EPThttp://www.twitch.tv/stateofthegame/b/309363530
Starts at ~5:00, with sound issues...
Starts a bit better at 6:20.
Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2068
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kongor
Canada38 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/stateofthegame/b/309363530 Starts at ~5:00, with sound issues... Starts a bit better at 6:20. | ||
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
I apologize but Xsplit completely fucked this episode. I did my best to salvage it, but I'm not happy with it. Best I can do while here in NYC and focusing on the Arena. | ||
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Xarwy
Norway67 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:15 itmeJP wrote: http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/02/sotg-ep63.html MP3 is up, VOD is processing on YouTube. I apologize but Xsplit completely fucked this episode. I did my best to salvage it, but I'm not happy with it. Best I can do while here in NYC and focusing on the Arena. Fuck yes! | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
"We just did'nt change the terms because... they are the same as they have been for 5 years. THAT'S why." "There isn't room for media. What do you want me to do?" How about UPDATING your terms and conditions? How about finding a plausible venue? It's just so amateur hour, it boils the piss in my bladder. You want to stage a viable professional tournament? A PPV one at that? How about acting as professionals from the get-go?!?! And how is the expected 10% who is willing to pay, ever going to produce a profitable business case? | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:47 jammedk wrote: I just want to explode every time I hear MLG people's rationales. "We just did'nt change the terms because... they are the same as they have been for 5 years. THAT'S why." "There isn't room for media. What do you want me to do?" How about UPDATING your terms and conditions? How about finding a plausible venue? It's just so amateur hour, it boils the piss in my bladder. You want to stage a viable professional tournament? A PPV one at that? How about acting as professionals from the get-go?!?! And how is the expected 10% who is willing to pay, ever going to produce a profitable business case? Hopefully you and the other butthurt cheap fans have exploded bladders that stop the endless TL tirade of whining. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:47 jammedk wrote: I just want to explode every time I hear MLG people's rationales. "We just did'nt change the terms because... they are the same as they have been for 5 years. THAT'S why." "There isn't room for media. What do you want me to do?" How about UPDATING your terms and conditions? How about finding a plausible venue? It's just so amateur hour, it boils the piss in my bladder. You want to stage a viable professional tournament? A PPV one at that? How about acting as professionals from the get-go?!?! And how is the expected 10% who is willing to pay, ever going to produce a profitable business case? I just block out all things MLG related 100% now. It's become quiet a joke and I am in no way emotionally invested in the success or failure of the company at this point. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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FunnyPicture
Sweden147 Posts
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
On Feb 22 2012 12:53<span style='color:#d20000'> (5 min)</span> Talin wrote: I never thought I would have to say this, but I think LO3 did a way better job at their own MLG Winter Arena-related interview. I agree, and I've gained a lot of respect for Scoots from that episode. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:49 farvacola wrote: Hopefully you and the other butthurt cheap fans have exploded bladders that stop the endless TL tirade of whining. We can only pray. These kids with their self issued MBA in running successful Esports leagues are a real drain on the community. Gold members who felt abit cheated I get. But these people who claim that every event should be free all the time and they should never be charged for anything are just silly. There is no profession sport that doesn't charge someone for showing their events. I have never seen so many people bent out of shape for being asked to pay $20(the price is a point of debate, though still a good value) an entire weekend of live entertainment. | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:49 farvacola wrote: Hopefully you and the other butthurt cheap fans have exploded bladders that stop the endless TL tirade of whining. It has absolutely ZERO to-do with being butt-hurt. I didn't even mention the price, which I will be paying btw. I just wish they weren't such raging amateurs. You want to run a PPV business? Start acting like professionals. | ||
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Trict
Canada182 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:55 FunnyPicture wrote: I actually am so tired of hearing about this MLG bullshit. The only thing good that comes out of this is that people will hopefully start to appreciate other FREE TO WATCH tournaments so much more. Than you obviously haven't been listening at all what so ever. This step into ppv is inevitable, it has to happen the ad revenue hardly even covers the cost of running the event. There experimenting with what is going to be the best way to make a profit, grow the industry, and put out good content. | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:59 Plansix wrote: We can only pray. These kids with their self issued MBA in running successful Esports leagues are a real drain on the community. Gold members who felt abit cheated I get. But these people who claim that every event should be free all the time and they should never be charged for anything are just silly. There is no profession sport that doesn't charge someone for showing their events. I have never seen so many people bent out of shape for being asked to pay $20(the price is a point of debate, though still a good value) an entire weekend of live entertainment. I never stated it should be free ?!?! Can't you guys read? I was referring to the blatantly childish responses to questions like: why is there no room for media? what about the plus-1? Edit: And sorry... I never stated I have an mba. Only a masters-degree in business. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:00 jammedk wrote: It has absolutely ZERO to-do with being butt-hurt. I didn't even mention the price, which I will be paying btw. I just wish they weren't such raging amateurs. You want to run a PPV business? Start acting like professionals. Don't you see the issue with labeling the organization as amateurish before the production even takes place? You have yet to see even one game of the tournament and yet you and many other TL posters have made their judgements and decided that the Sc2 online community ought to be draped with anti-MLG calls for an end to "amateur hour", when in reality MLG is one of the only organizations that gives e-sports even a shred of mainstream credibility. If the tournament happens and the games are meh and the cost is clearly too much than thats fine, MLG has made it clear that they are more than willing to change future plans to reflect lessons learned from previous experience. What worries me most about this is the appearance of all this to prospective investors or those interested in Sc2 as an emerging market. If I'm a venture capitalist and I've perused the forums at all these past few days I am going to be VERY VERY worried about the maturity and ability of the target Sc2 market to pay. Nothing can shutdown a business venture faster than a community aversion to spending money. As for the butthurt comment, you're the one talking about your boiling piss. | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:07 farvacola wrote: Don't you see the issue with labeling the organization as amateurish before the production even takes place? You have yet to see even one game of the tournament and yet you and many other TL posters have made their judgements and decided that the Sc2 online community ought to be draped with anti-MLG calls for an end to "amateur hour", when in reality MLG is one of the only organizations that gives e-sports even a shred of mainstream credibility. If the tournament happens and the games are meh and the cost is clearly too much than thats fine, MLG has made it clear that they are more than willing to change future plans to reflect lessons learned from previous experience. What worries me most about this is the appearance of all this to prospective investors or those interested in Sc2 as an emerging market. If I'm a venture capitalist and I've perused the forums at all these past few days I am going to be VERY VERY worried about the maturity and ability of the target Sc2 market to pay. Nothing can shutdown a business venture faster than a community aversion to spending money. As for the butthurt comment, you're the one talking about your boiling piss. Again... read my original post. I never stated, that they are not capable of delivering amazing production value, or that the price is not worth it. Just hire some grown-ups for gods sake. If a person from the company I work at, answered a legitimate question regarding lack of media - in an interview - with "What do you want me to do?"... he would be fired. And in all honesty, If I were a venture capitalist, I wouldn't touch this project with a 10 foot pole. But not for the reasons you mention. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:02 jammedk wrote: I never stated it should be free ?!?! Can't you guys read? I was referring to the blatantly childish responses to questions like: why is there no room for media? what about the plus-1? Edit: And sorry... I never stated I have an mba. Only a masters-degree in business. Ok, first a MBA is a Masters of Business Administration, which is a master degree in business. See the following link for further details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Business_Administration Second, you cannot call a response childish when your post talks about boiling urine. While some of your points may have a bit of merit, the way to make them comes off as immature. Although MLG is not perfect, their flaws do not warrent this sort of response. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Don't you see the issue with labeling the organization as amateurish before the production even takes place? No because there is a lot more to a business than the end product itself. | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:17 Plansix wrote: Ok, first a MBA is a Masters of Business Administration, which is a master degree in business. See the following link for further details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Business_Administration Second, you cannot call a response childish when your post talks about boiling urine. While some of your points may have a bit of merit, the way to make them comes off as immature. Although MLG is not perfect, their flaws do not warrent this sort of response. Fair enough... I was just really pissed off at the responses. I apologize. Regarding Masters - it varies from country to country. In my country, it is bachelor degree --> Masters degree --> MBA as supplement. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:14 jammedk wrote: Again... read my original post. I never stated, that they are not capable of delivering amazing production value, or that the price is not worth it. Just hire some grown-ups for gods sake. If a person from the company I work at, answered a legitimate question regarding lack of media - in an interview - with "What do you want me to do?"... he would be fired. And in all honesty, If I were a venture capitalist, I wouldn't touch this project with a 10 foot pole. But not for the reasons you mention. As has already been mentioned, the tired comparison of MLG to any other sort of typical business/company is a hollow means of gaining any insight in regards to this situation, as the hard and fast rules of standard business procedure/efficiency change quite dramatically when it comes to entering emerging markets and fostering a previously nonexistent paying community. From a business standpoint, MLG's venture is tantamount to that of a company opening up a flagship branch in a new country, and anyone in management who kneejerk fires people for difficulties faced in the new market is an idiot. | ||
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