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crms
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:21 farvacola wrote: As has already been mentioned, the tired comparison of MLG to any other sort of typical business/company is a hollow means of gaining any insight in regards to this situation, as the hard and fast rules of standard business procedure/efficiency change quite dramatically when it comes to entering emerging markets and fostering a previously nonexistent paying community. From a business standpoint, MLG's venture is tantamount to that of a company opening up a flagship branch in a new country, and anyone in management who kneejerk fires people for difficulties faced in the new market is an idiot. No need for calling me an idiot. So... because he works in an emerging market... you were satisfied with his responses in that interview? | ||
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ShrikeG
Canada75 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:28 crydee wrote: I was watching the VOD on twitch but it disappeared! So was I, it's because it went up on Youtube. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:27 jammedk wrote: No need for calling me an idiot. So... because he works in an emerging market... you were satisfied with his responses in that interview? I apologize if you believed me to be labeling you an idiot, I'm merely suggesting that MLG's position, from both a business and organizational standpoint, is unique enough to warrant a revisiting of typical business standards. Has MLG made rather glaring mistakes in regards to the putting together of their winter arena? Yes, and they'll be the first ones to tell you that. What I'm suggesting is that someone with an understanding of the risks and difficulties inherent in pursuing business in an emerging market will know that these problems will happen pretty much no matter what, and it ends up being a question of who has the balls to make the first mistakes and learn from them rather than who can avoid problems altogether. I was pretty dissatisfied with Adam's responses to be honest, but I was comforted greatly by how Adam himself was just as dissatisfied. Frankly, I'm rather happy that the Sc2 community has an organization like MLG to make that first step into the possible world of mainstream esports business. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:21 farvacola wrote: As has already been mentioned, the tired comparison of MLG to any other sort of typical business/company is a hollow means of gaining any insight in regards to this situation, as the hard and fast rules of standard business procedure/efficiency change quite dramatically when it comes to entering emerging markets and fostering a previously nonexistent paying community. From a business standpoint, MLG's venture is tantamount to that of a company opening up a flagship branch in a new country, and anyone in management who kneejerk fires people for difficulties faced in the new market is an idiot. That is the problem of the community is having at this point. There is no established Esports business model out there that has been successful. MLG is attempting, by their own statments, to consistant SC2 league in North America, which has its own set of difficulties that GSL does not have to deal with. They have no blue print for how to deal with these issues. In the Winter Arena, they are addresssing one issue that they see, which is travel for the players and teams. Can they provide that and charge enough to make money off of each event? Will people pay if the production value is high enough? Personally hope the answer is yes to all of those. I see the lack of media at the venue as a minor problem. I am sure they want to run a tight program and planning for media in the studio would limit their ability to do that. Also, if they allow a select number of reporters in, who do they allow? If they don't allow a well loved community reporter in due to lack of space, will there be backlash? If that amount trouble worth it when they are attempting to run 5 streams? I am sure all of this was asked and the answer was, it is not worth the trouble. There has been enough coverage and from my understanding, there is a barcraft right next door. I am sure there will be plenty of space for interviews there. | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:38 farvacola wrote: I apologize if you believed me to be labeling you an idiot, I'm merely suggesting that MLG's position, from both a business and organizational standpoint, is unique enough to warrant a revisiting of typical business standards. Has MLG made rather glaring mistakes in regards to the putting together of their winter arena? Yes, and they'll be the first ones to tell you that. What I'm suggesting is that someone with an understanding of the risks and difficulties inherent in pursuing business in an emerging market will know that these problems will happen pretty much no matter what, and it ends up being a question of who has the balls to make the first mistakes and learn from them rather than who can avoid problems altogether. I was pretty dissatisfied with Adam's responses to be honest, but I was comforted greatly by how Adam himself was just as dissatisfied. Frankly, I'm rather happy that the Sc2 community has an organization like MLG to make that first step into the possible world of mainstream esports business. Many good points in your post, sir. I mostly agree. I think most of my animosity comes from the fact that I really REALLY want MLG to succeed. They have hosted amazing events in the past, and I would never say anything bad about the level of production they deliver. For me MLG is even more entertaining than GSL because of the crowds etc. It's just... As you mentioned earlier MLG's venture is tantamount. I just hope they don't screw it up because of less than able marketing/press releases and poor decision making (reg. venue choice etc.) