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Awesome work JP! Keep it up. Cant wait until the next one ^_^
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Very cool, i like this format of replay viewing for just casually viewing stuff, feels like jp is sitting next to me while i watch it
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I always thought 'why don't people make audio commentaries anymore'
they're imo much better than streamed casts
edit: I know this was just the first one but I used to enjoy the race-focused audio casts, just my input :D
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awesome :D
Good thing about 1 a day is you can keep a few in the bank if you get the urge for when you cant do one :D
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Awesome, used to love listening to/watching WC3 replays with this style years back. Will definitely check these out.
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You have done so much for the starcraft 2 community in such a short period of time. Keep it up!
For critique: Feels like your voice is often on the same level and its hard to note if you're excited for something or not. So when a big fight actually comes along its just another regular moment in the match - It shouldn't be. It should be the most important moment of the match and that should be reflected in your voice with excitement. It also feels like you're trying to be too exact in the fight moments and count X units instead of portraying the overall progress of the fights and what abilities are used and cute little micro tricks.
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On August 10 2010 22:47 Senx wrote:
You have done so much for the starcraft 2 community in such a short period of time. Keep it up!
For critique: Feels like your voice is often on the same level and its hard to note if you're excited for something or not. So when a big fight actually comes along its just another regular moment in the match - It shouldn't be. It should be the most important moment of the match and that should be reflected in your voice with excitement. It also feels like you're trying to be too exact in the fight moments and count X units instead of portraying the overall progress of the fights and what abilities are used and cute little micro tricks.
actually I disagree with that critique, excited and elevated voice is imho for livecasted tournament games, in this type of audio commentary I wouldn't mind excitment per say but I much prefer a calm and analytical approach, maybe even pausing the game at times etc.
basically day[9] would make awesome audio commentaries while tasteless makes awesome live casted tournament commentary, in my very humble opinion
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I'd just like to echo the appreciation of the big things you've been doing in the SC2 community.
Now, I understand that you would like to improve your solo casting so my gripe is not really so much about your quality as a caster but it is in the sound quality. I had to use my speakers because when I had my headphones on I heard all the little popping 'P' sounds from the microphone and also hear the crackling of saliva in your mouth. Usually your producer for something like the Day9 party or even with MLG handles that with you but now you're on your own. Get a wind screen for your mic if don't already have one and move it a wee bit further away from your face.
I'm wicked nit-picky about these kind of things and know that I'm more than likely in the minority. Just wanted to give my two cents, since this is kind of a learning experience for you.
Again, I can't echo enough how much I appreciate what you help do for e-sports and all the free entertainment you provide.
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EP2: RRU - EP1 - CheckPrime vs JustFake
What a beastly zerg 
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On August 10 2010 23:08 Midj wrote:
I'd just like to echo the appreciation of the big things you've been doing in the SC2 community.
Now, I understand that you would like to improve your solo casting so my gripe is not really so much about your quality as a caster but it is in the sound quality. I had to use my speakers because when I had my headphones on I heard all the little popping 'P' sounds from the microphone and also hear the crackling of saliva in your mouth. Usually your producer for something like the Day9 party or even with MLG handles that with you but now you're on your own. Get a wind screen for your mic if don't already have one and move it a wee bit further away from your face.
I'm wicked nit-picky about these kind of things and know that I'm more than likely in the minority. Just wanted to give my two cents, since this is kind of a learning experience for you.
Again, I can't echo enough how much I appreciate what you help do for e-sports and all the free entertainment you provide.
Oh wow thats terrible about being able to hear that. Which episode was this in? I'll work on fine-tuning that for sure as its unacceptable and disgusting! lol
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On August 10 2010 23:13 Nyx wrote:What a beastly zerg
also a terrible terran opponent  tech lab instead of reactor on factory for siege tank instead of helion and that first push would have been 10x more deadly
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Awesome work JP. Looking forward to more. Video commentaries are nice, but audio commentaries make you feel like you're actually watching the game.... well you kinda are but its a replay, but hey you get the point.
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I agree with Midj on the sound quality, I think it could be higher and I think if you can do that it would improve the cast quite a bit. I believe DjWheat or another experienced caster talked about microphone quality differences and the fact that good microphones cost quite a penny but do make quite a difference at the same time. I don't know how your setup is and what you want to invest. If I had better memory, I'd try and reference it.
Other than that, I was listening to your audio commentary (listened to the first two). And I would love to hear the sound of the game in the background, it would give a better feel what's going on. Your commentary, necessarily, is high level, you can't mention every single bullet fired, but the sound would add a lot of details. Sounds like a command center landing, battles with the different unit sounds... you mention about players building certain buildings, clicking them for their own unique sound would help with the focus of the listener.
I am also in agreement on the excitement thing. I view such an audio commentary as you do as something suitable for live casting. If I wanted analysis commentary on a game I would make sure I can see with my own eyes what's happening. But I can see the other camp's sanity on the issue as well Boils down to what we're all looking for.
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On August 10 2010 23:35 Badjas wrote:I agree with Midj on the sound quality, I think it could be higher and I think if you can do that it would improve the cast quite a bit. I believe DjWheat or another experienced caster talked about microphone quality differences and the fact that good microphones cost quite a penny but do make quite a difference at the same time. I don't know how your setup is and what you want to invest. If I had better memory, I'd try and reference it. Other than that, I was listening to your audio commentary (listened to the first two). And I would love to hear the sound of the game in the background, it would give a better feel what's going on. Your commentary, necessarily, is high level, you can't mention every single bullet fired, but the sound would add a lot of details. Sounds like a command center landing, battles with the different unit sounds... you mention about players building certain buildings, clicking them for their own unique sound would help with the focus of the listener. I am also in agreement on the excitement thing. I view such an audio commentary as you do as something suitable for live casting. If I wanted analysis commentary on a game I would make sure I can see with my own eyes what's happening. But I can see the other camp's sanity on the issue as well Boils down to what we're all looking for.
you do realize you're meant to be watching the actual replay while listening?
