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On June 22 2012 17:31 zefreak wrote:
It's a talk show, not a 'news show' where everything has to be objective and have counterpoint. JP can do whatever he likes with the show. They are buddies that enjoy talking starcraft, and including someone just because they are terran would be stupid.
That also makes shitty, shitty news shows and would make a shitty, shitty SotG. The equal coverage "balanced" bull shit means allowing stupid opinions to exist for the sake of equality. F that S.
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On June 22 2012 07:59 Baalthersar wrote:
Reading this thread I often think people watch different episodes than I do. What Terran hate was displayed?
I really enjoy the show and hope for another episode soon.
It started at 50:30 (times for the mp3) where the topic of 'there are many korean pros saying TvZ is unwinnable' was brought up. Incontrol just replies with a reference that MVP still has won the most money (which is basically impying that it's OK for T to be UP because they did well before). Artosis chimes in that Terrans exaggerate, calls them stupid and then himself paints the pre-patch TvZ as horribly T-favored, because Terrans could trick Zergs hard (clearly, it should be illegal to trick your opponent in sc2). He then proceeds to claim, that hellions won the game outright pre-patch and is annoyed that pros whine way too much. He then of course exempts the prior period (namely where he and Idra did the imbalaced show). JP brings up the foreign tourneys where Terrans barely get a top4 spot and the response is Artosis shitting all over it because it's not the top korean pros.
Then there is a 'somewhat' OK discussion (apart from the fact that they proclaim 60% winrate for Terran as the norm which is clearly false - and they also reduce the time since the patch to one week down from five weeks) before resuming the infuriating stuff at 57:50 with "Terrans quit too easy, they would never have managed to play toss/zerg" and "thank god many terrans that are bad but riding their race get selected out". At 59:00 Artosis then condescends upon Terrans just not scouting despite having trololol scan than clearly reveals everything in a protoss base.
Isaac rambled how great the raven is (yeah.. we terrans know... ravens have been the solution to ALL our problems forever). Really annoying, though Idra correctly states that it doesn't help. Artosis then rambles on about some raven use in the late game, talking about games that were lost by terrans in part due to the investement in ravens (that didn't do much).
62:50 incontrol then responds to the chat by telling the terrans to choke on a PC chair leg. Idra chimes in that all Terran players are retarded with a sense of entitlement... yeah.. he is Idra...
Bottomline:
Over more than 10 minutes the cast (minus JP) and especially Artosis talked out of their ass with obvious missconceptions about the Terran play and the TvZ matchup and mocked and hated on the Terran community.
Now I don't know which show you watched or listened, but that's my impression. They can continue to do so, it's their right, but for me the episode was a disappointment and I have already gone from "waiting for each episode" to "periodically check on the thread and listed to the show". If the trend continues I will probably listen even less and the reason for me slowly losing interest in the show lies in part in their clear bias against the race I happen to play. I used to ignore the jabs towards the 'ez mode race', because Terrans were doing well for a long time, but the game was balanced at my masters level when the 1-1-1 was figured out and since then Terrans continue to be nerfed while still getting hate from Zergs/Toss.
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OH MY GAWD!! ! ! We told terrans things are in flux and post patch races always struggle after a buff/nerf??? WE NEVER SAID THAT TO ZERGS RIGHT?
ahhaahahahah
The fact there is THIS much of a shit storm in this thread really only proves all the mocking we did about terrans being whiney pussies who can't man the fuck up and just play the damn game.
There is a race icon on TL .. check that then check those bitching. It's actually fucking hilarious.
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If you want balance discussion then go watch ITG. SotG has barely been about the actual game for a very long time.
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So on second thought you still stand by the following:
- The patch hit 1 week before the show.
- The pre-patch TvX winrate was 60%
- Terran never scouts
- Hellions were an auto-win in TvZ
- It's not OK that Terrans can trick Zerg
Because those are the major points I disliked, because they are actually false. I could have lived with the "I don't think Terran has adjusted yet. Try more battle cruisers, it will be fine" even though I disagree. After all I haven't had that much problem with similar statements at prior patches.
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Wow the "Terran community". Big deal.
If I was playing Terran High level instead of playing Random casual level i'd probably be too busy analyzing how 6 Terrans got out of their GSL groups winning TvZ series (when TvZ is supposed to be "unwinnable") to come and post here about how SotG crew made fun of me and the way i complain instead of studying the game and figuring things out in the post-patch environment.
Just saying guys, it's pretty hilarious how some people react sometimes.