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:07 farvacola wrote: Don't you see the issue with labeling the organization as amateurish before the production even takes place? You have yet to see even one game of the tournament and yet you and many other TL posters have made their judgements and decided that the Sc2 online community ought to be draped with anti-MLG calls for an end to "amateur hour", when in reality MLG is one of the only organizations that gives e-sports even a shred of mainstream credibility. Why would seeing one or more games in a tournament matter? MLG does not control the quality of games. Whatever happens on that screen is just a part of Starcraft 2. I can actually explain you the entire process of me making that judgement - First time I heard about MLG's 2012 format, and I read about the Arena event itself, about it being a live event, but not quite live, with players flown (with expenses paid) to some random location to play their games, my first notion was "well, that seems quite pointless". It seemed quite pointless because Winter Arena looked like it's going to be, from a spectator point of view, an online tournament. Yes, the players will physically be present in a central location, but for all the difference that makes to the viewer, they may as well be playing from their homes. There won't be an audience, which gives energy and charm to the live events and makes them ACTUAL live experiences for people. There won't even be proper media coverage at the location. They won't have a Homestory Cup - like atmosphere with drinks and cake and barbecues and player casting and joking around. So this begs the question - WHY are these players even THERE in person? So that they can play with less lag, and more jet lag? A worthy cause, but in no universe is it worth as much as they're paying for it. Now this was all before they brought up PPV, and this in-between second-stage-qualifier pseudo-live event already looked like one of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard. There didn't seem to have any meaningful purpose or logic behind it's existence. It was just kinda there, suspiciously thrown in between two other stages of the season that actually do make sense. Then the PPV drama hits, and you learn that they're actually charging money for the weird pseudo-live-but-essenitally-online second-stage-qualifier tournament and my mind was completely blown at that point. First that they're literally charging money for the most nonsensical out of the 3 events they have per season which was questionable even while it was (presumed to be) free. I would actually understand it more if they charged $20 for the actual season finals - which IS a live event, does have all the hype and atmosphere that comes with a big crowd, is at a reliable venue, and is at the final and most important event of the season, one that will crown the actual champion, where we can see moments like Boxer's or MMA's. That would almost be worth the $20 (but only as a fan, not objectively). But no. MLG instead decides to charge money for a middle-of-the-line, half-assed event where we'll be staring either at the casters or at the game almost all the time, with maybe an occasional interview in some room with a gloomy atmosphere, and Generic MLG Music intervals. And they don't even seem to bother with the promotion - the only attention and hype this event is getting is created by the PPV debates. Their bracket "show" most certainly didn't show off stellar production and was short and all-round boring. There's a ton of stuff that they do that makes them come off as amateurs. And for me personally, that's perfectly fine. I'm the last person that wants to see hard-core cold professionalism in something that's my hobby, even if it meant having perfectly smooth events. However the problem is that MLG constantly swings between acting like amateurs and trying to act like a legitimate business. They can't seem to decide whether they're asking for donations to help them keep running events, or they're selling a product that should be evaluated on its own merit. Listening to Adam and Sundance, it sounds like they want it to be both, or neither. If they're trying to sell things, I want to at least hear about all the awesome things I'm going to see, but instead I heard most about how money is a problem, how this had to be done, how nobody is making any money, how the scene must grow, how players need to be paid, etc. Their claims