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dmans
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden358 Posts
October 17 2011 09:30 GMT
#33561
nee to bring up the cheer cannon, have the pillars meet her? was she nice? was she there on sunday to?
Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
October 17 2011 09:59 GMT
#33562
Why are people discussing how good Bomber is in relation to the protoss when neither Huk nor MC got to face him? He got eliminated by TheStc(T) and Idra(Z).

Huk and MC where both in the group with 5 protoss and 1 zerg.

Huk beat 3 Protoss and July 2-0 in group
He then beat MKP 2-0 and TheStc 2-1, followed by another protoss.

MC beat 3 Protoss in groups
He then beat 4(!) Terrans, Rain 2-0, Puma 2-1, MKP 2-1, TheStc 2-1
He also beat 2 Zerg, Ret 2-0, Idra 2-1.

Trying to argue balance with huks 3 series versus non-protoss is pointless, both MKP and TheStc also lost to MC so they could have had a bad TvP day.

MC on the other hand did exceptionally well, unfortunately I missed all his non-PvP games except the pretty close one vs TheStc so I do not know what happened in them.
jammedk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark315 Posts
October 17 2011 11:52 GMT
#33563
On October 17 2011 18:59 Alvar wrote:
Why are people discussing how good Bomber is in relation to the protoss when neither Huk nor MC got to face him? He got eliminated by TheStc(T) and Idra(Z).

Huk and MC where both in the group with 5 protoss and 1 zerg.

Huk beat 3 Protoss and July 2-0 in group
He then beat MKP 2-0 and TheStc 2-1, followed by another protoss.

MC beat 3 Protoss in groups
He then beat 4(!) Terrans, Rain 2-0, Puma 2-1, MKP 2-1, TheStc 2-1
He also beat 2 Zerg, Ret 2-0, Idra 2-1.

Trying to argue balance with huks 3 series versus non-protoss is pointless, both MKP and TheStc also lost to MC so they could have had a bad TvP day.

MC on the other hand did exceptionally well, unfortunately I missed all his non-PvP games except the pretty close one vs TheStc so I do not know what happened in them.


What I don't get, is why on earth all of this is being discussed in the official state of the game thread, in the first place...
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
October 17 2011 12:24 GMT
#33564
Did Stotg happen at MLG ? I was expecting to find Vods ....
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
October 17 2011 12:30 GMT
#33565
On October 17 2011 20:52 jammedk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 18:59 Alvar wrote:
Why are people discussing how good Bomber is in relation to the protoss when neither Huk nor MC got to face him? He got eliminated by TheStc(T) and Idra(Z).

Huk and MC where both in the group with 5 protoss and 1 zerg.

Huk beat 3 Protoss and July 2-0 in group
He then beat MKP 2-0 and TheStc 2-1, followed by another protoss.

MC beat 3 Protoss in groups
He then beat 4(!) Terrans, Rain 2-0, Puma 2-1, MKP 2-1, TheStc 2-1
He also beat 2 Zerg, Ret 2-0, Idra 2-1.

Trying to argue balance with huks 3 series versus non-protoss is pointless, both MKP and TheStc also lost to MC so they could have had a bad TvP day.

MC on the other hand did exceptionally well, unfortunately I missed all his non-PvP games except the pretty close one vs TheStc so I do not know what happened in them.


What I don't get, is why on earth all of this is being discussed in the official state of the game thread, in the first place...

Same actually, I even forgot what thread I was reading :p
Spell_Crafted
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States192 Posts
October 17 2011 12:34 GMT
#33566
On October 17 2011 21:24 Gotmog wrote:
Did Stotg happen at MLG ? I was expecting to find Vods ....


Nope, it didn't. JP posted a blip about it on his twitter Friday night, I believe, but that's about it. Honestly, I just wish they would have put a little more word out about it. Although, I do understand that he's probably been ridiculously busy the past week. It's not a demand, just a wish.

JP, I'll <3 as soon as you have time to produce more content. You're my favorite diamond leager. (or are you masters now? =O)
이드라 화이팅
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 12:40:53
October 17 2011 12:39 GMT
#33567
Are people in this thread still bashing JP for not having a SOTG show this week/weekend. Any possible chance we could get a mod in here and start warning/banning the people who keep coming in here and complaining.

