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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 23 2012 04:55 GMT
#41381
xsplit crashed a few times
svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
February 23 2012 04:56 GMT
#41382
On February 23 2012 13:52 Rayeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 03:30 ShrikeG wrote:
So was I, it's because it went up on Youtube.



So.... at 2:08:16 in the youtube video there is a cut. What? Why was the VOD edited? I am assuming there was no interruption during the live broadcast.

Jeff was right in the middle of talking about coL's new lineup and then BOOM cut to the end of the show. What?

X-split crashed a couple of times during the broadcast.
Kizmmit
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia9 Posts
February 23 2012 05:10 GMT
#41383
On February 23 2012 02:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 02:49 farvacola wrote:
On February 23 2012 02:47 jammedk wrote:
I just want to explode every time I hear MLG people's rationales.

"We just did'nt change the terms because... they are the same as they have been for 5 years. THAT'S why."
"There isn't room for media. What do you want me to do?"

How about UPDATING your terms and conditions? How about finding a plausible venue?

It's just so amateur hour, it boils the piss in my bladder. You want to stage a viable professional tournament? A PPV one at that? How about acting as professionals from the get-go?!?!

And how is the expected 10% who is willing to pay, ever going to produce a profitable business case?

Hopefully you and the other butthurt cheap fans have exploded bladders that stop the endless TL tirade of whining.


There is no profession sport that doesn't charge someone for showing their events.


Are you actually that stupid? No really, did you suffer a concussive blow to the temple when you wrote that?

User was temp banned for this post.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
February 23 2012 16:26 GMT
#41384
I love how Tyler and Incontrol poked fun at the Sundance interview on Lo3.
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
February 23 2012 17:18 GMT
#41385
This SOTG was a sad episode... Isn't there a joke like: We are indy? Oh yeah it is a joke. It was a biased episode where some eploye had again the chance to fix MLGs issues as in LO3 (which was more objective). Maybe the crew was tired of talking about this issue... but why invite this guy then? For me it appears as nobody of the big names in american esports wants to say some critical words against his friends or at least busines partners if they get some critic from TL. This is sad to watch - so i shut the window and didnt watch the rest of this episode.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
February 23 2012 23:46 GMT
#41386
On February 24 2012 02:18 Destroyr wrote:
This SOTG was a sad episode... Isn't there a joke like: We are indy? Oh yeah it is a joke. It was a biased episode where some eploye had again the chance to fix MLGs issues as in LO3 (which was more objective). Maybe the crew was tired of talking about this issue... but why invite this guy then? For me it appears as nobody of the big names in american esports wants to say some critical words against his friends or at least busines partners if they get some critic from TL. This is sad to watch - so i shut the window and didnt watch the rest of this episode.

I think you think independent = shit on MLG. That's not what it means. Believe it or not, they can be independent and still support MLG.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
February 24 2012 00:54 GMT
#41387
The best part is when Tyler and Geoff trolling Adam.

I just don't get how MLG comes to the decision they make. Do they pick random ideas from a hat? I get it they want to try the PPV model. I get it (lol), but how pointless is it to fly the players in, pay for their expenses, and NOT have a live audience? They compare it to an UFC event. Guess what? UFC has a LIVE AUDIENCE. From spectator point of view, seeing it live in person is totally different. Watching online will not have the same emotionally engaging experience and atmosphere as being there in person. Calling this an "arena" is quite ironic. Futhermore, they allow players to bring a person to the event, yet they claim there's no space for the media. WTF?

If I were MLG, I would have live crowd, a small one like those in the MTV unplugged series, so more of an intimate environment. The layout can like the one from the Pringles MSL with the crowd around the competing players in the middle. They can also sell tickets at a higher price point than the stream-only ticket. Give gold members exclusive rights to purchase tickets pre-sale, before releasing tickets to the general public. This is of course without knowing how big the MLG office is, but i'm just throwing an idea out there.

I want MLG to do well, but I feel like they are taking way too much risk with the arena thing.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 24 2012 01:07 GMT
#41388
It's so weird, everytime someone tries to confront an MLG employee/whatever about any issue they just say "yeah of course we know that's messed up, lol"
But then why do it in the first place? I don't understand anything anymore. I'm in Bizarro-world now.

They decide to do a live event and fly the players in. Nice of them. But what is the point of a live event without live audience? Not even media? Might as well do it online and charge 10$ instead. Did they even think about it?

My brain asplode
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 24 2012 01:20 GMT
#41389
On February 24 2012 10:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's so weird, everytime someone tries to confront an MLG employee/whatever about any issue they just say "yeah of course we know that's messed up, lol"
But then why do it in the first place? I don't understand anything anymore. I'm in Bizarro-world now.

They decide to do a live event and fly the players in. Nice of them. But what is the point of a live event without live audience? Not even media? Might as well do it online and charge 10$ instead. Did they even think about it?

