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Tomorrow is tuesday, so I'm guessing the next episode is tomorrow?
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On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now.
I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me.
But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly.
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On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly.
Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there.
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On August 30 2011 07:46 Pants10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly. Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there.
So if you sponsored a show you would leave it up to the hosts how often they had to be on air? The only reason its probably acceptable now is because most of the time it was off air was due to MLG travel
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On August 30 2011 08:13 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 07:46 Pants10 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly. Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there. So if you sponsored a show you would leave it up to the hosts how often they had to be on air? The only reason its probably acceptable now is because most of the time it was off air was due to MLG travel
JP would have never agreed to a sponsorship that didn't fit the shows needs. Going off air because of travel to various tournaments is to be expected for SotG.
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On August 30 2011 08:17 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:13 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:46 Pants10 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly. Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there. So if you sponsored a show you would leave it up to the hosts how often they had to be on air? The only reason its probably acceptable now is because most of the time it was off air was due to MLG travel JP would have never agreed to a sponsorship that didn't fit the shows needs. Going off air because of travel to various tournaments is to be expected for SotG.
Im not saying he has to be on every week no matter what. But consistency would be nice no? If i was to sponsor a show i would like it to be on a regular schedule
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On August 30 2011 08:35 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:17 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 30 2011 08:13 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:46 Pants10 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
"I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free."
Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly. Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there. So if you sponsored a show you would leave it up to the hosts how often they had to be on air? The only reason its probably acceptable now is because most of the time it was off air was due to MLG travel JP would have never agreed to a sponsorship that didn't fit the shows needs. Going off air because of travel to various tournaments is to be expected for SotG. Im not saying he has to be on every week no matter what. But consistency would be nice no? If i was to sponsor a show i would like it to be on a regular schedule
It is on every tuesday except the week before MLG for very obvious reasons.
They said that there would be a SotG at MLG they also said it would be around 30 mins
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Why isn't this episode free yet? All the vods of the games are free now, so why can I not watch mlg's sotg without a membership?
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On August 30 2011 08:35 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:17 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 30 2011 08:13 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:46 Pants10 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:
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"I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free."
Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly. Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there. So if you sponsored a show you would leave it up to the hosts how often they had to be on air? The only reason its probably acceptable now is because most of the time it was off air was due to MLG travel JP would have never agreed to a sponsorship that didn't fit the shows needs. Going off air because of travel to various tournaments is to be expected for SotG. Im not saying he has to be on every week no matter what. But consistency would be nice no? If i was to sponsor a show i would like it to be on a regular schedule
Its impossible for it to be on a regular schedule. This is just a side project for these guys. All of them need to put practice/tournaments/casting and other stuff above sotg because that's what they are paid to do so. Its not like they just do have the show For no reason. The recent shows missed have been due to multiple or all the hosts being at events.
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On August 30 2011 08:57 Arkless wrote:
Why isn't this episode free yet? All the vods of the games are free now, so why can I not watch mlg's sotg without a membership?
it wasn't anything special, we heard about the casters favorite matches on the first day. First day didn't offer as many matches as the other days so it wasn't anything too worth while. Then they brought some MLG guys and they talked about how they will change from 1 yearly season into 4 seasonal seasons and have a big tournament at the end of the year that is based on the results of those 4 seasons. They will also be upping the prize pool although we have no word on what it will actually be.
I'm sure most of what was said will be repeated tomorrow in the next SotG
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Hate to whine but i really can't understand how could take a week to upload a show...
I can understand that you cannot always meet on a schedule to give us a show but when you do it doesn't seem very hard to (or get somebody to) upload it within a matter of hours...
Sorry again if i whine but i see it as an extremely quick thing to do that could benefit many non US viewers
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Next Show: Wednesday, Aug 31 3:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)
The next SoTG is tonight, should be a good one if they can get most of the pillars and any guest at all to show up. Nice job JP!
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Excited the show is on tonight. This will be the first one I've been able to watch live in a couple months, thanks to work. Luckily school is back next week so I don't work anymore. I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's opinion on the potential patch.
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cannot wait for tonights show =D
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On August 30 2011 08:35 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:17 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 30 2011 08:13 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:46 Pants10 wrote:On August 30 2011 07:34 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 05:28 CrivE wrote:On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:
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"I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free."
Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now. I realize that, nothing wrong with the humor on the show or how offensive (in some peoples opinion) the hosts can sometimes be. Thats exactly what makes the show attractive to me. But nothing wrong with for example being consistent. In fact i would think if a show get sponsored they would be REQUIRED to be on weekly. Well I think that shows you thought wrong because the show did get sponsored and it's not on weekly. It's crazy to think that a show with people from all over place who have to travel all over the world would be able to put the show on every week without missing one here or there. So if you sponsored a show you would leave it up to the hosts how often they had to be on air? The only reason its probably acceptable now is because most of the time it was off air was due to MLG travel JP would have never agreed to a sponsorship that didn't fit the shows needs. Going off air because of travel to various tournaments is to be expected for SotG. Im not saying he has to be on every week no matter what. But consistency would be nice no? If i was to sponsor a show i would like it to be on a regular schedule
It's sponsored by MLG and the only reason he cancels shows is because he's doing other work for MLG. I don't see a problem here.
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Looking forward to the show tonight hoping for a sick guest ^_^
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Man shut the fuck up with the whining. SOTG owes you nothing. When every single host of the show are taking part in a major esports event, they are allowed to give a shorter show, no? Seriously, you expect too much.
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On August 31 2011 03:30 Lingy wrote:
Looking forward to the show tonight hoping for a sick guest ^_^
jp said no more guests unless the hosts cant make it.
if there is a guest, i wanna hear Idra about how he refused to play sheth for consolation matches (thats what day9 said).
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