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On November 30 2011 14:42 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:41 SCST wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 Serpico wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 SCST wrote:On November 30 2011 14:28 Forikorder wrote:@idrajit
Greg Fields lose focus as a player and you lose a match and the tournament. lose focus as a caster and you sound awkward for a few seconds @idrajit
Greg Fields players around match times should be untouchable i lvoe IdrA @Idra you are a player in someone else's tournament, playing to win money provided by someone else. Respect their rules and respect their employees or go play somewhere else. Tournaments and Sponsors are going to make it that simple. You can bitch and whine all day long about it, but you are not in charge. Unbelievable that anyone would be so selfish and egotistical. I hope that players like Idra and Naniwa test a major tournament on being rude and get banned and lose any change at a prize. They need to made an example of. Players dont make money regardless if they cant focus on actually playing the game. Tournaments should do their best to help players put on a good show. However, there is a very simple solution for players who bitch about their tournament not being a perfect experience: don't play in tournaments. Unless your conditions at the tournament are different than the conditions set for other players, you have no advantage or disadvantage in your game. Everyone is experiencing the same thing. You don't see pro football players bitching and whining "waaa it's too cold in the stadium turn up the heat because I might get hurt waaa". No, they play the game because BOTH sides are experiencing the same conditions. Umm, traditional sports except basketball/volleyball etc have almost always been built around having weather being an element into play since their creation.
Yes, and waiting patiently 5 minutes before a game starts and not spamming casters and being a bitch can also be built into the culture of Starcraft 2. It's not that hard. Really, it isn't. Waiting for a game to start does not cause you physical pain, it does not "punish" you. If it throws players off their game so much, then maybe players should "train" and "practice" the art of waiting 5 minutes. Unbelievable how people are defending these egomaniacs.
And egomaniacs applies to the few players who actually can't handle tournament conditions and have the balls to whine about it. Most players are humble competitors who know that they are guests in a professional competition and are playing for money. Most players aren't emotionally unstable like Idra or Naniwa, and most players are not who I'm ranting about it. It's the few outspoken, childish and yet talented players who say this shit that causes such controversy and drama.
And yet people still defend them, saying things like "without Idra there would be no tournament. What laughable nonsense. There needs to be banhammer for players in tournaments like Artosis mentioned. Can't wait for it myself.
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On November 30 2011 14:46 GhostKorean wrote:
Does SotG talk about strategy and metagame anymore at all? Recently coming back and there's absolutely nothing about anything in the actual game
sometime like during a new patch announced or some big games/torunys
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NASL solution: Follow the TSL format or something similar. Plenty of content but more interesting than a longer league system.
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On November 30 2011 14:47 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:42 Serpico wrote:On November 30 2011 14:41 SCST wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 Serpico wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 SCST wrote:On November 30 2011 14:28 Forikorder wrote:@idrajit
Greg Fields lose focus as a player and you lose a match and the tournament. lose focus as a caster and you sound awkward for a few seconds @idrajit
Greg Fields players around match times should be untouchable i lvoe IdrA @Idra you are a player in someone else's tournament, playing to win money provided by someone else. Respect their rules and respect their employees or go play somewhere else. Tournaments and Sponsors are going to make it that simple. You can bitch and whine all day long about it, but you are not in charge. Unbelievable that anyone would be so selfish and egotistical. I hope that players like Idra and Naniwa test a major tournament on being rude and get banned and lose any change at a prize. They need to made an example of. Players dont make money regardless if they cant focus on actually playing the game. Tournaments should do their best to help players put on a good show. However, there is a very simple solution for players who bitch about their tournament not being a perfect experience: don't play in tournaments. Unless your conditions at the tournament are different than the conditions set for other players, you have no advantage or disadvantage in your game. Everyone is experiencing the same thing. You don't see pro football players bitching and whining "waaa it's too cold in the stadium turn up the heat because I might get hurt waaa". No, they play the game because BOTH sides are experiencing the same conditions. Umm, traditional sports except basketball/volleyball etc have almost always been built around having weather being an element into play since their creation. Yes, and waiting patiently 5 minutes before a game starts and not spamming casters and being a bitch can also be built into the culture of Starcraft 2. It's not that hard. Really, it isn't. Waiting for a game to start does not cause you physical pain, it does not "punish" you. If it throws players off their game so much, then maybe players should "train" and "practice" the art of waiting 5 minutes. Unbelievable how people are defending these egomaniacs. And egomaniacs applies to the few players who actually can't handle tournament conditions and have the balls to whine about it. Most players are humble competitors who know that they are guests in a professional competition and are playing for money.
you havent sat in the booth and been in there shoes so dont try to pretend youve walked a mile in them
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On November 30 2011 14:46 IdrA wrote:
both casters and players are important, the biggest casters and the biggest players are nearly essential for a tournament that wants success on the scale of an mlg/ipl/dreamhack. but players roles around game time tend to be far more sensitive, especially among the biggest players like me, huk, naniwa. and thats not a coincidence. if you're not very on edge and emotionally invested in the game you're not gonna be that good. players have a lot more to lose from these problems and as the players performance is important to the tournament they should be babied.