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Just watched episode 1, nice and clean, good cast.
Just one minor quip, you were a bit behind on catching buildings being placed down (ie. such as the forge and spine crawlers, They were 50%+ done building before you mentioned them, I can't recall if you were in a middle of a long comment and simply left them to be said later, but it's not a major problem, probably just the nature of where your camera was/wasn't)
About Game 3 (PvZ on Scrap Station)
+ Show Spoiler +Man it's like they don't like to tech, P stayed on gateway units ALL game, colossus would have been so good against the 9000+ spine crawlers, upgrades definitely won P the game though, the +3wep, +2armor blink stalkers were tearing through the Z army which had only +1carapace
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Nice replays and nice commentary, thanks for the work.
The only thing I would say is to try and make short stabs at information instead of continuously spewing information, especially considering the fact that the viewer is controlling the camera.
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On August 10 2010 23:51 Jameser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 23:35 Badjas wrote:I agree with Midj on the sound quality, I think it could be higher and I think if you can do that it would improve the cast quite a bit. I believe DjWheat or another experienced caster talked about microphone quality differences and the fact that good microphones cost quite a penny but do make quite a difference at the same time. I don't know how your setup is and what you want to invest. If I had better memory, I'd try and reference it. Other than that, I was listening to your audio commentary (listened to the first two). And I would love to hear the sound of the game in the background, it would give a better feel what's going on. Your commentary, necessarily, is high level, you can't mention every single bullet fired, but the sound would add a lot of details. Sounds like a command center landing, battles with the different unit sounds... you mention about players building certain buildings, clicking them for their own unique sound would help with the focus of the listener. I am also in agreement on the excitement thing. I view such an audio commentary as you do as something suitable for live casting. If I wanted analysis commentary on a game I would make sure I can see with my own eyes what's happening. But I can see the other camp's sanity on the issue as well Boils down to what we're all looking for. you do realize you're meant to be watching the actual replay while listening?
I know it's included, and that it is a feature, but I see the advantage of the audio commentary as not needing the video screen.
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On August 11 2010 01:16 Badjas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 23:51 Jameser wrote:On August 10 2010 23:35 Badjas wrote:I agree with Midj on the sound quality, I think it could be higher and I think if you can do that it would improve the cast quite a bit. I believe DjWheat or another experienced caster talked about microphone quality differences and the fact that good microphones cost quite a penny but do make quite a difference at the same time. I don't know how your setup is and what you want to invest. If I had better memory, I'd try and reference it. Other than that, I was listening to your audio commentary (listened to the first two). And I would love to hear the sound of the game in the background, it would give a better feel what's going on. Your commentary, necessarily, is high level, you can't mention every single bullet fired, but the sound would add a lot of details. Sounds like a command center landing, battles with the different unit sounds... you mention about players building certain buildings, clicking them for their own unique sound would help with the focus of the listener. I am also in agreement on the excitement thing. I view such an audio commentary as you do as something suitable for live casting. If I wanted analysis commentary on a game I would make sure I can see with my own eyes what's happening. But I can see the other camp's sanity on the issue as well Boils down to what we're all looking for. you do realize you're meant to be watching the actual replay while listening? I know it's included, and that it is a feature, but I see the advantage of the audio commentary as not needing the video screen.
fair enough it's just if he had game sounds in the audio, someone who is also watching the replay would almost definetly find it annoying to have to disable their sound
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On August 11 2010 01:16 Badjas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 23:51 Jameser wrote:On August 10 2010 23:35 Badjas wrote:I agree with Midj on the sound quality, I think it could be higher and I think if you can do that it would improve the cast quite a bit. I believe DjWheat or another experienced caster talked about microphone quality differences and the fact that good microphones cost quite a penny but do make quite a difference at the same time. I don't know how your setup is and what you want to invest. If I had better memory, I'd try and reference it. Other than that, I was listening to your audio commentary (listened to the first two). And I would love to hear the sound of the game in the background, it would give a better feel what's going on. Your commentary, necessarily, is high level, you can't mention every single bullet fired, but the sound would add a lot of details. Sounds like a command center landing, battles with the different unit sounds... you mention about players building certain buildings, clicking them for their own unique sound would help with the focus of the listener. I am also in agreement on the excitement thing. I view such an audio commentary as you do as something suitable for live casting. If I wanted analysis commentary on a game I would make sure I can see with my own eyes what's happening. But I can see the other camp's sanity on the issue as well Boils down to what we're all looking for. you do realize you're meant to be watching the actual replay while listening? I know it's included, and that it is a feature, but I see the advantage of the audio commentary as not needing the video screen.
You're missing the point of audio commentaries, at least with this kind. It's not supposed to be like listening to a soccer game on the radio.
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Comparing episodes 1 and 2 to episode 3 is the audio quality better or worse for you guys?
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On August 11 2010 02:12 itmeJP wrote:
Comparing episodes 1 and 2 to episode 3 is the audio quality better or worse for you guys?
It sounds better to me, but I didn't think 1/2 were bad sound quality wise.
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This is awesome, thanks a bunch for doing these. I enjoy the audio-replay format way more than the youtube commentary style that's gotten popular. You're a very good commentator as well and I'm looking forward to future episodes. Also I had no idea 14 hatch could stop reaper bunker rush so easily, that was pretty awesome by Check.
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On August 11 2010 01:23 Jameser wrote:fair enough it's just if he had game sounds in the audio, someone who is also watching the replay would almost definetly find it annoying to have to disable their sound
Yes, I realized that... too bad it doesn't combine.
On August 11 2010 01:38 vyyye wrote:
You're missing the point of audio commentaries, at least with this kind. It's not supposed to be like listening to a soccer game on the radio.