Give the guy a fucking break, it is something that he built on the side with his friends. He got 4 other people to join in and have fun (they might get paid but even if they do it's barely anything) but everyone has steal that away and making it out to be like it should be his main focus. Plus with all the traveling the cast members do, do they not deserve a break for a second or should they just be our puppets and do as we please every waking minute?

SOTG doesn't pay the bills and sometimes hes going to have to step away for a week in order to complete other tasks. I personally think everybody should be praising these guys for the 3 hours of entertainment they give us when they have the time because frankly its fucking hilarious.

Just want to say sorry ahead of time for any grammar problems that occur in this post. I have been up for 24 hours writing papers for university and my eyes are killing me. I have class in a few hours and said fuck it to sleep. Main point. Just thank the guy he puts this much effort into the community, most of you wouldn't if you had the chance.

Thanks for everything JP and crew! keep up the good work!

Edit: I didn't mean this at every single person, I know lots of you feel the same way I do. It is just directed at the negative assholes!
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
October 17 2011 13:02 GMT
#33568
On October 17 2011 21:34 Spell_Crafted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 21:24 Gotmog wrote:
Did Stotg happen at MLG ? I was expecting to find Vods ....


Nope, it didn't. JP posted a blip about it on his twitter Friday night, I believe, but that's about it. Honestly, I just wish they would have put a little more word out about it. Although, I do understand that he's probably been ridiculously busy the past week. It's not a demand, just a wish.

JP, I'll <3 as soon as you have time to produce more content. You're my favorite diamond leager. (or are you masters now? =O)

Ah, ok. To bad.
Thank you
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
October 17 2011 14:19 GMT
#33569
I want my SOTG
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
October 17 2011 14:26 GMT
#33570
On October 17 2011 18:59 Alvar wrote:
Why are people discussing how good Bomber is in relation to the protoss when neither Huk nor MC got to face him? He got eliminated by TheStc(T) and Idra(Z).


Sase 2-1 Bomber
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
October 17 2011 14:55 GMT
#33571
On October 17 2011 12:26 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 12:16 AxelTVx wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:56 -Winter- wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:48 AxelTVx wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:14 Renent wrote:
Curious how the crew writes this off as protoss still being UP....


I dont see why not. Yes this MLG had the most competition but the competition was at a B+ level skill from the koreans. We didnt see MVP MMA Nestea Losira or other amazing terrans that would be gategorized as A level. Not to take anything away from Huk's win but without Any of the A level players being at this MLG you cant change anything on balance atm. As much as foreigners dont want to admit it, korea is still further ahead. But now it's at a point where there are 3 levels of koreans. The bad, the good, and the amazing. At the level that our foreigners are at now, the TOP foreigners only qualify to be in the good section. As much as I want to say Huk is in the amazing section, he's not. Hopefully he will be one day and win a GSL.



Polt was there, he's a pretty good Korean Terran. I think Bomber was there too. Puma's pretty good as well. Are the only people you consider to be "Class A MMA, MVP, Nestea, and Losira?

If thats the case, then take another look at Polt, he's pretty damn good- he 4-0'd MMA in the Super Tournament earlier this year.

Before you casually dismiss every tournament that doesn't have one of your 4 top players in it look at the player pool before you decide that only the low class Koreans showed up.


I did look at them. However they're just not on the same level they are now as MVP or Nestea.

Polt: Yes he was good. But he's been falling and not doing as well as he was in the past. He's been inconsistant in many tournaments. You say he crushed MMA in the super tournament? That was a long time ago. Look at MC a few months back he was considered the best. People fall.

Bomber: Yes he was good here. His macro was impecable but his decision making wasnt as high as it should have been. He threw away units way too much and if he improved his mindset he would have beaten IdrA. Moreover, he's also known for being inconsistant. To be a top player you HAVE to be consistant. Look at MC he was amazing but dropped down low.

Puma: Yes he was amazing during the NASL finals when MC was doing great. But look at his play recently. Against protoss he's been slacking and winning with mostly 1/1/1. You cant compare him to MVP. In each match up MVP has him beat. In addition, look at the IEM v IdrA. They were amazing games but he made so many mistakes it wasnt what a top class player should be doing. He left an infestor kill so many scvs. MVP nor MMA would have let that happen.

