EPTOn June 22 2012 18:39 Eazyz wrote:
I can't believe you get baited into this shit incontrol.
I can't believe you get baited into this shit incontrol.
Baited? Incontrol basically started it himself by calling everyone idiots and whiny bitches.
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Recognizable
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Baited? Incontrol basically started it himself by calling everyone idiots and whiny bitches. | ||
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Eazyz
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On June 22 2012 18:42 Recognizable wrote: Baited? Incontrol basically started it himself by calling everyone idiots and whiny bitches. Because? | ||
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Kerm
France467 Posts
On June 22 2012 18:42 Recognizable wrote: Baited? Incontrol basically started it himself by calling everyone idiots and whiny bitches. Yeah it's more like Inc baited everyone ^^ | ||
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Kerm
France467 Posts
On June 22 2012 18:40 Thrombozyt wrote: OK. So I'm a whiney bitch because I don't look at games that were clearly decided by key blunders (Leenock) or where the Zerg chose a sub-par strategy over and over again (suhoshin) in order to improve my game against the problem build. But I guess you as manly man improved your defense against 1-1-1 by studying the crap out of games where protoss won because the terran forgot siegemode (key blunder) or where the terran played 1rax expand (not the build you have problems against). Based on this I guess you tried to convince Idra that Zergs can beat Protoss based on the Naniwa-probe-rush-game. I have no clue why you react so hysterical, incontrol. I have just listed what bugged me about the recent episode. I have not demanded a change nor expected anything else from you. You can go on doing what you do, fine. I have just highlighted, that I as a listener will probably be less and less part of your audience due to the existing trends. Btw: You really still think TvZ was at 60% winrate pre-patch? Imho you're a whiney bitch because you could write a strategy topic presenting an analysis of those GSL games you saw, show the BO the Terrans used and explaining why they should have lost but were saved by "key blunder" or "build order win", what you think could be changed to those BO to be more efficient, etc.. You know, contributing, helping other fellow Terrans. Instead you choose to come here and answer Incontrol obvious trolling, following SoTG obvious trollling from last episode. That's the problem, choosing to do nothing but complaining, and letting other figure stuff out and contribute. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On June 22 2012 18:10 Roarer wrote: All the replies in these do not prove anything but there are whiney Terran players, just like there are whiney zerg players and whiney protoss players. I can understand what you said in the show, but what you said here is just too biased. If you truly think that this is the proper reply to whiny people, maybe you should tell Idra the same thing whenever he complain about Protoss and Terran being silly : "can't man the fuck up and just play the damn game. " Difference is that Idra as a pro player is actually affected by game balance. Pretty much every1 in this topic is not. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On June 22 2012 19:17 Technique wrote: Difference is that Idra as a pro player is actually affected by game balance. Pretty much every1 in this topic is not. That's ignoring that IdrA does play the damn game. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On June 22 2012 19:11 Kerm wrote: Imho you're a whiney bitch because you could write a strategy topic presenting an analysis of those GSL games you saw, show the BO the Terrans used and explaining why they should have lost but were saved by "key blunder" or "build order win", what you think could be changed to those BO to be more efficient, etc.. You know, contributing, helping other fellow Terrans. Instead you choose to come here and answer Incontrol obvious trolling, following SoTG obvious trollling from last episode. That's the problem, choosing to do nothing but complaining, and letting other figure stuff out and contribute. You Sir seem to have problems reading. I explicitly state that I have not watched two of the groups where Terrans beat Zergs. I can only relate to the games I saw. None of those games featured the problems stated by Terran - the inability to pressure a Zerg that quickly saturates 3 bases off multiple queens - simply because the games I cited did not contain the build in question. In addition, Leenock made the blunders. Check the vods. You seem him walk infestors past the terran army in transit somewhere else and lose the vast majority of his key casters - twice! You just cannot ignore it if something like that happens. It's the same as a terran leaving his depots down and allowing a ling runby kill half his SCVs. Such things happen. They happen to both sides. But if they happen, the victory doesn't mean that the build chosen by the winner is superior. I'll defenitly check out the games by sting who won the latest TSL qualifier. I just pointed out that GSL, the only tourney where TvZ winrate isn't down the drain is mainly through the actions of two players that played massively below the standard greatly skewing the winrate in the GSL. That's why the GSL winrate is tricky due to the small sample size. | ||
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Shkudde
Netherlands709 Posts
On June 22 2012 19:41 Batch wrote: Bring in MorroW to kill all TvZ balance speculations. Holy crap, that's actually the ultimate solution! I bow to your wisdom! | ||
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S_SienZ
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On June 22 2012 19:17 Technique wrote: Difference is that Idra as a pro player is actually affected by game balance. Pretty much every1 in this topic is not. I wish people would stop spouting inaccurate bullshit like this. Game balance, by definition, affects everyone who plays the game. Yes, pro players have a much higher stake than casuals. Yes, apart from the highest levels of play there can always be improvement on the player's end to offset said balance problems, but in NO way is a group of players magically affected by balance problems when others playing the exact same game are not. | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
On June 22 2012 18:14 iNcontroL wrote: lol SEE look at his race icon ahah you know your icon is zerg... | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On June 22 2012 19:56 S_SienZ wrote: I wish people would stop spouting inaccurate bullshit like this. Game balance, by definition, affects everyone who plays the game. Yes, pro players have a much higher stake than casuals. Yes, apart from the highest levels of play there can always be improvement on the player's end to offset said balance problems, but in NO way is a group of players magically affected by balance problems when others playing the exact same game are not. The point is that even if Blizzard buffs one race a lot it won't help most players because they are just straight up bad at the game. Tons of noobs complain that storm is overpowered. There is no way blizzard can "balance" storm for these players short of just removing it from the game or making it do 5 damage. Storm being overpowered isn't the reason it causes them problems, it's that they are playing badly. The effect of balance on your play is far overshadowed by mistakes in your micro, macro, build order, unit management, and positioning. Once you achieve code S level skill at those aspects of the game then you can whine about balance. | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
On June 22 2012 20:01 iNcontroL wrote: Yup. You realize everyone crying about sotg has Terran icons? That was my point... Well I guess that was a good joke then ^^ | ||
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S_SienZ
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On June 22 2012 20:04 SnipedSoul wrote: The point is that even if Blizzard buffs one race a lot it won't help most players because they are just straight up bad at the game. Tons of noobs complain that storm is overpowered. There is no way blizzard can "balance" storm for these players short of just removing it from the game or making it do 5 damage. Storm being overpowered isn't the reason it causes them problems, it's that they are playing badly. The effect of balance on your play is far overshadowed by mistakes in your micro, macro, build order, unit management, and positioning. Once you achieve code S level skill at those aspects of the game then you can whine about balance. I agree with your post in general except for the whining part. If the game has perceived imbalances of course people who do see them are gonna whine, doesn't mean Blizz has to act upon it. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On June 22 2012 20:01 iNcontroL wrote: Yup. You realize everyone crying about sotg has Terran icons? That was my point... Good.. so in just 3 clicks my posts went from 'crying' to legitimate complaints. Hopefully this has also fixed your caps lock key which apparently had a tendency to activate randomly. | ||
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