My brain asplode

Why do people even ask this question? Online tournaments are never ideal. Player conditions are never equal. Cross-server play is a joke. Remember TSL3? Remember how all the Koreans lost? It wasn't because the foreigners are that good. It was because of lag in cross server play. Whether people like to admit it or not, that is the truth. Also, time zones. Euro's and Koreans would be screwed on the times they play.

not to mention, MLG will be pushing out other live content with the players in NYC.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 01:33:48
February 24 2012 01:26 GMT
#41390
Why even invite these MLG guys on the show if they refuse to give any real answers. Everything he said was vague, and he didn't give a single real number (which Incontrol rightfully trolled him on, not sure if he got the joke). Do us a favor JP and if you are not going to be able to pressure a guest for real answers because they are your employer (understandable) don't invite them on the show, otherwise you are just doing unpaid PR for a company that decided to stop supporting the show.

LO3 did a much better job last week. One thing I would ask that neither show did, is that if your website is admittedly a piece of shit, what are you actively doing right now to change that?
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
February 24 2012 01:28 GMT
#41391
On February 24 2012 10:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's so weird, everytime someone tries to confront an MLG employee/whatever about any issue they just say "yeah of course we know that's messed up, lol"
But then why do it in the first place? I don't understand anything anymore. I'm in Bizarro-world now.

They decide to do a live event and fly the players in. Nice of them. But what is the point of a live event without live audience? Not even media? Might as well do it online and charge 10$ instead. Did they even think about it?

My brain asplode

well if they are at MLG headquarters, it makes sense no audience, and even no press, its not like they'll have the room for it.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2012 19:03 GMT
#41392
On February 24 2012 10:26 Duravi wrote:
Why even invite these MLG guys on the show if they refuse to give any real answers. Everything he said was vague, and he didn't give a single real number (which Incontrol rightfully trolled him on, not sure if he got the joke). Do us a favor JP and if you are not going to be able to pressure a guest for real answers because they are your employer (understandable) don't invite them on the show, otherwise you are just doing unpaid PR for a company that decided to stop supporting the show.

LO3 did a much better job last week. One thing I would ask that neither show did, is that if your website is admittedly a piece of shit, what are you actively doing right now to change that?


What real answers did you want? Why is the venue so small? Its MLG's main office and they don't have space. Why not a bigger venue? Its pretty much implied that they are trying to keep costs low. What is a win for them in numbers? Guess what, no business releases their numbers unless forced to(aka going public) and they would release those in a press release, not on state of the game. Adam did answer that they were well ahead of projections, which is short code for "we are on the way to a win". Why are they not fixing the website? They likely are, but that will take time and have said they cannot do it instantly and it is in flux. Why no pandora during the event? He pretty much cleared that up with, we want to control was comes in through our fire wall. Why can they force players to wear a MLG shirt? Because they don't want you on stream shirtless in a utila-kilt.

Pressing people for answers is fine, but the guys on SotG know that Adam is limited in what he can say. Employees can get fired for release information to the public that they were not supposed to. Although I doubt that MLG would ever seek termination for a botched press release, it still looks bad. Pressing an employee for an answer you know they cannot provide is not a good way to do interviews and can make a business not want to send people on your show.

Also, JP decided to pull SotG off of MLG to allow them to be more independant. I am sure it was also because MLG was not getting the return they wanted from SotG and JP did not want to change the format as well. He openly admits that the topic of MLG is an awkward one and he tries to avoid talking when it is discussed. That is the most anyone can ask of JP and expecting him to simply avoid MLG is a topic is unreasonable. It is a huge event and it needs to be talked about.

Personally I am sort of over all of the MLG drama and asking them to justify every move they had made. I like the show more when it is about which nerd is going to smash who and why Artosis loves Mech so much.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
February 27 2012 12:00 GMT
#41393
I wonder if we will get a show this week...
tarodotoxin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States110 Posts
February 27 2012 12:01 GMT
#41394
I wonder if JP will have an official overlay next episode...
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
February 27 2012 12:05 GMT
#41395
On February 24 2012 10:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's so weird, everytime someone tries to confront an MLG employee/whatever about any issue they just say "yeah of course we know that's messed up, lol"
But then why do it in the first place? I don't understand anything anymore. I'm in Bizarro-world now.

They decide to do a live event and fly the players in. Nice of them. But what is the point of a live event without live audience? Not even media? Might as well do it online and charge 10$ instead. Did they even think about it?

My brain asplode

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure if they knew before doing it that it wouldn't work then they wouldn't have done it
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
February 27 2012 12:05 GMT
#41396
On February 27 2012 21:01 tarodotoxin wrote:
I wonder if JP will have an official overlay next episode...

There is an official overlay. It's just all gradient like :D
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
February 27 2012 12:06 GMT
#41397
On February 24 2012 10:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's so weird, everytime someone tries to confront an MLG employee/whatever about any issue they just say "yeah of course we know that's messed up, lol"
But then why do it in the first place? I don't understand anything anymore. I'm in Bizarro-world now.

They decide to do a live event and fly the players in. Nice of them. But what is the point of a live event without live audience? Not even media? Might as well do it online and charge 10$ instead. Did they even think about it?

My brain asplode



Look up venture capital.
Torra
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway469 Posts
February 27 2012 12:17 GMT
#41398
No show schedueled this week?
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
February 27 2012 14:13 GMT
#41399
When's the next episode?

I'm hoping for tomorrow yes
"En taro adun, Executor."
FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
February 28 2012 09:29 GMT
#41400
State of the Game, the most inconsistent show in esports.
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