I don't think I am missing the point. The obvious comparison would be to listening a soccer game on the radio. But it's up to JP. And it seems from all the comments in this thread, that it works well, so I am not criticizing that.
edit: Just to burden you some, JP, some media formats support multiple audio streams ;-) muahaha. Gonna listen to ep3 now, and see about the sound quality
edit2: Listened to ep3 now. I can't hear much of a difference in sound quality. I listened alternating bits of ep2 and ep3. Maybe ep2 has some slight maxing out of the volume.
Other feedback: In my mind, you formulate sentences very clearly and try to give it a narrative with variation and the like. I have the idea that this is not the way to go about it. If you mention that two Thors are left standing after battle (ep2 iirc) you don't need to mention their exact health levels. If you mention 'very low on health' or 'in the red' or healthy, it is 'a lot' easier/faster to interpret which makes listening less of a chore. The action is fast and conveying this in short snappy messages I think gives a much easier read on the situation by the listener. Saying 'three marines left standing', 'player x seems to go for a fungal growth'. Plenty of things you say do help read the situation. Status of tech development, bases being mined out. Some of the talk is your opinion on how players should play or things you expect when it's missing like upgrades. That doesn't contribute anything for a listener. hmm reading/listening back the criticism perhaps isn't valid in some points but take from it what you can (:
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Ahh it's so enjoyable to have someone commentating games calmly (apart from the Day9 Dailies*).
Was watching the 3rd episode and kinda felt like I was out of sync at the beginning even though I didn't really do anything. Had to catch up with you which was a bit of a trouble. But I guess that problem lay on my end as none else experienced that ;P
The game itself was... well perhaps decent. The Zerg played rather bad in my opinion. I didn't see a single benefit from the Spine Crawler. Not a single.
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Great job JP keep it up your putting alot of effort into improving so you've got my respect.
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Throwing in another audio channel with in-game sound would be kind of a chore, especially because I'm doing this because of how quick and easy it is to get episodes out :x
Perhaps down the line!
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Episode 3 sounds much better in terms of audio quality.
Not a big deal, but somehow you seem to get like 1 or 2 seconds ahead while I'm watching the replay, not sure how that happens but it's not a big deal since I just fast forward a second.
Either way, loving these audio commentaries, thanks a lot for the time/effort put into it.
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Personally I enjoy these much more than streamed commentaries, because you can control the camera yourself and focus on details while still being aware of general game status because of commentary.
Ep. 3 had great sound quality, but 1 or 2 weren't bad either. Keep up good work JP!
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Niceeeeee... keep the good job man...
Brazilian fan here......
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Keep these comming, Sc2 is missing audio commentaries, thumbs up yo.
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PvP on LT, cute game.
EP4: RRU - EP4 - EG.Inka vs Katari
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Way more interactive than watching vods/streams. There is a need for both. Sometime you just want to relax and watch a game, then video is great (or you're at work and can't really start SC2 ). Sometimes you want to be a bit more engaged and then this is the way to go. Good commentaries, keep up the good work!
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This is really cool. I like this more than watching vods.
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Awesome work! I love these! Fantastic idea and keep 'em coming!
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One problem, one glaring problem- you didn't know who JF is!!
Kinda jks, but part of being a good commentator is throughly knowing who the players are before hand. Thanks for these!
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On August 11 2010 15:54 emperorchampion wrote:
One problem, one glaring problem- you didn't know who JF is!!
Kinda jks, but part of being a good commentator is throughly knowing who the players are before hand. Thanks for these!
I know who he is but I wasn't sure which tournaments he won other then TS1 so I didn't want to sound like a jackass and misstate something ;P
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On August 11 2010 16:04 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 15:54 emperorchampion wrote:
One problem, one glaring problem- you didn't know who JF is!!
Kinda jks, but part of being a good commentator is throughly knowing who the players are before hand. Thanks for these! I know who he is but I wasn't sure which tournaments he won other then TS1 so I didn't want to sound like a jackass and misstate something ;P
'sall good.
I'm really enjoying these atm, the quality is much better in later iterations btw
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On August 10 2010 23:29 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 23:08 Midj wrote:
I'd just like to echo the appreciation of the big things you've been doing in the SC2 community.
Now, I understand that you would like to improve your solo casting so my gripe is not really so much about your quality as a caster but it is in the sound quality. I had to use my speakers because when I had my headphones on I heard all the little popping 'P' sounds from the microphone and also hear the crackling of saliva in your mouth. Usually your producer for something like the Day9 party or even with MLG handles that with you but now you're on your own. Get a wind screen for your mic if don't already have one and move it a wee bit further away from your face.
I'm wicked nit-picky about these kind of things and know that I'm more than likely in the minority. Just wanted to give my two cents, since this is kind of a learning experience for you.
Again, I can't echo enough how much I appreciate what you help do for e-sports and all the free entertainment you provide.
Oh wow thats terrible about being able to hear that. Which episode was this in? I'll work on fine-tuning that for sure as its unacceptable and disgusting! lol
The third one I believe. I just noticed it because I had my headphones on for it so I figured I should point it out. I'll have to go back and check on the others after I'm done work for the day.
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These are great, thanks. I prefer them to VODs.
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Feel free to suggest some replays! ;p
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Just saw ep4, is it just me or are the audiocasts a bit quiet? I had to turn down in game sound while maxing out the audiocast sound.
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yay RWAs!
Imo youtube is good when you are on a computer without sc2, but if you are on one there is no reason to not watch a replay!
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JP,
I'm not sure what your goal is with these audio replays. In my perspective, there's two types of VOD's. The first is the entertainment type, like watching a sports game. The other is the instructional and informational type, which aims to dig and recover some deeper meanings and builds from replays. To me it actually sounds like you're leaning towards the entertainment kind, and herein lies the problem. The most popular casters for SC2 (HD, Husky, Day9) all appear to be thoroughly enjoying those replays, and viewers can share that with the casting. In order to be truly entertaining, you need more personality in your casts. To be frank, your casting is currently very monotone and you overuse the phrase "x is gonna go ahead and do this. go ahead and get away, etc". Everyone likes listening to tasteless because there aren't many dull moments with him, he's always vibrant, funny, and clear. If you're aiming to entertain you have to let loose, JP.