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As someone who gives almost no thought for Team EG and therefore doesn't follow their players/staff, I wish they would've introduced Azael. No clue who he is :/
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On June 22 2012 17:56 iNcontroL wrote:
OH MY GAWD!! ! ! We told terrans things are in flux and post patch races always struggle after a buff/nerf??? WE NEVER SAID THAT TO ZERGS RIGHT?
ahhaahahahah
The fact there is THIS much of a shit storm in this thread really only proves all the mocking we did about terrans being whiney pussies who can't man the fuck up and just play the damn game.
There is a race icon on TL .. check that then check those bitching. It's actually fucking hilarious.
All the replies in these do not prove anything but there are whiney Terran players, just like there are whiney zerg players and whiney protoss players.
I can understand what you said in the show, but what you said here is just too biased.
If you truly think that this is the proper reply to whiny people, maybe you should tell Idra the same thing whenever he complain about Protoss and Terran being silly : "can't man the fuck up and just play the damn game. "
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On June 22 2012 18:06 Kerm wrote:
Wow the "Terran community". Big deal.
If I was playing Terran High level instead of playing Random casual level i'd probably be too busy analyzing how 6 Terrans got out of their GSL groups winning TvZ series (when TvZ is supposed to be "unwinnable") to come and post here about how SotG crew made fun of me and the way i complain instead of studying the game and figuring things out in the post-patch environment.
Just saying guys, it's pretty hilarious how some people react sometimes.
It implies that you haven't watched the series. Out of the five terrans that advanced while playing against a Zerg, three advanced against either suhoshin who used the same roach build over and over or leenock who played abysmal donating 5+ infestors for free twice in a row and the third game lost after donating 8 mutas completely for free due to a missralley. I'm sad that I haven't seen the series in groups E or F, because there might have been some information.
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lol SEE
look at his race icon ahah
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On June 22 2012 18:13 Thrombozyt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 18:06 Kerm wrote:
Wow the "Terran community". Big deal.
If I was playing Terran High level instead of playing Random casual level i'd probably be too busy analyzing how 6 Terrans got out of their GSL groups winning TvZ series (when TvZ is supposed to be "unwinnable") to come and post here about how SotG crew made fun of me and the way i complain instead of studying the game and figuring things out in the post-patch environment.
Just saying guys, it's pretty hilarious how some people react sometimes. It implies that you haven't watched the series. Out of the five terrans that advanced while playing against a Zerg, three advanced against either suhoshin who used the same roach build over and over or leenock who played abysmal donating 5+ infestors for free twice in a row and the third game lost after donating 8 mutas completely for free due to a missralley. I'm sad that I haven't seen the series in groups E or F, because there might have been some information.
EXTREMELY typical perspective from a whiney bitch.
Explaining how the zerg's played bad and made mistakes as a way to justify terran winning.. where does that sound familiar? In IdrA's worst bouts of balance whining he DID THE EXACT SAME THING. Come on man? People make mistakes and have their builds countered... we are in year 14 or something of SC and as I have been around for ALL of it I can tell you it is fucking hilarious to hear people excuse winning/losing due to mistakes.. it's a strange happening that I see only in gaming and only with whiney bitches.
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I didn't watch the most recent episode, but did Artosis really say that about Terran players? I wonder what he thought about TvZ before the Ghost nerf.
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Yeah, clearly, only terrans bitch. It's not like protoss kept complaining about 1-1-1 and mutas again and again just some months ago. It's not like they had a fan club dedicated to self pity and bitching about the state of protoss. And zergs had their moments before that, too.
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On June 22 2012 17:56 iNcontroL wrote:
OH MY GAWD!! ! ! We told terrans things are in flux and post patch races always struggle after a buff/nerf??? WE NEVER SAID THAT TO ZERGS RIGHT?
ahhaahahahah
The fact there is THIS much of a shit storm in this thread really only proves all the mocking we did about terrans being whiney pussies who can't man the fuck up and just play the damn game.
There is a race icon on TL .. check that then check those bitching. It's actually fucking hilarious.
Please don't be silly, have you seen a Sad Marine Thread? Have you seen how Zergs were whining in the beginning of SC2? When a race is the weakest the players will whine. This is the same for all the players of all the 3 races. It's actually fucking hilarious how you can even think that Terrans are the only ones crying when one of your teammates is Idra.
So on second thought you still stand by the following:
- The patch hit 1 week before the show.
- The pre-patch TvX winrate was 60%
- Terran never scouts
- Hellions were an auto-win in TvZ
- It's not OK that Terrans can trick Zerg
Because those are the major points I disliked, because they are actually false. I could have lived with the "I don't think Terran has adjusted yet. Try more battle cruisers, it will be fine" even though I disagree. After all I haven't had that much problem with similar statements at prior patches.
