EPTDimaga may switch to Terran - Page 16
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Grond
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:25 Azarkon wrote: Well, Happy (UD) just beat Sky (HUM) 3-1 so... Sky is also past his prime TBH :3 Everyone agrees Undead is crap. Besides, Undead's main problem is with Orc and NE anyways ;\ | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
The game has been out for a few weeks and some people apparently consider it solved already. I rather leave balancing to the community because thats where the best balancing comes from at this point. New ways to play, new timings and new builds. Often subtle stuff that ends up having a huge impact. If blizzard is going to go in and tinker at this point there is the risk of it doing more harm than good. So you want to make ZvT easier when playing against mech. Awesome, then you also might want to make bio stronger against Z. Making even a slight change to either will have huge effects on other builds in this matchup, and on all the other matchups. You risk ending up with a World of Warcraft situation where balance is an illusion because blizzard tweaks balance every month. Instead of the game being balanced at any one instant, the OP class just jumps around from month to month with the game never being balanced at all. | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
On August 15 2010 04:16 Puosu wrote: Blizzard is taking their time for a reason, they're looking for the best possible changes they can make and not hasty ones like they had in the beta where they could afford to make mistakes. However it probably wont take more than a few weeks for the next balance patch to come out and that's probably less time than it would take for Dimaga to reach the same skill level as he has with zerg. (skill level, not rating boosted by being able to abuse terran) GOM being partners with Blizzard it makes sense for Blizzard to try to iron the balance before the tournament starts. I guess I do understand his concerns though, but imo. any race switching because of current imbalance(s) is overreacting before we reach a point Blizzard decides to start concentrating on another RTS title, the game will be changing at such a pace that if you follow the newest balance trend all the time its just going to be ridiculous and detrimental to one's skill level. Indeed, no way blizzard isn't going to fix terran or zerg in the near future (couple of weeks). It's not like 'marauders are OP' or 'roaches 1 supply 2 armor lol' I expect it to be quite a big patch, changing a lot of aspects. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:36 bokeevboke wrote: You might need to check recent Chinese Wc3 tournaments and take top4. I highly doubt you will find any undead. And also TeD who is top2 undead of the world was excluded from WE.Pepsi which implies that he was doing bad. Same could happen to Dimaga. My post meant that blizzard hasn't done any considerable balance changes in recent 4 years but undead didn't come up with some new tactics and continued at failing. So I think it is better to act now than waiting until all zergs will vanish. If I recall Ted beat other top Chinese players in the qualifiers for the WCG... And Happy showed again that UD isn't totally a lost cause. Remember that WC 3 has been out for eight years. BW, ten. SC 2 has been out for three weeks. It's too early to say anything certain about balance. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: This is sad news, and Blizzard really needs to pay attention to this kind of stuff =( Sky is also past his prime TBH :3 Everyone agrees Undead is crap. Besides, Undead's main problem is with Orc and NE anyways ;\ Perhaps you are right with respect to WC 3. I honestly think it's kind of an odd game, where everyone thinks Orc and NE are overpowered but still play races other than Orc and NE... But SC 2 is not WC 3. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Perkins1752
Germany214 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
People like IdrA just add fuel to the fire, when he doesnt have a clue about game design anyways, he's 1 guy, and is probably biased since he plays Zerg. You're turning these progamers into judges or something... If Dimaga plays A then B is bad. If IdrA whines about a Raven rush then everybody would call for nerfs about that, when infact none of this means anything. That doesnt mean that IdrA or Dimaga is wrong though. If you play competitive Starcraft as zerg, and you say that terran is OP, you probably couldnt be more biased since sc2 is your job. Infact, one of the last people i'd listen to about game balance would be IdrA, he's whiny, and he's biased. Blizzard game designers know way more about this, and they get paid to keep balance, so they probably know best. Personally i think there are balance issues with the game, but it's been out for less than a month it'll get fixed for sure. Also, it's a game. How people take these things so serious is beyond me, just calm down and play the game. I hate to see this turning into WoW where it's basically a bunch of kids screaming for nerfs and calling eachother fags and noobs. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:43 CatZ.root wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOL, be patient, brothers of the swarm. Blizzard shall do us justice. <3 Dmytro, way to send a message <3 are you now more of a root team manager or are you still playing a lot? if you are still palying a lot and sticking with zerg, nice! its really quite disheartening to see all these players switch race for balance issues. I can understand why with huge money to be won and sponsorships to maintain, but still...if people stuck to zerg maybe something would 'click' like it did for protoss in BW in pvz (forge FE). that took a looong time to perfect too I never really liked dimaga as a player though, seemed like an allin player from | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:40 Azarkon wrote: If I recall Ted beat other top Chinese players in the qualifiers for the WCG... And Happy showed again that UD isn't totally a lost cause. Remember that WC 3 has been out for eight years. BW, ten. SC 2 has been out for three weeks. It's too early to say anything certain about balance. You cannot compare SC2 and BW/WC3. Back then the balance wasn't a big issue. And there wasn't a community who were expecting competitive well balanced game. Actually BW made the community. Skills were different. People say that Grrrr would made only C- in ICCUP with his ~100 APM. But now gamers have grown and they know what is metagame. It is possible that we dont see some minor/invisible problems in the balance but we can fix the obvious ones. I don't think Blizzard knows better than us just because they have coded it. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Grel
Norway23 Posts
On August 15 2010 05:25 tacrats wrote: Nah. Terran just had to learn to use factories instead of massing bio. nice try. "mech is not viable !!!!" Plus that whole roaches getting nerfed thing. Really hurt quite a few zergs that were just mass roaching every game. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
gotta realize man. although recent events (kotick is gay) makes some of the video text a bit unreliable. personally i think terran is PERFECTLY balanced. but the other races just need a bit tweaking. | ||
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Traveler
United States451 Posts
The is no real imbalance between the races. http://sc2ranks.com/stats/all/1/100 Check out the statistics. | ||
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Kelberot
Brazil364 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:59 Traveler wrote: I seem to remember a certain zerg player doing extremely well at the high levels... hmm 85% win rate on the ladder anyone. Jeez, what was his name? Oh right, IdrA. The is no real imbalance between the races. http://sc2ranks.com/stats/all/1/100 Check out the statistics. Oh my god what a great argument! No one ever brought this up before in this thread! You're a genius! He's right guys, zerg is fine, l2p! | ||
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hoovehand
United Kingdom542 Posts
but then they'll start whining about something else. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On August 15 2010 07:02 hoovehand wrote: as a terran player, i'm hoping terran get nerfed just to stop all these scrubs whining and crying about it. but then they'll start whining about something else. Pretty much this. Terran will get nerfed and zerg players will still be losing and saying how zerg is still too weak. I think it is really the play style of the zerg players and not the race itself. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
and pps: 200 apm zerg losing to 70 apm terrans with no plan, no strategy, but with an unscoutable timing push thats extremely hard to defend. No plan other than to win with 20 scvs still on minerals. | ||
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