that they believe what they're offering is worth $20 at the end of those rants didn't seem very convincing at all, but I suppose we'll have to see about that. Honestly, with the premises of the event (a pseudo-live event with players only) I can't even IMAGINE an ideal event that would actually be worth $20 while other, actual live events, are free to watch. You would pretty much have to be infinity times better than them, and with MLG's record, I'm not even sure if they can be better at all. | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:13 Talin wrote: Why would seeing one or more games in a tournament matter? MLG does not control the quality of games. Whatever happens on that screen is just a part of Starcraft 2. I can actually explain you the entire process of me making that judgement - First time I heard about MLG's 2012 format, and I read about the Arena event itself, about it being a live event, but not quite live, with players flown (with expenses paid) to some random location to play their games, my first notion was "well, that seems quite pointless". It seemed quite pointless because Winter Arena looked like it's going to be, from a spectator point of view, an online tournament. Yes, the players will physically be present in a central location, but for all the difference that makes to the viewer, they may as well be playing from their homes. There won't be an audience, which gives energy and charm to the live events and makes them ACTUAL live experiences for people. There won't even be proper media coverage at the location. They won't have a Homestory Cup - like atmosphere with drinks and cake and barbecues and player casting and joking around. So this begs the question - WHY are these players even THERE in person? So that they can play with less lag, and more jet lag? A worthy cause, but in no universe is it worth as much as they're paying for it. Now this was all before they brought up PPV, and this in-between second-stage-qualifier pseudo-live event already looked like one of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard. There didn't seem to have any meaningful purpose or logic behind it's existence. It was just kinda there, suspiciously thrown in between two other stages of the season that actually do make sense. Then the PPV drama hits, and you learn that they're actually charging money for the weird pseudo-live-but-essenitally-online second-stage-qualifier tournament and my mind was completely blown at that point. First that they're literally charging money for the most nonsensical out of the 3 events they have per season which was questionable even while it was (presumed to be) free. I would actually understand it more if they charged $20 for the actual season finals - which IS a live event, does have all the hype and atmosphere that comes with a big crowd, is at a reliable venue, and is at the final and most important event of the season, one that will crown the actual champion, where we can see moments like Boxer's or MMA's. That would almost be worth the $20 (but only as a fan, not objectively). But no. MLG instead decides to charge money for a middle-of-the-line, half-assed event where we'll be staring either at the casters or at the game almost all the time, with maybe an occasional interview in some room with a gloomy atmosphere, and Generic MLG Music intervals. And they don't even seem to bother with the promotion - the only attention and hype this event is getting is created by the PPV debates. Their bracket "show" most certainly didn't show off stellar production and was short and all-round boring. There's a ton of stuff that they do that makes them come off as amateurs. And for me personally, that's perfectly fine. I'm the last person that wants to see hard-core cold professionalism in something that's my hobby, even if it meant having perfectly smooth events. However the problem is that MLG constantly swings between acting like amateurs and trying to act like a legitimate business. They can't seem to decide whether they're asking for donations to help them keep running events, or they're selling a product that should be evaluated on its own merit. Listening to Adam and Sundance, it sounds like they want it to be both, or neither. If they're trying to sell things, I want to at least hear about all the awesome things I'm going to see, but instead I heard most about how money is a problem, how this had to be done, how nobody is making any money, how the scene must grow, how players need to be paid, etc. Their claims that they believe what they're offering is worth $20 at the end of those rants didn't seem very convincing at all, but I suppose we'll have to see about that. Honestly, with the premises of the event (a pseudo-live event with players only) I can't even IMAGINE an ideal event that would actually be worth $20 while other, actual live events, are free to watch. You would pretty much have to be infinity times better than them, and with MLG's record, I'm not even sure if they can be better at all. Great post. Sent you a PM. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:13 Talin wrote: Why would seeing one or more games in a tournament matter? MLG does not control the quality of games. Whatever happens on that screen is just a part of Starcraft 2. I can actually explain you the entire process of me making that judgement - First time I heard about MLG's 2012 format, and I read about the Arena event itself, about it being a live event, but not quite live, with players flown (with expenses paid) to some random location to play their games, my first notion was "well, that seems quite pointless". It seemed quite pointless because Winter Arena looked like it's going to be, from a spectator point of view, an online tournament. Yes, the players will physically be present in a central location, but for all the difference that makes to the viewer, they may as well be playing from their homes. There won't be an audience, which gives energy and charm to the live events and makes them ACTUAL live experiences for people. There won't even be proper media coverage at the location. They won't have a Homestory Cup - like atmosphere with drinks and cake and barbecues and player casting and joking around. So this begs the question - WHY are these players even THERE in person? So that they can play with less lag, and more jet lag? A worthy cause, but in no universe is it worth as much as they're paying for it. Now this was all before they brought up PPV, and this in-between second-stage-qualifier pseudo-live event already looked like one of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard. There didn't seem to have any meaningful purpose or logic behind it's existence. It was just kinda there, suspiciously thrown in between two other stages of the season that actually do make sense. Then the PPV drama hits, and you learn that they're actually charging money for the weird pseudo-live-but-essenitally-online second-stage-qualifier tournament and my mind was completely blown at that point. First that they're literally charging money for the most nonsensical out of the 3 events they have per season which was questionable even while it was (presumed to be) free. I would actually understand it more if they charged $20 for the actual season finals - which IS a live event, does have all the hype and atmosphere that comes with a big crowd, is at a reliable venue, and is at the final and most important event of the season, one that will crown the actual champion, where we can see moments like Boxer's or MMA's. That would almost be worth the $20 (but only as a fan, not objectively). But no. MLG instead decides to charge money for a middle-of-the-line, half-assed event where we'll be staring either at the casters or at the game almost all the time, with maybe an occasional interview in some room with a gloomy atmosphere, and Generic MLG Music intervals. And they don't even seem to bother with the promotion - the only attention and hype this event is getting is created by the PPV debates. Their bracket "show" most certainly didn't show off stellar production and was short and all-round boring. There's a ton of stuff that they do that makes them come off as amateurs. And for me personally, that's perfectly fine. I'm the last person that wants to see hard-core cold professionalism in something that's my hobby, even if it meant having perfectly smooth events. However the problem is that MLG constantly swings between acting like amateurs and trying to act like a legitimate business. They can't seem to decide whether they're asking for donations to help them keep running events, or they're selling a product that should be evaluated on its own merit. Listening to Adam and Sundance, it sounds like they want it to be both, or neither. If they're trying to sell things, I want to at least hear about all the awesome things I'm going to see, but instead I heard most about how money is a problem, how this had to be done, how nobody is making any money, how the scene must grow, how players need to be paid, etc. Their claims that they believe what they're offering is worth $20 at the end of those rants didn't seem very convincing at all, but I suppose we'll have to see about that. Honestly, with the premises of the event (a pseudo-live event with players only) I can't even IMAGINE an ideal event that would actually be worth $20 while other, actual live events, are free to watch. You would pretty much have to be infinity times better than them, and with MLG's record, I'm not even sure if they can be better at all. You do a lot to invalidate your opinion with paragraph like I've bolded. As far as you've elucidated, you've clearly made your mind up in regards to the possible value of the Winter Arena (I particularly enjoyed the use of "gloomy", "generic", and "half-assed", all qualifications that a reasonable individual might apply when ACTUALLY experiencing the event), making any attempt at convincing you or the hordes of other quick-to-judge people rather useless. Thanks for making it crystal clear how one goes about making faulty, hasty judgements predicated on a virulent reaction to an esports organization asking for money. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:13 Talin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why would seeing one or more games in a tournament matter? MLG does not control the quality of games. Whatever happens on that screen is just a part of Starcraft 2. I can actually explain you the entire process of me making that judgement - First time I heard about MLG's 2012 format, and I read about the Arena event itself, about it being a live event, but not quite live, with players flown (with expenses paid) to some random location to play their games, my first notion was "well, that seems quite pointless". It seemed quite pointless because Winter Arena looked like it's going to be, from a spectator point of view, an online tournament. Yes, the players will physically be present in a central location, but for all the difference that makes to the viewer, they may as well be playing from their homes. There won't be an audience, which gives energy and charm to the live events and makes them ACTUAL live experiences for people. There won't even be proper media coverage at the location. They won't have a Homestory Cup - like atmosphere with drinks and cake and barbecues and player casting and joking around. So this begs the question - WHY are these players even THERE in person? So that they can play with less lag, and more jet lag? A worthy cause, but in no universe is it worth as much as they're paying for it. Now this was all before they brought up PPV, and this in-between second-stage-qualifier pseudo-live event already looked like one of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard. There didn't seem to have any meaningful purpose or logic behind it's existence. It was just kinda there, suspiciously thrown in between two other stages of the season that actually do make sense. Then the PPV drama hits, and you learn that they're actually charging money for the weird pseudo-live-but-essenitally-online second-stage-qualifier tournament and my mind was completely blown at that point. First that they're literally charging money for the most nonsensical out of the 3 events they have per season which was questionable even while it was (presumed to be) free. I would actually understand it more if they charged $20 for the actual season finals - which IS a live event, does have all the hype and atmosphere that comes with a big crowd, is at a reliable venue, and is at the final and most important event of the season, one that will crown the actual champion, where we can see moments like Boxer's or MMA's. That would almost be worth the $20 (but only as a fan, not objectively). But no. MLG instead decides to charge money for a middle-of-the-line, half-assed event where we'll be staring either at the casters or at the game almost all the time, with maybe an occasional interview in some room with a gloomy atmosphere, and Generic MLG Music intervals. And they don't even seem to bother with the promotion - the only attention and hype this event is getting is created by the PPV debates. Their bracket "show" most certainly didn't show off stellar production and was short and all-round boring. There's a ton of stuff that they do that makes them come off as amateurs. And for me personally, that's perfectly fine. I'm the last person that wants to see hard-core cold professionalism in something that's my hobby, even if it meant having perfectly smooth events. However the problem is that MLG constantly swings between acting like amateurs and trying to act like a legitimate business. They can't seem to decide whether they're asking for donations to help them keep running events, or they're selling a product that should be evaluated on its own merit. Listening to Adam and Sundance, it sounds like they want it to be both, or neither. If they're trying to sell things, I want to at least hear about all the awesome things I'm going to see, but instead I heard most about how money is a problem, how this had to be done, how nobody is making any money, how the scene must grow, how players need to be paid, etc. Their claims that they believe what they're offering is worth $20 at the end of those rants didn't seem very convincing at all, but I suppose we'll have to see about that. Honestly, with the premises of the event (a pseudo-live event with players only) I can't even IMAGINE an ideal event that would actually be worth $20 while other, actual live events, are free to watch. You would pretty much have to be infinity times better than them, and with MLG's record, I'm not even sure if they can be better at all. You make some good points. It is kinda weird that this event will be PPV while the other events (the ones with live crowd, I guess they're officially Pro Circuit events) are free and arguably of better value for your time, but who knows since we can't really compare. The fact that the VOD's will be up 1 week after the event for free tells me that they are just hoping it will go well while not jumping in with both feet. The bracket show was really boring. If it was just random draws I wish they had done it with live drawing (like the NBA draft with the ping pong balls). It would've been loads better even to just pull stuff out of a hat and stick it on a bracket. I feel like that would've done a lot more to add hype to the event. Regardless of how badly I think they handled the announcement, I'm still gonna buy a pass because: 1) I can afford it. 2) MLG has given me a lot of good moments the last two years and I'm willing to give their first PPV a chance. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9403 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:24 farvacola wrote: You do a lot to invalidate your opinion with paragraph like I've bolded. As far as you've elucidated, you've clearly made your mind up in regards to the possible value of the Winter Arena (I particularly enjoyed the use of "gloomy", "generic", and "half-assed", all qualifications that a reasonable individual might apply when ACTUALLY experiencing the event), making any attempt at convincing you or the hordes of other quick-to-judge people rather useless. Thanks for making it crystal clear how one goes about making faulty, hasty judgements predicated on a virulent reaction to an esports organization asking for money. Of course when can evaluate the expected utlity of an event before it has been played out. What made MLG so great last year was the crowd. This year it as Talin points out, similar to an online event. What arguments is there that this event should be that more existing? That we can have quick interviews? | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
would you be so kind and post that PM here as well ( or send it to me?)  Thanks ! | ||
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Blade Fox
United States215 Posts
Since there wont be a live audience, how about you get some live feed video of barcrafts before/after games? I hear there will be a barcraft pretty close to the studio too. God damn I'm a genious. Send me a pm if you want to pay me, no problem! You're welcome! | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blade Fox wrote: I have a brilliant idea then for MLG. Since there wont be a live audience, how about you get some live feed video of barcrafts before/after games? I hear there will be a barcraft pretty close to the studio too. God damn I'm a genious. Send me a pm if you want to pay me, no problem! You're welcome! Already in the works We'll have staff at the official MLG Barcraft, Legends in NYC. We'll be doing crowd interviews, crowd shots, etc. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:13 Talin wrote: Why would seeing one or more games in a tournament matter? MLG does not control the quality of games. Whatever happens on that screen is just a part of Starcraft 2. I can actually explain you the entire process of me making that judgement - First time I heard about MLG's 2012 format, and I read about the Arena event itself, about it being a live event, but not quite live, with players flown (with expenses paid) to some random location to play their games, my first notion was "well, that seems quite pointless". It seemed quite pointless because Winter Arena looked like it's going to be, from a spectator point of view, an online tournament. Yes, the players will physically be present in a central location, but for all the difference that makes to the viewer, they may as well be playing from their homes. There won't be an audience, which gives energy and charm to the live events and makes them ACTUAL live experiences for people. There won't even be proper media coverage at the location. They won't have a Homestory Cup - like atmosphere with drinks and cake and barbecues and player casting and joking around. So this begs the question - WHY are these players even THERE in person? So that they can play with less lag, and more jet lag? A worthy cause, but in no universe is it worth as much as they're paying for it. Now this was all before they brought up PPV, and this in-between second-stage-qualifier pseudo-live event already looked like one of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard. There didn't seem to have any meaningful purpose or logic behind it's existence. It was just kinda there, suspiciously thrown in between two other stages of the season that actually do make sense. Then the PPV drama hits, and you learn that they're actually charging money for the weird pseudo-live-but-essenitally-online second-stage-qualifier tournament and my mind was completely blown at that point. First that they're literally charging money for the most nonsensical out of the 3 events they have per season which was questionable even while it was (presumed to be) free. I would actually understand it more if they charged $20 for the actual season finals - which IS a live event, does have all the hype and atmosphere that comes with a big crowd, is at a reliable venue, and is at the final and most important event of the season, one that will crown the actual champion, where we can see moments like Boxer's or MMA's. That would almost be worth the $20 (but only as a fan, not objectively). But no. MLG instead decides to charge money for a middle-of-the-line, half-assed event where we'll be staring either at the casters or at the game almost all the time, with maybe an occasional interview in some room with a gloomy atmosphere, and Generic MLG Music intervals. And they don't even seem to bother with the promotion - the only attention and hype this event is getting is created by the PPV debates. Their bracket "show" most certainly didn't show off stellar production and was short and all-round boring. There's