Don't worry, the advice is coming from Zerg and Protoss players, what do you expect? I remember Artosis going on and on about how Mech was going to be the next big thing just when EMP got nerfed. It's just a fact that Terran is the weaker race right now, it shows in the win statistics and in the tournament winnings from the past half year outside of Korea and after the last patch it's also showing in Korea. The biggest problem in my opinion is how awfull terrans have been performing outside korea the last half year and nobody gives a damn because Terrans always continued to do well in the GSL. There are less and less Terran players each season on the servers. Terran is the most underrepresented race, everywhere.
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They were wrong/bad then as you are now 
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Haha talk about not reading posts .. I named idra in my post you idiot
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On June 22 2012 18:14 iNcontroL wrote:
lol SEE
look at his race icon ahah
LOL if you think that the race icon is that indicative , then you better take a look at your own icon.
Then you will realize someone who have a race icon does not mean he plays that race. Moreover, what I said has nothing to do with race bias, it stays true no matter it is from a protoss players or a zerg player.
If you do not know why icons are not always indicative for a player's race, you better ask yourself that question. And I also wonder if Demuslim is interested in getting on the show and giving some Terran opinion. However that will make the show very EG bias I guess = =" What about people like Gretorp, illusion and Drewbie, I think the show can experiment with them a little bit too.
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Haha talk about not reading posts .. I named idra in my post you idiot
I'm sorry you idiot, I was making that post before you had posted this post: EXTREMELY typical perspective from a whiney bitch.
Explaining how the zerg's played bad and made mistakes as a way to justify terran winning.. where does that sound familiar? In IdrA's worst bouts of balance whining he DID THE EXACT SAME THING. Come on man? People make mistakes and have their builds countered... we are in year 14 or something of SC and as I have been around for ALL of it I can tell you it is fucking hilarious to hear people excuse winning/losing due to mistakes.. it's a strange happening that I see only in gaming and only with whiney bitches.
So I hadn't seen it. Also, I switched to Zerg about a month ago. I hadn't played the game for more than half a year and a month ago I started playing again, but still the game felt boring so I decided to switch to Zerg, learning a new race is quite exciting.
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I can't believe you get baited into this shit incontrol.
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On June 22 2012 18:16 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 18:13 Thrombozyt wrote:On June 22 2012 18:06 Kerm wrote:
Wow the "Terran community". Big deal.
If I was playing Terran High level instead of playing Random casual level i'd probably be too busy analyzing how 6 Terrans got out of their GSL groups winning TvZ series (when TvZ is supposed to be "unwinnable") to come and post here about how SotG crew made fun of me and the way i complain instead of studying the game and figuring things out in the post-patch environment.
Just saying guys, it's pretty hilarious how some people react sometimes. It implies that you haven't watched the series. Out of the five terrans that advanced while playing against a Zerg, three advanced against either suhoshin who used the same roach build over and over or leenock who played abysmal donating 5+ infestors for free twice in a row and the third game lost after donating 8 mutas completely for free due to a missralley. I'm sad that I haven't seen the series in groups E or F, because there might have been some information. EXTREMELY typical perspective from a whiney bitch. Explaining how the zerg's played bad and made mistakes as a way to justify terran winning.. where does that sound familiar? In IdrA's worst bouts of balance whining he DID THE EXACT SAME THING. Come on man? People make mistakes and have their builds countered... we are in year 14 or something of SC and as I have been around for ALL of it I can tell you it is fucking hilarious to hear people excuse winning/losing due to mistakes.. it's a strange happening that I see only in gaming and only with whiney bitches.
OK. So I'm a whiney bitch because I don't look at games that were clearly decided by key blunders (Leenock) or where the Zerg chose a sub-par strategy over and over again (suhoshin) in order to improve my game against the problem build. But I guess you as manly man improved your defense against 1-1-1 by studying the crap out of games where protoss won because the terran forgot siegemode (key blunder) or where the terran played 1rax expand (not the build you have problems against).
Based on this I guess you tried to convince Idra that Zergs can beat Protoss based on the Naniwa-probe-rush-game.
I have no clue why you react so hysterical, incontrol. I have just listed what bugged me about the recent episode. I have not demanded a change nor expected anything else from you. You can go on doing what you do, fine. I have just highlighted, that I as a listener will probably be less and less part of your audience due to the existing trends.
Btw: You really still think TvZ was at 60% winrate pre-patch?
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