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On August 30 2011 04:26 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 04:20 Karthane wrote:On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success. Wow. Are you serious? It's just some dudes talking in skype, Calm down, friend. That use to be true but the show is sponsored now, It should become more professional. I mean i dont agree with all the points, but most of that extra stuff can't be bad for the show
SOTG got sponsors for what the show is, not what it can be. I never even watch the vod, just listen to the audio. As long as they stay off the LoL/HoN discussions I'm perfectly happy the way it is now.
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On August 30 2011 05:19 opm1s6 wrote:Immature back and forth isn't helpful. I understand your view that you think it's just 5 guys on a webcam, but I think you're not looking at the ultimate goal of having a real league, a real media outlet and real journalists and casters. If the ultimate goal is to create real content that can bring people into esports and bring in advertisers, then more needs to be done. While there are surely excuses, that doesn't mean my opinions and expectations are unsubstantiated. I want a higher level of professionalism and if anyone thinks that's not good for SC2's growth in esports needs to give me some really good reason why that doesn't make sense. I don't think it's that much to ask for. Great question!
So you want to make sotg into something it isn't? Its a damn podcast with five friends who talk sc2 for our entertainment. The back and forth banter is what makes this show so original and great. The reason this show stands above the rest is the personalities that are on it. When the banter slowed down, the episodes before geoffs return, it wasn't the same. It wasn't quite sotg.
Any lack of professionalism in sotg isn't hurting esports. Why would mlg put its name behind sotg if it was?
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1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports.
They tried this for like 2 weeks. The show without Geoff sucked hard. It was literally "lets go in a circle, and JP will ask us questions" With Geoff back the show is funny, you get the players opinions, and most people are happy.
The show be boring and informational hurts E-Sports. XD
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hope they go through the entire open bracket, groups, championship bracket this week!
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For the next episode I hope there will be a lot of MLG and GSL talk.
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@itmejp : will there be a show tuesday?
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On August 30 2011 04:18 opm1s6 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 13:17 Plansix wrote:On August 27 2011 14:15 CurtisC wrote:
That wasn't sotg. That was the guys from sotg talking about the tournament they are all casting for a few minutes. No talk of patch notes? No talk of the state of the game at all? Just the caster's (and incontrol's) opinions on the days games. gg. "I'm entitled to a full 2 hours of State of the Game, because that's what I expected. I don't care that they have been up for 7 hours and flew from all over the world to be here. I am a team liquid poster and want everything, now, for free." Seriously, people need to just be happy they get their free entertainment and enjoy it. Is TV free entertainment? It's not free entertainment. I spend my free time and have to go through commercials and ads to get this content. Even if the ads are minimal clearly someone benefits from these efforts or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it (in the form of sponsor-ships). Clearly the content providers don't see this as them providing it for free, but rather as creating value in attempt to build their own careers in esports. If episodes are this hard to get to, then my attention will turn to other content providers (ex. inside the game). It's really that simple: 1. I don't care how witty your banter is, or how charismatic your co-hosts are, ultimately I want the pros honest/logical opinions on events that happen in the game, and I don't want to have to wait two weeks to get it, nor search a stupid website with pathetic search capabilities for it. Team liquid is the clear door to all content sc2 related, but if you create a disconnect by going through MLG and at a minimum don't post links on TL, then don't be surprised if ultimately you see less ratings. Less ratings, means less ad revenue, which ultimately hurts esports. 2. Consistency is key to any show. This is part of what has made day9 so successful (amongst many attributes). I use to be able to guarantee that I'd get a Day9 Daily...daily! If you tell people there's going to be SOTG on the coming Friday, and then provide no way to know what time, or how to watch the vod, easily, not only do you annoy your base of viewers, but you show how unprofessional you are as a content creator. 3. I don't care who these guys are all that much. If TL decided to have a weekly skype call with Jinro, Sheth and Tyler, and posted it on blip, I'd be all over it like white on rice. How about a TL Tournament Roundup, but a video version with a host and some highlights of the game winning moments. The same is true if Destiny, Catz and Drewbie put something together or if someone did a Korean SC2 news cast. There is only so much of this content I have an appetite for and if I get these opinions more consistently in an attractive, easy to reach form, then I'll gravitate towards that show. The model is easy to recreate, even if it doesn't have the rage/imba talk or whatever foolishness that magnifies the entertainment value of SOTG. Live on Three has gained some ground because of the personalities, but also because it has a central location that I can go to, to watch the content without having to work for it. I just wish it was also more consistent. I say this as a fan hoping that JP gets his *hit together and starts putting content up regularly and packages it a lot better. I'm glad to see the skype window issues have subsided, but if he's hoping to contribute and be part of the growth of esports, he needs to go up a few levels. The show needs to have better references for the viewers (maybe highlights of games discussed), more discussion of what made the difference in the game if it applies to trends in play, and finally just a better polish. His role as caster, and media outlet in some form needs to really get stepped up, and hopefully be the example for others in this fledgling industry. Again I say this with the true hope that SOTG finds eternal success.