With that said I think it's a good concept and I hope to see you improve.
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On August 11 2010 23:50 Gentso wrote:
JP,
I'm not sure what your goal is with these audio replays. In my perspective, there's two types of VOD's. The first is the entertainment type, like watching a sports game. The other is the instructional and informational type, which aims to dig and recover some deeper meanings and builds from replays. To me it actually sounds like you're leaning towards the entertainment kind, and herein lies the problem. The most popular casters for SC2 (HD, Husky, Day9) all appear to be thoroughly enjoying those replays, and viewers can share that with the casting. In order to be truly entertaining, you need more personality in your casts. To be frank, your casting is currently very monotone and you overuse the phrase "x is gonna go ahead and do this. go ahead and get away, etc". Everyone likes listening to tasteless because there aren't many dull moments with him, he's always vibrant, funny, and clear. If you're aiming to entertain you have to let loose, JP.
With that said I think it's a good concept and I hope to see you improve.
Dang I feel like I just got raped or something haha. Thanks for the criticism
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On August 12 2010 06:05 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 23:50 Gentso wrote:
JP,
I'm not sure what your goal is with these audio replays. In my perspective, there's two types of VOD's. The first is the entertainment type, like watching a sports game. The other is the instructional and informational type, which aims to dig and recover some deeper meanings and builds from replays. To me it actually sounds like you're leaning towards the entertainment kind, and herein lies the problem. The most popular casters for SC2 (HD, Husky, Day9) all appear to be thoroughly enjoying those replays, and viewers can share that with the casting. In order to be truly entertaining, you need more personality in your casts. To be frank, your casting is currently very monotone and you overuse the phrase "x is gonna go ahead and do this. go ahead and get away, etc". Everyone likes listening to tasteless because there aren't many dull moments with him, he's always vibrant, funny, and clear. If you're aiming to entertain you have to let loose, JP.
With that said I think it's a good concept and I hope to see you improve. Dang I feel like I just got raped or something haha. Thanks for the criticism
Hey wait a minute, I enjoy these a lot. It's like analytically watching a replay, except I've got somebody next to me sharing his thoughts. I don't need shouting and over the top excitement to enjoy a caster...
edit: and it's much better that JP knows what he's talking about, unlike casters who get all excited yet haven't the faintest clue what they're talking about
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I think these casts are great, especially after playing on ladder and having noone to discuss strategy with.
keep em coming
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I like these a lot, JP, they are thoroughly awesome!
I really like being able to control the replay myself and view whatever part of the map I want to, while still having the commentary going. Whenever I watch a cast of a match, I always look at the minimap and go "man, I really want to click on that spot!" but this totally solves that problem.
I would consider replay round-up more convenient than watching a cast, for the reason stated above as well.
Keep 'em coming is right, so do it!
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JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients?
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On August 12 2010 07:18 chaoticprout wrote:
JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients?
I'm watching on faster as well. I'm not really sure why the lack of synchronization is occurring. I'll try to do more timestamps throughout the cast and maybe it'll iron out. It might be the compression or something too -- I'm not sure really hah
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great replays/casting ONCE AGAIN!!!
Keep it up JP!
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Probably not the best thread to post this in but I just found it funny that my game crashes as I'm about to win a ZvT ![[image loading]](http://tinyurl.com/2g6t6p6)
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On August 12 2010 07:18 chaoticprout wrote:
JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients?
It's Battle.net 2.0 I think. Often times one's client (yours or JP's) will stutter and I think that'll cause some time difference? I dunno that's my guess because I get these lag spikes every so often myself.
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I listened to the first one and didn't mind it, and I don't even have sc2.,...
Someone should make an app to manipulate winamp/media player within sc2 for these
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I like them, thanks JP. Any chance you could put really faint in-game sounds in as well?
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I know a few people have asked for it but please don't put in game sounds. Your voice + sc2 sounds provides a clear crisp audio track. And I don't want to turn off game sounds because then it matters more how well we sync your audio track.
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Yeah I don't think I'll be adding SC2 sounds. Maybe a separate download for that into iTunes or something if I can figure out the best way to do it. We'll see.
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Just started watching these. I've been watching a lot of Day[9], HDstarcraft and Huskystarcraft lately and it guzzles bandwidth... Doing shoutcasting this way is much better IMO. More feedback will come once I've watched all of the ones posted :D
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Great work, JP--I've always enjoyed your contributions to the community.
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Thanks A TON, JP!
I really enjoy having a little control while watching VODs so this just suits me perfectly!
Besides that, you also provide great commentary.
Great great work!!
Keep'em coming!!
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Just checked out EP5, and the audio is fantastic on the headphones! I don't know what you did but there was a noticeable decrease in the amount of white noise, popping P's etc.
Again, I have to try really hard to find criticisms. When you pronounce etcetera, its 'et setera' not 'ec setera', super minor and barely noticed it because the game was fantastic.
You're spot on for noticing everything! I often find myself watching a commentary on the youtubes and see movement towards an expo, but the caster is too concentrated on the outcome of the fight that they noticed earlier. That didn't happen once with this, minus missing upgrades that pop up, but that is to be expected because of the speed both players are going at.
Great stuff JP, keep it up!
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but but but the main idea of video commentary is that i dont ahve to move my mouse;(
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On August 12 2010 18:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
but but but the main idea of video commentary is that i dont ahve to move my mouse;(
then go watch the videos obviously : )))
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On August 12 2010 18:49 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 18:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
but but but the main idea of video commentary is that i dont ahve to move my mouse;( then go watch the videos obviously : )))
May I suggest you spec/obs some games, while following the action as a spectator?
