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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 05:30:40
November 30 2011 05:29 GMT
#36401
I think both are right, but it's ultimately the tournaments organizers's responsibility to make those things right. A floorman should be here to inform the players of the breaks duration.
Casters that are invited in the game but don't join are terribly rude, too.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
November 30 2011 05:29 GMT
#36402
maybe they should put punching bags and some gloves in every booth to vent some stress
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
November 30 2011 05:30 GMT
#36403
This isn't about casters vs players, it's a very simple point that is getting convoluted with rhetoric: don't be rude, ever

There is no reason or excuse for anyone to be rude or unprofessional at these tournaments.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 30 2011 05:30 GMT
#36404
On November 30 2011 14:28 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
@idrajit
Greg Fields lose focus as a player and you lose a match and the tournament. lose focus as a caster and you sound awkward for a few seconds

Show nested quote +
@idrajit
Greg Fields players around match times should be untouchable


i lvoe IdrA


I'll add FXOBoSs comment to this, which is again very very true.

FXOpeneSports FXOpen e-Sports
@
@idrajit lose stream and tournament. Lose player income. The circle keeps going unfortunately... Have to find a median.


"The Circle keeps going.."
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
November 30 2011 05:31 GMT
#36405
On November 30 2011 14:08 Zidane wrote:
My guess - Naniwa for sure, maybe Idra, definitely that Juan guy.



that juan guy LOL, he's not lalush dude
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
November 30 2011 05:31 GMT
#36406
On November 30 2011 14:29 Forikorder wrote:
maybe they should put punching bags and some gloves in every booth to vent some stress


I think that's actually been proven to not work. You're better off sitting and quietly having a cup of tea. Hitting a punching bag mostly just makes people more angry and wound up.
Dozle
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada147 Posts
November 30 2011 05:31 GMT
#36407
This proves everyone secretly hates each other in the sc2 scene

Everything is so fake
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
November 30 2011 05:31 GMT
#36408
On November 30 2011 14:29 MrCon wrote:
I think both are right, but it's ultimately the tournaments organizers's responsibility to make those things right. A floorman should be here to inform the players of the breaks duration.
Casters that are invited in the game but don't join are terribly rude, too.


If they don't join, theres a good reason.

They don't not join to be a douchebag, get real.

This is about anxious/tense/stressed out players raging at casters in the lobby.
Kamikazess
Profile Joined February 2011
Brazil400 Posts
November 30 2011 05:32 GMT
#36409
The whole point Artosis ranted about, in the beginning, was players being offensive and rude to casters. This is way different from what Huk or Idra are talking about.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
November 30 2011 05:32 GMT
#36410
i wasnt agreeing as mcuh with IdrA as saying how mcuh i ♥ his comments

i think casters and players are equally important and both need to be treated well and there has to be some more ways to accomodate both sides like maybe something likeadjusting commercials and shifting the schedule just a bit there and there to get them into the game faster
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 30 2011 05:33 GMT
#36411
On November 30 2011 14:31 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 14:29 MrCon wrote:
I think both are right, but it's ultimately the tournaments organizers's responsibility to make those things right. A floorman should be here to inform the players of the breaks duration.
Casters that are invited in the game but don't join are terribly rude, too.


If they don't join, theres a good reason.

They don't not join to be a douchebag, get real.

This is about anxious/tense/stressed out players raging at casters in the lobby.

Of course when they don't join it's not on purpose. Sometimes for instance in MLG Day9 is showing a replay while being invited. It's good for the viewers, it's terrible for the players.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 30 2011 05:33 GMT
#36412
too much nasl, stopped watching, but have paid to watch finals. too much ipl, stopped watching. oversaturated in my mind. but i like the option to watch vods of my player when the fan clubs say games were good.
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
November 30 2011 05:34 GMT
#36413
I'm disappointed with Incontrol change of point of view when he learned that one of his partner was the one that bmed tasteless but 5 minutes before when Artosis said that a player bmed tasteless, he couldn't believe it...
growl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States203 Posts
November 30 2011 05:34 GMT
#36414
Great point by incontrol about the nasl. Definitely an oversaturation right now, at least for me that's why I watch it a lot less than I used to.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
November 30 2011 05:35 GMT
#36415
On November 30 2011 14:28 Mohdoo wrote:
JP saying that no one is to blame..

..

..

....

I gotta say, I am really disappointed with JP trying to completely shift conversation away from blaming tournaments. It is really disrespectful to both the hosts and the viewers. If there is a problem, and the way JP seemingly goes "OH SHIT" and tries to steer conversation away, there is one, he shouldn't be trying to shush it.

What is so wrong with admitting that sometimes tournaments are too unorganized and treat players poorly as a result? Players waiting around for 15 minutes is a fault of the tournament admins. Plain and simple. They are the ones organizing everything and it is *THEIR* fault. I know that it is a tough thing to do, but some tournaments do it better than others. Everyone talks about how well the IPL treated the players. Why aren't others doing it then?


