them nearly as easily.
14) Detection doesn't render them useless

Theres probably more...


Hate to burst your bubble but number 10 is wrong, DTs actually kill workers faster =/
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