Then we can just tap 3 or whatever to follow your camera movements? (That works with spectators as well right?)
You could do your recording while spectating, or after. Just a different way of doing it.
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On August 12 2010 19:56 Midj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 18:49 itmeJP wrote:On August 12 2010 18:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
but but but the main idea of video commentary is that i dont ahve to move my mouse;( then go watch the videos obviously : ))) May I suggest you spec/obs some games, while following the action as a spectator? Then we can just tap 3 or whatever to follow your camera movements? (That works with spectators as well right?) You could do your recording while spectating, or after. Just a different way of doing it.
Yeah true. On average I observer anywhere from 5-15 games with EG, Root, and other random players a day. Good idea
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After watching all 5 of these commentaries over the last couple of days I've decided it's time to give some feedback.
Well done with these. You have a great voice for commentating, you know what your talking about and you don't get over excited. Also, I don't know how you made your audio track only play thru my center speaker, but thanx. It gives the track a bit of extra clarity.
Your 5th replay was missing one small thing which your 1st and 2nd did quite well. In the first couple of replays you guided the player on where to look as you were speaking. For example you would say 'over in playerX base you can see that he has added on another y, and back in playerZs expo he has just placed a turrent in the mineral line to deter harass' or something similar. A lot of the time during these replays you did a very good job of helping me to keep my attention where it mattered. In the 5th replay there was very little of this. You were still obviously keeping an eye on everything and were saying when people were taking key upgrades etc, but you didn't give the same level of positional guidance. This lead me to watch the battles more and only know what people were doing (macro) via your speech (and info tabs).
Considering 'positional guidance' as a tool for use in audio casting, another tool which I feel you could incorporating into your analysis quite well would be the info tabs. You could for example say 'On the resource tab you can see that the food counts are quite close at 50:56' or 'Looking at the units lost tab you can see that that initial attack was very costly to playerY. He only managed to kill 6 units and has lost over 30 himself.' By directing the player which tab to look at and then drawing an opinion based on it you may have another tool to play around with.
Overall I love how these are coming along. Now I find that as soon as i've got my Day9 daily fill this thread is my 2nd stop before I move onto other things. <3
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On August 12 2010 19:56 Midj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 18:49 itmeJP wrote:On August 12 2010 18:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
but but but the main idea of video commentary is that i dont ahve to move my mouse;( then go watch the videos obviously : ))) May I suggest you spec/obs some games, while following the action as a spectator? Then we can just tap 3 or whatever to follow your camera movements? (That works with spectators as well right?) You could do your recording while spectating, or after. Just a different way of doing it.
It's a shame that you cant watch a replay, and then save the replay of you watching the replay as a spectator. This would be a great addition to replays for a lot of reasons.
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On August 12 2010 21:53 DeCoup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 19:56 Midj wrote:On August 12 2010 18:49 itmeJP wrote:On August 12 2010 18:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
but but but the main idea of video commentary is that i dont ahve to move my mouse;( then go watch the videos obviously : ))) May I suggest you spec/obs some games, while following the action as a spectator? Then we can just tap 3 or whatever to follow your camera movements? (That works with spectators as well right?) You could do your recording while spectating, or after. Just a different way of doing it. It's a shame that you cant watch a replay, and then save the replay of you watching the replay as a spectator. This would be a great addition to replays for a lot of reasons.
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On August 12 2010 08:18 itmeJP wrote:Probably not the best thread to post this in but I just found it funny that my game crashes as I'm about to win a ZvT
I lol'd :D
(Playing protoss in SC2, I'm gonna stay out of that discussion though and just try to get good at making carriers.)
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Thanks for this JP! Prefer this format over VODs to be honest.
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Is it possible that replays run up to a maximum speed because they don't have to be synced with another player? So if JP can run the game more smoothly than you, you might fall behind in the replay . . . or maybe running with vsync on slows replays down. Just throwing a couple ideas out there
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This is awesome :D I get to control the camera XD
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JP your such a badass ! Cool idea man, I was thinking of it a month or so ago but I didn't think there would be a demand. Whoops....
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Really enjoy this format, do continue producing this, its great!
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Enjoying these alot, keep up the good work. It'd be awesome to see some Nony games if you can get the replays !
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I love this format. Being able to move around the camera and watch different tabs is really, really nice. So sick and tired of casters sitting on the APM tab all game long when they should be looking at income or army size.
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On August 13 2010 10:37 itmeJP wrote:Thanks everyone for the criticism, et CETERA.
Teehee
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I've got a request for a replay from Machine! Would be pwetty kewl.
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Those nuke bluffs from TTO were amazing. I didn't realise you could actually cancel a dropping nuke. The fact that you can really lets you get your troops in the best position possible. This adds a whole new dimension to the game for me :D
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I really need to find another way to spread this stuff around. Doesn't seem like there is too much interest :O
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On August 13 2010 17:45 itmeJP wrote:
I really need to find another way to spread this stuff around. Doesn't seem like there is too much interest :O
Maybe if you upload it so we can stream it there'll be more interest. Just a suggestion 
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On August 13 2010 17:53 escruting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 17:45 itmeJP wrote:
I really need to find another way to spread this stuff around. Doesn't seem like there is too much interest :O Maybe if you upload it so we can stream it there'll be more interest. Just a suggestion
I could just upload the audio by itself separately but then it is two clicks to download both. Hmmm.
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I would like to see some more ZvP and less TvT
Great commentating though. Sometimes you miss some things when there's a lot going on, but no biggie. And btw I think SjoW is pronounced more like "Show" and less like "S-JAO".
pz
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Just watched a few more of these. Please do keep it up.
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This is great, it's a nice change to the more standard VODs, where you sometime feel the "camera-guy" misses something.