MC: He's regaining his momentum and I hope that he dkes well but his decision making was terrible in many games. Since his fall, he's been doing terribly in manh tournaments. Now look back and read what I sais before you say Im saying MC's no skilled. He's coming back. But it doesn't mean he's the best.

Tournaments: When did I say I casually dismissed them? They're amazing achievements. I watched all. However they just didnt have the high level of skill there is in the GSL.

Really I'm not saying foreigners suck, but I think people are over hyping the idea that the foreigners are equal to koreans. Just look at the korean players in attendance at these events and compare them to to the players in korea who are regarded as "the best"


*long sigh*

The best Koreans? There's like...four of them. You're saying that every event they aren't at is B level?

No one is saying foreigners are the equal of Koreans. But certainly it is proved that they are closing the gap, they can take series and now tournaments off of them. The dull prospect of Koreans flying around the world winning everything is now a thing of the past - our scene can compete.

We don't have an MVP and a Nestea but well...the Koreans only have two of them. How do I put this...the Korean scene is a lot bigger than those two players. The are exceptional - literally, they are exceptions, not the standard Korean. Therefore foreigners don't have to beat them to be considered competitive with Koreans.

The fact that you're using this idea to back up that protoss is still UP is just weird. Bomber, TheSTC, MarineKing, Puma; all top Korean terrans with great TvP. All lost to protoss players this MLG. oGsTOP lost 3-0 at IEM to some random NA protoss no one has heard of before (Gatored, btw, really impressive PvT).

Are you literally saying that before we collectively change our minds on PvT balance, a protoss has to beat MVP in a Bo7 or something? Because that would be ridiculous. 7
Protosses are beating great terrans. They don't have to be beating the best terran for the match up to be stabilising.


Yeah I agree and guys remember that not even other koreans beat MVP or NesTea lol, so why should be foreigners be able to? They're the best, dosnt mean that foreigners cant compete just because they arent beating those 2, cus no one cant compete with an "in the zone" mvp.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 17 2011 18:06 GMT
#33572
On October 17 2011 23:26 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 18:59 Alvar wrote:
Why are people discussing how good Bomber is in relation to the protoss when neither Huk nor MC got to face him? He got eliminated by TheStc(T) and Idra(Z).


Sase 2-1 Bomber

Bomber could pretty much afford to lose that game I think. He had a perfect record before meeting sase and sase had lost before facing bomber. Thats why even though sase won bomber still advanced at top of group. If bomber won he still advances top of group.
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
October 17 2011 18:42 GMT
#33573
On October 18 2011 03:06 T0fuuu wrote:
Bomber could pretty much afford to lose that game I think. He had a perfect record before meeting sase and sase had lost before facing bomber. Thats why even though sase won bomber still advanced at top of group. If bomber won he still advances top of group.


Yeah Bomber gave 2 out of 3 of those games to SaSe because he liked his hat. Why do people keep making posts made of stupid like this. You either play to win or you don't, I'm pretty sure Bomber is not the kind of guy who goes to tournaments to lose games when he doesn't absolutely HAVE to win them.
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Sorter
Profile Joined July 2011
170 Posts
October 17 2011 18:46 GMT
#33574
On October 17 2011 21:34 Spell_Crafted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 21:24 Gotmog wrote:
Did Stotg happen at MLG ? I was expecting to find Vods ....


Nope, it didn't. JP posted a blip about it on his twitter Friday night, I believe, but that's about it. Honestly, I just wish they would have put a little more word out about it. Although, I do understand that he's probably been ridiculously busy the past week. It's not a demand, just a wish.

JP, I'll <3 as soon as you have time to produce more content. You're my favorite diamond leager. (or are you masters now? =O)

Yeah, he is a master level random player.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 17 2011 18:53 GMT
#33575
On October 17 2011 21:39 Shelke14 wrote:
Are people in this thread still bashing JP for not having a SOTG show this week/weekend. Any possible chance we could get a mod in here and start warning/banning the people who keep coming in here and complaining.

