EPTI haven't watched enough Lucifron to say if he's good or bad, but his builds going into the game definitively seemed like a bad move to me.
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
I haven't watched enough Lucifron to say if he's good or bad, but his builds going into the game definitively seemed like a bad move to me. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On September 18 2011 18:34 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Who made the legend in the first place? Garimto beating BoxeR, and plus you forgot that Jangbi BROKE THE KONG LINE!!!!1! | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:06 ronpaul012 wrote: Come on, was it really Lucifron not putting turrets in the right position? No. It was his openings. When your playing a ZvT master like DRG, I feel as if the best thing to do is something crazy. Not opening up as standard as you can, which is what he did. A 2 rax and reactor hellion opening for the 2 games? I'm sure DRG has never seen those before and practiced exactly what to do... I haven't watched enough Lucifron to say if he's good or bad, but his builds going into the game definitively seemed like a bad move to me. Why is opening up standard a bad move? If that's where a player plays his best then it is the best move. Standard is standard for that exact reason. It doesn't rely on gimmicks. It's purely how you play. Sure he could have gone for some gimmicky opening in order to try throw DRG off and gain an advantage that way but to say you have to be "different" in order to beat a player like DRG isn't really true. You just have to be up to his level in the standard. | ||
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PrObeLife
Australia22 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:06 ronpaul012 wrote: Come on, was it really Lucifron not putting turrets in the right position? No. It was his openings. When your playing a ZvT master like DRG, I feel as if the best thing to do is something crazy. Not opening up as standard as you can, which is what he did. A 2 rax and reactor hellion opening for the 2 games? I'm sure DRG has never seen those before and practiced exactly what to do... I haven't watched enough Lucifron to say if he's good or bad, but his builds going into the game definitively seemed like a bad move to me. His builds were fine, but he got put behind early in both games by not doing what the builds are meant to do. 2 rax is meant to force lings or to kill the natural hatch, not to lose marines, scvs and bunkers for free. Watch Nada for how to excecute fake 2 rax and Marineking/SC for aggressive 2 rax. Reactor hellions are great for map control but if you ever lose the hellions without destroying a considerable amount of drones, then you are very far behind. Watch MVP vs DRG for the perfect use of hellions. | ||
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flowSthead
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kuroshiro
United Kingdom378 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:13 PrObeLife wrote: What do you guys think bout POLT coming out and talking about reasons why are so many terrans in code S? link? | ||
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aFganFlyTrap
Australia212 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:09 Numy wrote: Why is opening up standard a bad move? If that's where a player plays his best then it is the best move. Standard is standard for that exact reason. It doesn't rely on gimmicks. It's purely how you play. Sure he could have gone for some gimmicky opening in order to try throw DRG off and gain an advantage that way but to say you have to be "different" in order to beat a player like DRG isn't really true. You just have to be up to his level in the standard. but stepping up to his level takes time and practice. At the moment they played, I'd agree Lucifron would have had a better chance of winning if he used more unorthodox builds. | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
This was said in the group selections for the next GSL. Basically Polt said that Terran is an easy race to play, and thats why there are so many of them in the GSL. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:06 ronpaul012 wrote: Come on, was it really Lucifron not putting turrets in the right position? No. It was his openings. When your playing a ZvT master like DRG, I feel as if the best thing to do is something crazy. Not opening up as standard as you can, which is what he did. A 2 rax and reactor hellion opening for the 2 games? I'm sure DRG has never seen those before and practiced exactly what to do... I haven't watched enough Lucifron to say if he's good or bad, but his builds going into the game definitively seemed like a bad move to me. Eh. You probably have a good politican point of view, but you lack understanding of the game. If your good enough as terran you can definitely play very solid. You dont need to cheese. If you open reactor hellions and your better than your opponent you can win, its as simply as that. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:42 slicknav wrote: This was said in the group selections for the next GSL. Basically Polt said that Terran is an easy race to play, and thats why there are so many of them in the GSL. ... and some didn't deserve to be there, so he wanted to knock some of them down. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:55 aebriol wrote: ... and some didn't deserve to be there, so he wanted to knock some of them down. The group selections where they talk smack as a rule? I don't think I'm gonna lose any sleep if I completely dismiss that one. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:48 Medrea wrote: I wouldn't even call it a balance whine. It's just a simple statistic really. Ok, then don't call it a balance whine. It's still a comment on balance, which isn't allowed in live report threads. It's not a statistic, either. It's not even a fact. It's an exaggeration of a trend. It wouldn't be appropriate even if the thread in which it appeared was about balance. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:24 aFganFlyTrap wrote: he normally opens reaper into blue flame and for some reason he opens a terrible 2 rax that does nothing and then the 2nd game he opened reactor hellion and just lost them for no major gains. these are huge/major mistakes. when he plays that poorly you cant say he was "outclassed" if he chose his normal builds and played to his potential the end result might of still been the same but it wouldnt of been because of DRG so called "outclassing by default". he killed himself basically This was my feeling as well. DRG is the better player, clearly, but Lucifron just didn't play the kind of Starcraft I've come to know him for. Really disappointing.  | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On September 19 2011 05:36 MrBitter wrote: This was my feeling as well. DRG is the better player, clearly, but Lucifron just didn't play the kind of Starcraft I've come to know him for. Really disappointing. Lucifron was probably quite intimidated knowing that he was playing one of the best ZvT's in the world at the moment. A lot of people choke when they play against someone they know is undoubtedly better than them. | ||
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Krallman
Sweden713 Posts
 I think all sotg-fans would appreciate that! | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
have you ever considered pursuing having Morrow as a guest on the show? He could fill both T/Z gaps for a balanced discussion, and since he may have one of the best zvp in the world maybe he can teach the protoss a thing or two. although the time zone difference sucks | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:08 mikyaJ wrote: Garimto beating BoxeR, and plus you forgot that Jangbi BROKE THE KONG LINE!!!!1! Damn you guys for spoiling the OSL for me :/ | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
More at 11. This is SC2news. | ||
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