And I think your doing good, on the commentary side of things...
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I would prefer zip to rar since is handled by windows without any additional software.
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I has a question. I kept watching the replay in faster, and the audio at normal but it kept constantly getting out of balance. The audio kept getting ahead of the replay, is it someting on my end? it was the check prime game vs JustFake. Am i doing something wrong?
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On August 13 2010 19:03 Lighioana wrote:
I would prefer zip to rar since is handled by windows without any additional software.
I'm using 7zip for that. It can't make rar files but it can read them. Free to use, and it's a one time install anyway.
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i love this, audio commentaries are so much better than vods
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On August 13 2010 20:44 Phayze wrote:
I has a question. I kept watching the replay in faster, and the audio at normal but it kept constantly getting out of balance. The audio kept getting ahead of the replay, is it someting on my end? it was the check prime game vs JustFake. Am i doing something wrong?
I've heard a lot of people talking about this. I'm running on Faster and never changing. I wonder if my PC is lagging in some spots or something and that effects the timer.
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On August 13 2010 21:16 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 20:44 Phayze wrote:
I has a question. I kept watching the replay in faster, and the audio at normal but it kept constantly getting out of balance. The audio kept getting ahead of the replay, is it someting on my end? it was the check prime game vs JustFake. Am i doing something wrong? I've heard a lot of people talking about this. I'm running on Faster and never changing. I wonder if my PC is lagging in some spots or something and that effects the timer.
When I had some background tasks running while listening/watching the replay I went out of sync. So I'd say that people having the problem should lower their settings so the game runs 100% smooth.
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We need some zerg audio commentaries like this, is there anyone ?
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Fantastic work, JP. I definitely like this format. It's nice to be able to pay attention to whatever I'm interested in at any given point in time, while still being alerted to important information via the commentary. I'll also echo the comments about it feeling like you're in the same room watching the replay (now that I type this it seems kind of creepy, but I hope you understand). I'm looking forward to more.
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Just watch the TLO vs alex game. Highly recommended. Should hopefully change the dynamic of tvt away from viking siege wars.
Edit: Can no spelingz
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Hey JP loving it I'm wondering since some of the replays are shorter and easier to upload why not do bulk episodes like you did with the first 5? I watch the first 5 like back to back 8D. What ever you decide keep doing it, because I love this way of casting Casters don't always catch everything and it's just awesome to be able to see multiple things happening at once
GJ Keep them coming!
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JP is a cool guy you should support him cuz he's awesome and casts with me when I need a co-caster <3 JP
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Thanks Raelcun ;p
I'll be packaging these together every week as "Week 1" etc to make for mass consumption.
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I'm just gonna restate that I think this format is clearly superior to live casting
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Totally awesome stuff. Thanks JP!
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Any chance of getting a RSS feed for this?
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On August 15 2010 14:50 Fitzsimmons wrote:
Any chance of getting a RSS feed for this?
I'll set one up in a bit.
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Haha not going watch your replays because like in wow your probly terrible, but you were an amazing caster in wow and tried to do alot with your own show and casting but blizz just doesn't care enough about that game welcome to sc2 jp.
User was warned for this post
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On August 15 2010 16:04 Southside wrote:
Haha not going watch your replays because like in wow your probly terrible, but you were an amazing caster in wow and tried to do alot with your own show and casting but blizz just doesn't care enough about that game welcome to sc2 jp.
Hmm, someone can't read the OP I suppose thanks for those kind words though, and I should be welcoming you mister 8 posts -- been here for awhile.
Feed is up for those who asked for it (http://feeds.feedburner.com/replayround-up?format=xml)
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Whoa very cool format. I like it. Thanks JP!!!
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Yeah, this is really good! Love it, keep them coming JP!
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Thank you for the RSS. Now my google reader is filled with happy starcraft. =D
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On August 12 2010 07:18 chaoticprout wrote:
JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients?
I have this problem as well.
In the first game, JP is 10 seconds faster than me by the end of the replay (and yes, of course I started at the right time).
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On August 15 2010 17:19 Orange Goblin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 07:18 chaoticprout wrote:
JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients? I have this problem as well. In the first game, JP is 10 seconds faster than me by the end of the replay (and yes, of course I started at the right time).
Yeah, I'm not sure what this is. I play with everything on low so there are no skips or anything. Perhaps during some of the bigger fights it skips for a second? I'm really stumped
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I'm not sure, but my replays seem to run without problems. I usually just fast forward a bit whenever you say something revealing exactly where you're at (like, something is at a certain percentage, or unit x just went down).
Are you doing any sort of sample rate converting? Like recording at 48 KHz and compressing them down to 44?
[EDIT: I'm playing with everything on low as well, 200 FPS ftw :p]
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On August 15 2010 17:45 Orange Goblin wrote:
I'm not sure, but my replays seem to run without problems. I usually just fast forward a bit whenever you say something revealing exactly where you're at (like, something is at a certain percentage, or unit x just went down).
Are you doing any sort of sample rate converting? Like recording at 48 KHz and compressing them down to 44?
[EDIT: I'm playing with everything on low as well, 200 FPS ftw :p]
Hmmm. I'm not sure if its compressing them. I'll check tomorrow! haha
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I love the show, good replays and commentary. Will be waiting for more!
Although I would like to suggest when you archive episodes, list the races being played. As a Zerg play i could care less about a PvP or a TvP and it would be much easier filter out the VoDs if they were listed.
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On August 15 2010 19:22 Spaceninja wrote:
I love the show, good replays and commentary. Will be waiting for more!
Although I would like to suggest when you archive episodes, list the races being played. As a Zerg play i could care less about a PvP or a TvP and it would be much easier filter out the VoDs if they were listed.
Yeah, I've been lazy about this. Now that someone's complained I guess I'll have to ;p
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Hey, I'm not super up with pro sc2 koreans, do you think you could post the matchup next to it?