Give the guy a fucking break, it is something that he built on the side with his friends. He got 4 other people to join in and have fun (they might get paid but even if they do it's barely anything) but everyone has steal that away and making it out to be like it should be his main focus. Plus with all the traveling the cast members do, do they not deserve a break for a second or should they just be our puppets and do as we please every waking minute?

SOTG doesn't pay the bills and sometimes hes going to have to step away for a week in order to complete other tasks. I personally think everybody should be praising these guys for the 3 hours of entertainment they give us when they have the time because frankly its fucking hilarious.

Just want to say sorry ahead of time for any grammar problems that occur in this post. I have been up for 24 hours writing papers for university and my eyes are killing me. I have class in a few hours and said fuck it to sleep. Main point. Just thank the guy he puts this much effort into the community, most of you wouldn't if you had the chance.

Thanks for everything JP and crew! keep up the good work!

Edit: I didn't mean this at every single person, I know lots of you feel the same way I do. It is just directed at the negative assholes!
I don't think people are bashing for not having a stog (perhaps some do)
Most people are frustrated to be promised sotg that don't happen without even hearing a word about that.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 17 2011 18:57 GMT
#33576
Dreamhack Summer = MLG Orlando. Dreamhack was played in June, btw. A couple of individual players does not equate to the entire scene; people need to stop conflating the two.

RTS games, like poker, are games of limited information. Just like making good reads doesn't guarantee being right in every single hand, practicing 8 hours a day doesn't guarantee a win at every tournament. There is something called variance; however, the poker players who are good will win more than they lose in the long run, and it's the same way in this game. There's a reason why the Koreans still took 11 out of the top 15 spots at Orlando, even if one didn't win.

Hell, even in BW, where we all agree that the skill gap is much larger, demigods like Savior still dropped games to Sen and Mondragon.
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
October 17 2011 19:01 GMT
#33577
On October 18 2011 03:06 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 23:26 The KY wrote:
On October 17 2011 18:59 Alvar wrote:
Why are people discussing how good Bomber is in relation to the protoss when neither Huk nor MC got to face him? He got eliminated by TheStc(T) and Idra(Z).


Sase 2-1 Bomber

Bomber could pretty much afford to lose that game I think. He had a perfect record before meeting sase and sase had lost before facing bomber. Thats why even though sase won bomber still advanced at top of group. If bomber won he still advances top of group.


You don't give away wins when there are extended series rules.
<3
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 17 2011 19:27 GMT
#33578
On October 18 2011 03:53 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 21:39 Shelke14 wrote:
Are people in this thread still bashing JP for not having a SOTG show this week/weekend. Any possible chance we could get a mod in here and start warning/banning the people who keep coming in here and complaining.

Give the guy a fucking break, it is something that he built on the side with his friends. He got 4 other people to join in and have fun (they might get paid but even if they do it's barely anything) but everyone has steal that away and making it out to be like it should be his main focus. Plus with all the traveling the cast members do, do they not deserve a break for a second or should they just be our puppets and do as we please every waking minute?

SOTG doesn't pay the bills and sometimes hes going to have to step away for a week in order to complete other tasks. I personally think everybody should be praising these guys for the 3 hours of entertainment they give us when they have the time because frankly its fucking hilarious.

Just want to say sorry ahead of time for any grammar problems that occur in this post. I have been up for 24 hours writing papers for university and my eyes are killing me. I have class in a few hours and said fuck it to sleep. Main point. Just thank the guy he puts this much effort into the community, most of you wouldn't if you had the chance.

Thanks for everything JP and crew! keep up the good work!

Edit: I didn't mean this at every single person, I know lots of you feel the same way I do. It is just directed at the negative assholes!
I don't think people are bashing for not having a stog (perhaps some do)
Most people are frustrated to be promised sotg that don't happen without even hearing a word about that.

If they didn't hear a word about it, thats their fault. Various MLG people tweeted about it.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
October 17 2011 19:30 GMT
#33579
When is the next episode planned to be aired? I can't find the info anywhere
mattjkim
Profile Joined May 2011
United States34 Posts
October 17 2011 23:21 GMT
#33580
On October 18 2011 04:30 DrainX wrote:
When is the next episode planned to be aired? I can't find the info anywhere


Wait till its announced. ITMEjp that's two strikes buddy, first the late video uploads and now the lies about a live sotg. You have some making up to do.
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