As I said, JP is just trying to defend MLG when clearly MLG is one of the major sources of stress between casters and players. MLG is notorious for being terrible for letting players know when they actually play, and that makes them angry and the only people they see are casters so they take it out on the casters.

MLG needs to have much stricter play times and spread them out more so players have time to eat, go to the washroom, and be able to get back to the booth and not have to wait more than 5 minutes before playing.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 30 2011 05:35 GMT
#36416
It's not really anyone's fault, but the whole process does need to be streamlined. That can only happen as long as the different parties communicate with each other and give constructive feedback. The problem right now is that the players don't really have a unified voice to speak through, as well as the fact that there are so many unique events & organisers. Hopefully these things can be solved as the industry develops and representitive bodies start forming.

Anywho, as long as the casters remain neutral and courteous, they should definitely not be the target of anyone's frustration.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 05:37:17
November 30 2011 05:35 GMT
#36417
Yeah seems like different things.

Idra/Huk are complaining about casters who don't accept invites ( with good reason or not), casters who might sometimes be rude or ignorant. That is different from what Artosis complained about

Artosis main point seems to be that he encountered players who take out frustration on casters without the caster doing anything wrong. An example being when caster A said : hold on we will start the game in 2 minutes because we are having commercial, the player immediately started the game out of spite saying " Why should we wait for you when we are ready? We are the important ones"

That's not the caster doing anything wrong. That's just the player being a jerk.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 05:38:51
November 30 2011 05:37 GMT
#36418
On November 30 2011 14:35 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 14:28 Mohdoo wrote:
JP saying that no one is to blame..

..

..

....

I gotta say, I am really disappointed with JP trying to completely shift conversation away from blaming tournaments. It is really disrespectful to both the hosts and the viewers. If there is a problem, and the way JP seemingly goes "OH SHIT" and tries to steer conversation away, there is one, he shouldn't be trying to shush it.

What is so wrong with admitting that sometimes tournaments are too unorganized and treat players poorly as a result? Players waiting around for 15 minutes is a fault of the tournament admins. Plain and simple. They are the ones organizing everything and it is *THEIR* fault. I know that it is a tough thing to do, but some tournaments do it better than others. Everyone talks about how well the IPL treated the players. Why aren't others doing it then?


As I said, JP is just trying to defend MLG when clearly MLG is one of the major sources of stress between casters and players. MLG is notorious for being terrible for letting players know when they actually play, and that makes them angry and the only people they see are casters so they take it out on the casters.

MLG needs to have much stricter play times and spread them out more so players have time to eat, go to the washroom, and be able to get back to the booth and not have to wait more than 5 minutes before playing.

i think it was on inside the game but i think it was idra who said tehy should ahve some little gadget that does off when a player has to play so you arent say... watching a teamate play while being called for your consolation match and miss it

MLG is simply too huge they need some sort of filtering process so they dont ahve 250+ people all trying to paly at the same time

i really think every teram needs to band together and have some sort of group or agent taht can take all there opinions and go directly to tournament organizers and say "this is whats wrong, this is what we want we are willing to boycot this event if we dont see you moving towards soemthing better"
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
November 30 2011 05:37 GMT
#36419
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2011 14:28 Mohdoo wrote:
JP saying that no one is to blame..

..

..

....

I gotta say, I am really disappointed with JP trying to completely shift conversation away from blaming tournaments. It is really disrespectful to both the hosts and the viewers. If there is a problem, and the way JP seemingly goes "OH SHIT" and tries to steer conversation away, there is one, he shouldn't be trying to shush it.

What is so wrong with admitting that sometimes tournaments are too unorganized and treat players poorly as a result? Players waiting around for 15 minutes is a fault of the tournament admins. Plain and simple. They are the ones organizing everything and it is *THEIR* fault. I know that it is a tough thing to do, but some tournaments do it better than others. Everyone talks about how well the IPL treated the players. Why aren't others doing it then?

I don't think anything was wrong with him doing this because honestly he is right. It was turning into a A points finger at B who points finger at C who points finger at A situation. Should tournaments do more, sure but still the players should be expected to at least deal with a little bit of delays cause they are only natural at this stage.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 05:38:20
November 30 2011 05:37 GMT
#36420
On November 30 2011 14:28 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
@idrajit
Greg Fields lose focus as a player and you lose a match and the tournament. lose focus as a caster and you sound awkward for a few seconds

Show nested quote +
@idrajit
Greg Fields players around match times should be untouchable


i lvoe IdrA


@Idra you are a player in someone else's tournament, playing to win money provided by someone else. Respect their rules and respect their employees or go play somewhere else. Tournaments and Sponsors are going to make it that simple.

You can bitch and whine all day long about it, but you are not in charge.

Unbelievable that anyone would be so selfish and egotistical. I hope that players like Idra and Naniwa test a major tournament on being rude and get banned and lose any chance at a prize. It might be entertaining to see these players bad-mouth and verbally attack people occasionally, but if Starcraft 2 is going to grow then it needs to end. They need to made an example of.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
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