Edit: Sweet thanks (Map too if you get around to it, not as important though)
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On August 15 2010 19:31 Apollys wrote:
Hey, I'm not super up with pro sc2 koreans, do you think you could post the matchup next to it, ie:
EP2: RRU - EP1 - CheckPrime vs JustFake - ZvT
Fixed.
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If anyone would be so kind I'd like some art to freshen up this post as well as a quick audio intro for the casts. Both could be western themed but I don't really care much about the design elements other then that. I'll probably use the first one I get. Either PM it to me or post in the page here. Thanks! I'll give you some promotion on the cast and other places where my voice shows up -- can't really afford to pay you for your services at the moment :x
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On August 15 2010 19:49 itmeJP wrote:
If anyone would be so kind I'd like some art to freshen up this post as well as a quick audio intro for the casts. Both could be western themed but I don't really care much about the design elements other then that. I'll probably use the first one I get. Either PM it to me or post in the page here. Thanks! I'll give you some promotion on the cast and other places where my voice shows up -- can't really afford to pay you for your services at the moment :x
I'll warn you, my ms paint skills are rusty so you may want to go another route:
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On August 15 2010 19:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 19:49 itmeJP wrote:
If anyone would be so kind I'd like some art to freshen up this post as well as a quick audio intro for the casts. Both could be western themed but I don't really care much about the design elements other then that. I'll probably use the first one I get. Either PM it to me or post in the page here. Thanks! I'll give you some promotion on the cast and other places where my voice shows up -- can't really afford to pay you for your services at the moment :x I'll warn you, my ms paint skills are rusty so you may want to go another route: + Show Spoiler +
Using for now
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The ChiTah vs WeRRa game was fun! I always love some PvZ action.
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You need to use the Terrans OP rap song as your audio intro.
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Nice JP, Thank you! Gonna download and listen to some of them now.
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Please less spoiler man
Perhaps you shouldn't always watch the replays before you make a commentary although I understand the urge to do a quality check.
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On August 15 2010 20:47 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Please less spoiler man Perhaps you shouldn't always watch the replays before you make a commentary although I understand the urge to do a quality check.
Rgr I'll stop spoiling
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On August 15 2010 17:19 Orange Goblin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 07:18 chaoticprout wrote:
JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients? I have this problem as well. In the first game, JP is 10 seconds faster than me by the end of the replay (and yes, of course I started at the right time).
I'm also having the same problem, even when running everything on low and using faster game speed.
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On August 15 2010 23:28 weet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 17:19 Orange Goblin wrote:On August 12 2010 07:18 chaoticprout wrote:
JP, my question to you:
Are you watching on faster? I have been syncing it with you on faster, and for some reason yours seems to go 5% faster than mine or something. Over time you get way ahead of me, and I have to burst faster x2 or even x4 until i catch up to what you last saw. Is there something different between our clients? I have this problem as well. In the first game, JP is 10 seconds faster than me by the end of the replay (and yes, of course I started at the right time). I'm also having the same problem, even when running everything on low and using faster game speed.
I'm unsure as to why this happens still I'll check to see if its anything on my end today in the converting area.
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One minor thing I would suggest is standardizing your countdown to unpause. It ranges from a slow count from 3 to a fast count from 5. Really the only thing I have noticed thus far.
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That was an interesting game. + Show Spoiler +I can't wait to see Nydus being adopted more in Zerg play (even if it did fail here)
A lot of the games you care casting are quite short. I would like to see some slightly longer games too. Maybe around the 25min mark instead of 10-15. This might be mechanically problematic for you tho with some of the viewers who are struggling to get their game speed up to scratch. (I don't think it's codec based, because I seem to have no issue on the 2 i7 PC's I have viewed your matches from. More likely it is the viewers PCs not keeping up. Worth a try tho I guess).
Don't concern yourself too much about the popularity of your games (I've noticed you mention it before). It takes time to build up a fanbase. Most of the criticism you have received in this thread should show that the issues people have are mostly technical in nature, and that your casts themselves are well recieved.
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One question I would ask to all the people who are getting out of sync: Do you end up generally getting ahead of his commentary or falling behind? Or is it inconsistent?
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On August 16 2010 17:10 Apollys wrote:
One question I would ask to all the people who are getting out of sync: Do you end up generally getting ahead of his commentary or falling behind? Or is it inconsistent?
For me it seems completely random.
I am able to run the game at ultra with ~55FPS so I hiked it down to high and I still notice it. Somewhat odd, maybe JP can contact Blizzard about this since it is their game.
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On August 16 2010 17:10 Apollys wrote:
One question I would ask to all the people who are getting out of sync: Do you end up generally getting ahead of his commentary or falling behind? Or is it inconsistent?
I always fall behind, but this isn't uncommon for me-- I've often watched replays with friends and started at the same time, and I always fall behind. I believe that the reason is that if your PC can't keep up 100% with the replay, there are very small lags which are almost unnoticeable, but add up over the period of the replay, slowing it down over time.
Just need to pop the x2 every time JP says something you haven't seen yet. =P
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I have to pop into x2 every now and then as well. Overall its not too big of a deal sometimes. One game I was somehow around 30 seconds behind somehow =(. I run the game on low too.
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On August 16 2010 17:20 Khrane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 17:10 Apollys wrote:
One question I would ask to all the people who are getting out of sync: Do you end up generally getting ahead of his commentary or falling behind? Or is it inconsistent? I always fall behind, but this isn't uncommon for me-- I've often watched replays with friends and started at the same time, and I always fall behind. I believe that the reason is that if your PC can't keep up 100% with the replay, there are very small lags which are almost unnoticeable, but add up over the period of the replay, slowing it down over time. Just need to pop the x2 every time JP says something you haven't seen yet. =P
I don't know about that, mate. I'm running the game @ 200 FPS. So it's not a general problem with keeping up. Even if it was, one would think that the game would sync up if there somehow was a skipped beat at some place anyhow. How else would MP function?