a ton of stuff that they do that makes them come off as amateurs. And for me personally, that's perfectly fine. I'm the last person that wants to see hard-core cold professionalism in something that's my hobby, even if it meant having perfectly smooth events. However the problem is that MLG constantly swings between acting like amateurs and trying to act like a legitimate business. They can't seem to decide whether they're asking for donations to help them keep running events, or they're selling a product that should be evaluated on its own merit. Listening to Adam and Sundance, it sounds like they want it to be both, or neither. If they're trying to sell things, I want to at least hear about all the awesome things I'm going to see, but instead I heard most about how money is a problem, how this had to be done, how nobody is making any money, how the scene must grow, how players need to be paid, etc. Their claims that they believe what they're offering is worth $20 at the end of those rants didn't seem very convincing at all, but I suppose we'll have to see about that. Honestly, with the premises of the event (a pseudo-live event with players only) I can't even IMAGINE an ideal event that would actually be worth $20 while other, actual live events, are free to watch. You would pretty much have to be infinity times better than them, and with MLG's record, I'm not even sure if they can be better at all. This post is brilliant. | ||
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Blade Fox
United States215 Posts
On February 23 2012 06:07 MLG_Adam wrote: Already in the works We'll have staff at the official MLG Barcraft, Legends in NYC. We'll be doing crowd interviews, crowd shots, etc.Haha, damnit I thought I was being smart too. Well played sir. Also I get it.. | ||
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ShinobiX
Germany33 Posts
On February 23 2012 06:07 MLG_Adam wrote: Already in the works We'll have staff at the official MLG Barcraft, Legends in NYC. We'll be doing crowd interviews, crowd shots, etc.How exactly is that improving your situation, money-wise? Even if I assume that people are really going to love the crowd interviews and a report about a barcraft without being there, they are already tuned in... so this is not increasing anything. It's not even half as interesting as Day 9 talking gibberish about his haircut. And he does THAT kind of stuff for free, whenever he is in front of a camera. Assuming he is paid for his casting, not his comedy... The main issue I have is this constant "We are promoting eSport" mantra, when all I see is variations of exploiting the same target group. I'm a simple person and in my simple terms, the case is this: If you want to really improve your income, you will need to increase the viewership numbers dramatically. No matter if you make your money with adverts or PPV or whatever model you can think up. But circling around the teamliquid viewer crowd (aka the usual suspects) is not going to improve much. You may increase your income by a margin, sure, but the real money is outside the box. Yes, I am aware not every viewer you have is from teamliquid, but the community centers around this site and I have a big suspicion your main viewership does, too. I have no idea, what kind of numbers you usually had last year, but I bet you a box of lemons that it wasn't anywhere near a half assed sports event. And that is where you want to be, if you want to promote eSport. To quote Vin Diesel: "Stop thinking prague police, start thinking playstation. BLOW SHIT UP!" Stop being satisfied with what, 100k viewers or whatever? Start aiming for the millions. Make it a national event, get those fucking tv companies interested. And not by nerding them out, mind you. That is where you will find the big bucks. If you cannot get ANY TV company to take enough interest in this to make it financially sound, then eSport will NEVER get on its feet and some people in this "industry" (or is it just a profitable hobby for a handful and a very expensive one for the rest?) will wonder in 10 years where it all went south. We can all argue which money making model is the best, but unless you start thinking big, you will only shift around small numbers, is all I'm saying. I'm really just an outsider, and I can tell you the "eSport scene" right now looks like an amateurish slugfest competing for a very, very limited number of viewers and I don't see any kind of marketing AT ALL but on eSport sites, where we can safely assume the people already know what eSport is about. Oh well, I hope I haven't offended anyone. As I said, I'm really not into anything here, so this is really just a work of opinion without any hard facts. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:30 ShrikeG wrote: So was I, it's because it went up on Youtube. So.... at 2:08:16 in the youtube video there is a cut. What? Why was the VOD edited? I am assuming there was no interruption during the live broadcast. Jeff was right in the middle of talking about coL's new lineup and then BOOM cut to the end of the show. What? EDIT: Just checked this also occurs in the MP3. What was going on? | ||
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