That would be a legit concern if:
A) Onemoregame.tv would actually upload their shit. There isn't a single VOD uploaded to that site since end of July 24-August 4. They're behind a month and JP isn't. Sounds to me like SOTG is doing incredibly fine with that whole "content production" thing. OMG might be producing content, but no one can see it past the live airing date as of now, so SOTG has the win on this one, especially considering SOTG never made itself out to produce more content than itself.
B) Live on Three, that podcast you offered as an example of the purity that SOTG can obtain, hasn't had a VOD uploaded in 4 weeks. JP has the August 16th episode uploaded. Once again, win.
C) That SOTG they had at MLG was so short because they were balls tired from an entire day of casting/playing. If you want them to gank their chances at being professional tomorrow because they were up producing 2 hours of content for you when they should be sleeping, sure. But you would have bitched in the Live Reply thread that they weren't being professional because they were producing free content instead of getting ready for the job everyone got memberships and MLG paid them to do.
This is nothing more than the old hilarious saying "Do it or someone else will." Calm down, JP is doing fine in any kind of reasonable rubric. But, you know, if you think he's killing eSPORTS then don't watch. Just go to Onemoregame.tv and get all of those VODs that they haven't uploaded in three weeks.
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I think you guys are all taking this way too seriously. When I am listening to SotG, I feel happy. When I am not listening to SotG, I feel less happy, and look forward to listening to SotG and feeling happy again.
Can't we just accept SotG as it is, given how massively entertained we all are by it? And if some of us aren't entertained by it, can't those people go watch something else instead of coming here to complain that two of the 100,000 hours of content that landed on the Internet this week wasn't precisely to their liking?
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just a thing
SOTG is a show about starcraft only.
LO3 is a show about esports in general.
People seems to dont get their main content is different.
if u wanna compare sotg with something compare it with weapon of choice, witch is the same main content
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Sorry for being slightly offtopic maybe, but can someone tell me, how/where to watch the latest SOTG vod? I got that it's in the VOD of Raleigh Day 1, but i can't find that and any video i tried to watch on the MLG website doesn't even start playing...
Thx.
edit: I do have an HD Pass for MLG.
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Wait people don't like SotG? WTH when did that happen, I always that this was the premiere SC2 podcast since the Beta. Most Podcast are boring as hell this one is actually pretty funny. 
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On August 30 2011 05:28 INFDexter wrote:
Where did everyone get this tremendous sense of entitlement?
I don't get it either, if you don't like the show, don't watch. Simple as that.
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I want SotG to morph into a Lurker. Lurkers plz
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On August 30 2011 05:53 JayJay_90 wrote:
Sorry for being slightly offtopic maybe, but can someone tell me, how/where to watch the latest SOTG vod? I got that it's in the VOD of Raleigh Day 1, but i can't find that and any video i tried to watch on the MLG website doesn't even start playing...