That sounds good, but the casters aren't the ones who can do that, you have to talk to the tournaments to get that. I understand that players mostly interact with casters and that's where they are venting their frustration, but the proper channel is to get your team managers with you and talk to the tournament organizers with all the teams united to put pressure on them to give you guys more accurate play times and better breaks.
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The reason I want a smaller delay between NASL games and their broadcast is because I want to see the latest strategies. Shit changes pretty fast in SC2. 4 weeks or whatever makes a big difference.
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On November 30 2011 14:46 IdrA wrote:
both casters and players are important, the biggest casters and the biggest players are nearly essential for a tournament that wants success on the scale of an mlg/ipl/dreamhack. but players roles around game time tend to be far more sensitive, especially among the biggest players like me, huk, naniwa. and thats not a coincidence. if you're not very on edge and emotionally invested in the game you're not gonna be that good. players have a lot more to lose from these problems and as the players performance is important to the tournament they should be babied.
You're not understanding what Artosis said, he is calling out the players that take out their stress/anxiety by flaming/bashing casters in the game lobby, which is completely unacceptable.
The casters performance is extremely important for the tournament too, with stressed out casters very few to no people would watch.
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On November 30 2011 14:46 IdrA wrote:
both casters and players are important, the biggest casters and the biggest players are nearly essential for a tournament that wants success on the scale of an mlg/ipl/dreamhack. but players roles around game time tend to be far more sensitive, especially among the biggest players like me, huk, naniwa. and thats not a coincidence. if you're not very on edge and emotionally invested in the game you're not gonna be that good. players have a lot more to lose from these problems and as the players performance is important to the tournament they should be babied.
boot geoff's ass off the chair and come on the show!!
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Haha, Tyler playing Skyrim.
LIKE A BOSS!!!
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About nasl, I'm not sure it's the oversaturation. I mean, we have GSL 5 days a week (well, 4 days now, but it was 7 days at one point), and I'd never miss a GSL if I'm in front of my computer while it's broadcasted, whil sometimes even if the nasl is live, I won't even open the stream.
I think it's a mix of not live and all games not that important. 2 weeks old games can also lead to outdated strategies. When I watch GSL I know that I'll see what modern starcraft is about. And I want to know which player is in form now and not a month ago like someone said rightly.
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On November 30 2011 14:46 IdrA wrote:
both casters and players are important, the biggest casters and the biggest players are nearly essential for a tournament that wants success on the scale of an mlg/ipl/dreamhack. but players roles around game time tend to be far more sensitive, especially among the biggest players like me, huk, naniwa. and thats not a coincidence. if you're not very on edge and emotionally invested in the game you're not gonna be that good. players have a lot more to lose from these problems and as the players performance is important to the tournament they should be babied.
Nobody's arguing against this point dude, but the proper way to handle it isn't to bitch out the casters because you or naniwa or huk is frustrated. That's all Artosis was saying.
If there's an issue with the tournament, ask Scoots to go to the tournament admins and give them hell on all of your behalf, and it might actually get sorted out.
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Woah, I used all this music in an assignment like a year ago.
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On November 30 2011 14:50 MrCon wrote:
About nasl, I'm not sure it's the oversaturation. I mean, we have GSL 5 days a week (well, 4 days now, but it was 7 days at one point), and I'd never miss a GSL if I'm in front of my computer while it's broadcasted, whil sometimes even if the nasl is live, I won't even open the stream.
I think it's a mix of not live and all games not that important.
Ya NASL group stage games are really low stakes, which means it's really easy for us to just check results and only watch the grand finals.