Thx.
edit: I do have an HD Pass for MLG.
Anyone? I desperately have been trying to find out where to listen :O
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On August 30 2011 05:28 INFDexter wrote:
Where did everyone get this tremendous sense of entitlement?
That's TL now for ya. Half the kiddies here will nitpick/whine about literally any tiny thing that isn't EXACTLY how they want it. It's pretty sad, especially when they whine to hell about FREE content. Half these kids raise hell about any glitch/lag in mlg/tsl/nasl/gsl casts, the match they want not being shown or cast by the caster they want (usually tastetosis), yadayada, meanwhile they don't buy the pass or anything for the tournaments, so they are being spoiled little brats over free entertainment. TL has become pretty sad in that regard.
State of the game is fucking free as it gets, there aren't even commercials. I can't believe there's someone writing up some page long whine about it like they're being forced to watch it at gunpoint.
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On August 30 2011 05:53 JayJay_90 wrote:
Sorry for being slightly offtopic maybe, but can someone tell me, how/where to watch the latest SOTG vod? I got that it's in the VOD of Raleigh Day 1, but i can't find that and any video i tried to watch on the MLG website doesn't even start playing...
Thx.
edit: I do have an HD Pass for MLG.
Look under 'Show Specials' on the VOD screen (or nearest category name)
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On August 30 2011 06:04 Huggerz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:53 JayJay_90 wrote:
Sorry for being slightly offtopic maybe, but can someone tell me, how/where to watch the latest SOTG vod? I got that it's in the VOD of Raleigh Day 1, but i can't find that and any video i tried to watch on the MLG website doesn't even start playing...
Thx.
edit: I do have an HD Pass for MLG. Look under 'Show Specials' on the VOD screen (or nearest category name)
thanks a lot!
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On August 30 2011 06:03 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:28 INFDexter wrote:
Where did everyone get this tremendous sense of entitlement? That's TL now for ya. Half the kiddies here will nitpick/whine about literally any tiny thing that isn't EXACTLY how they want it. It's pretty sad, especially when they whine to hell about FREE content. Half these kids raise hell about any glitch/lag in mlg/tsl/nasl/gsl casts, the match they want not being shown or cast by the caster they want (usually tastetosis), yadayada, meanwhile they don't buy the pass or anything for the tournaments, so they are being spoiled little brats over free entertainment. TL has become pretty sad in that regard. State of the game is fucking free as it gets, there aren't even commercials. I can't believe there's someone writing up some page long whine about it like they're being forced to watch it at gunpoint.
Vouch, I hope the hosts (those that still read this thread because of the density of dumbasses) are able to look past the people that feel entitled as shit for no reason.
Love the show and keep it up.
Looking forward to a discussion about the patch notes.
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They said last SotG it was only going to be short... they're not gonna have a 2 hour LIVE SotG when they are in the middle of the tournament..
And, opm, it seems to me like SotG isn't for you. SotG isn't meant to be some kind of super serious professional production
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1. State of the game is 100% free, 1 commercial break for 3 mins is concidered free for an hour and a half to three hours of content.
2. This is their show and they can do it how they want. "viewers will vote with their eyes"
3. No one forces you to watch state of the game.
4. I paid 30$ for a YEAR of mlg hq streams, i would have paid atleast twice that in a heartbeat.
5. TV is a awful example of anything because you pay for TV and still have to watch commercials
6. You are some dude of the fourms and you need to recognize that.
7. The amount of disrespect that people show twards something that is not given to them exactly the way they want for free is heartbreaking, it makes me lose faith in the world. Please understand what it takes for these people to produce, stream, record, and get everyone together. Its not free for them but they have a heart for e-sports to make it free for us. You are in no way allowed to complain. ever.
8. criticism tward the show to try to increase its viewer base is always welcome because you are helping the show, not just yourself.
9. They have the final say on what they do with the show, not you.
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