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On November 30 2011 14:48 AndAgain wrote:
The reason I want a smaller delay between NASL games and their broadcast is because I want to see the latest strategies. Shit changes pretty fast in SC2. 4 weeks or whatever makes a big difference.
ya its really unaceptable, i remember watching an IdrA game after (cant remeber the tourny now dreamhack i tihnk) and in the interview hes saying how hes going to that tournament later on
its annoying seeing your player doing well and thinking "whoa hes playing well he might do well at this event coming up" then learning he was actually doing well a month ago
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On November 30 2011 14:47 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:42 Serpico wrote:On November 30 2011 14:41 SCST wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 Serpico wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 SCST wrote:On November 30 2011 14:28 Forikorder wrote:@idrajit
Greg Fields lose focus as a player and you lose a match and the tournament. lose focus as a caster and you sound awkward for a few seconds @idrajit
Greg Fields players around match times should be untouchable i lvoe IdrA @Idra you are a player in someone else's tournament, playing to win money provided by someone else. Respect their rules and respect their employees or go play somewhere else. Tournaments and Sponsors are going to make it that simple. You can bitch and whine all day long about it, but you are not in charge. Unbelievable that anyone would be so selfish and egotistical. I hope that players like Idra and Naniwa test a major tournament on being rude and get banned and lose any change at a prize. They need to made an example of. Players dont make money regardless if they cant focus on actually playing the game. Tournaments should do their best to help players put on a good show. However, there is a very simple solution for players who bitch about their tournament not being a perfect experience: don't play in tournaments. Unless your conditions at the tournament are different than the conditions set for other players, you have no advantage or disadvantage in your game. Everyone is experiencing the same thing. You don't see pro football players bitching and whining "waaa it's too cold in the stadium turn up the heat because I might get hurt waaa". No, they play the game because BOTH sides are experiencing the same conditions. Umm, traditional sports except basketball/volleyball etc have almost always been built around having weather being an element into play since their creation. Yes, and waiting patiently 5 minutes before a game starts and not spamming casters and being a bitch can also be built into the culture of Starcraft 2. It's not that hard. Really, it isn't. Waiting for a game to start does not cause you physical pain, it does not "punish" you. If it throws players off their game so much, then maybe players should "train" and "practice" the art of waiting 5 minutes. Unbelievable how people are defending these egomaniacs. And egomaniacs applies to the few players who actually can't handle tournament conditions and have the balls to whine about it. Most players are humble competitors who know that they are guests in a professional competition and are playing for money.
... If you were a player and you lost a game in a tournament you don't want to wait 5 minutes for the next game you want to just play and get it done. It can throw you off having to wait 5 minutes. You wouldn't know if its hard because you don't play in tournaments nor know how it feels. I don't either but you can't make statements saying "its not that hard" when thats like saying to a smoker "its not that hard to quit you just stop". Doesn't work that way.
While I don't think players should be bm'ing casters or vice versa, I do think what needs to happen is tournaments should be running commercials before the series, and after in a box series. I don't see the need for a 5 minute commercial time between every single game that is played. Maybe in the finals every 2-3 games and semi's sure that is acceptable but in the early portion of the tournament for sure I don't know but I can see why players wouldn't want to wait 5 minutes after every single game, especially if they just lost...
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I don't hear JP anymore, I hear everyone except JP, is it normal ?
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As I said, Huk's and Idra's point is absolutely right. Players are the most important thing to a tournament, we watch the games mostly because of them, and they shouldn't have any problem to do their best.. But, Artosis' point is different.
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On November 30 2011 14:48 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:46 IdrA wrote:
both casters and players are important, the biggest casters and the biggest players are nearly essential for a tournament that wants success on the scale of an mlg/ipl/dreamhack. but players roles around game time tend to be far more sensitive, especially among the biggest players like me, huk, naniwa. and thats not a coincidence. if you're not very on edge and emotionally invested in the game you're not gonna be that good. players have a lot more to lose from these problems and as the players performance is important to the tournament they should be babied. That sounds good, but the casters aren't the ones who can do that, you have to talk to the tournaments to get that. I understand that players mostly interact with casters and that's where they are venting their frustration, but the proper channel is to get your team managers with you and talk to the tournament organizers with all the teams united to put pressure on them to give you guys more accurate play times and better breaks.
He didn't really say it was the casters fault, he was just saying that the players should be treated as more important. I think really the problem stems down to tournaments trying to fit too many matches in too short a time span. You never hear about time constraints at things like invitationals, really its the structure of a tournament that needs changing.
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On November 30 2011 14:50 MrCon wrote:
About nasl, I'm not sure it's the oversaturation. I mean, we have GSL 5 days a week (well, 4 days now, but it was 7 days at one point), and I'd never miss a GSL if I'm in front of my computer while it's broadcasted, whil sometimes even if the nasl is live, I won't even open the stream.
I think it's a mix of not live and all games not that important.
The GSL having a better group of players and live games allows for the oversaturation. They're in different scenarios because they have people in booths and live events every day possible.
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