Makes no sense to me, also, it seems a lot of the people in this thread is having the exact same problem (or have someone been experiencing the opposite problem? JP falling behind?).
My bet is still on sample rate rate conversion problems (or something similar).
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love them! keep it coming!
edit:
also I have no problem with sync and I'm guaranteed not getting any slow-down due to my computer, so people who have trouble keeping sync probably need to lower their grafics settings
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Just posting to say I'm really enjoying these and to tag this thread for the future.
I wish more people would do audios, it's so good for people like me on limited bandwidth.
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I'm having no problem with the sync. all seems fine. I run the game at 50+ fps on low. I wouldn't think its on JP's end because all of us would experience it.
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I really prefer these then to watching whatever VoDs on youtube.
Thank you so much for doing these JP!
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Hey JP,
I love what your doing here Your casts are balanced well between entertaining and informative, keep up the great work! I haven't seen many (or any) other casters doing a audio commentary and provide the replays alongside, I always feel on other VODs that casters will miss certain parts of the action that I desparately want to see. Its also great for checking build orders for instance, I showed that Tasteless raven/marine/tank build to a Terran friend and now im having real trouble beating him >.>
One thing I would like to ask though, would be to timestamp more often (as well as placestamp, sometimes I'm not sure where ur talking about), I think in your previous casts you timestamped only once or twice. Oh and be more excited! that SUGGY vs Akita game was great, and very tense. I really thought it was all over for SUGGY at several points in that game, but from the sound (pitch) of your voice that wasnt so clear.
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Won't be a cast today guys, I'll be back tomorrow with EP 10.
On August 18 2010 10:29 pOOdle wrote:Hey JP, I love what your doing here Your casts are balanced well between entertaining and informative, keep up the great work! I haven't seen many (or any) other casters doing a audio commentary and provide the replays alongside, I always feel on other VODs that casters will miss certain parts of the action that I desparately want to see. Its also great for checking build orders for instance, I showed that Tasteless raven/marine/tank build to a Terran friend and now im having real trouble beating him >.> One thing I would like to ask though, would be to timestamp more often (as well as placestamp, sometimes I'm not sure where ur talking about), I think in your previous casts you timestamped only once or twice. Oh and be more excited! that SUGGY vs Akita game was great, and very tense. I really thought it was all over for SUGGY at several points in that game, but from the sound (pitch) of your voice that wasnt so clear.
Yeah, sorry about the excitement level in that match, sick (no match today because of it).
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lol, right when i was about to ask where episode 11 is, i read your post about you feel sick ... get better soon!
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Nice job JP for those audio-replays !
I was really missing those and thought that no one would ever do audio commentaries again because of youtube, etc. but you just proved me wrong =)
So congrats and keep going, they're very good !
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I tried doing this before and the idea got discarded since people found it too "troublesome" to sync the audio and the replay together.
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On August 18 2010 19:05 Fantistic wrote:
I tried doing this before and the idea got discarded since people found it too "troublesome" to sync the audio and the replay together.
Well, I don't =P
No seriously, how hard is it ? -_-
And it's so good to move the camera all over the place as you want, noticing little details while listening to the commentator keeping a better track of the whole frame.
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What program do you use to record the audio? Just wondering =)
Thank you for the continued commitment to these I really enjoy them after a long day at work.
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On August 20 2010 10:13 Grel wrote:
What program do you use to record the audio? Just wondering =)
Thank you for the continued commitment to these I really enjoy them after a long day at work.
I use Audacity.
EP13: RRU - EP13 - Freedom (P) vs RedProtoss (P)
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Keep them coming JP, love what you're doing for the community.
These are much better than watching VODs on youtube.
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If you're experienced with DAW's, I recommend Reaper. It even has the name of a SC2 unit, how awesome is that?
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Oh sweet. Just watched #13 + Show Spoiler +wow did Blue mess up at the end haha, I'd be kicking myself so hard
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On August 18 2010 19:16 Wayem wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 19:05 Fantistic wrote:
I tried doing this before and the idea got discarded since people found it too "troublesome" to sync the audio and the replay together. Well, I don't =P No seriously, how hard is it ? -_- And it's so good to move the camera all over the place as you want, noticing little details while listening to the commentator keeping a better track of the whole frame.
That's exactly what I said.
It's not hard at all which is why I was disappointed with the community for saying "I just want to click play on a youtube video and sit back".
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JP - just droppin' in to say I love these.
Keep them coming please.
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JP well done, I'm a big fan. keep up the good work.
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JP... protip: Take a look at the Units Lost tab more..... during that muta harass at one point, the units lost was twice the zerg's
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I've watched a ton of audio commentaries for games like Company of Heroes and WarCraft III, and I'm of the opinion that audio commentaries are better than video shoutcasts. I can watch whatever I want of the game, with any settings I want. Complete freedom.
The audio keeps getting out of sync, so you might want to say that you're at "mark x:xx" every so often so we can sync back up.
You're doing a good job.
PS. More Terrans replays, please.
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Can't contain laughter at DuckloadRa
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amazed at how many youve made, this is pretty great (:
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Thanks a lot! Best shoutcasts out there, not counting D9D
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EP17: RRU - EP17 - qxc (T) vs TTone (P)
A ladder game between TTone and qxc on the US Server.
I'll see you guys on Tuesday -- I'm headed to North Carolina for MLG Raleigh.
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So, should I keep doing these? The download numbers are quite low heh
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On September 01 2010 09:14 itmeJP wrote:
So, should I keep doing these? The download numbers are quite low heh
I enjoy them and would like to see you make more, but if only a few people do, I can see why you wouldn't want to continue.
It's up to you really. If you like doing them, by all means continue. If it's a hassle and you'd rather do something else, then don't make them!
Thank you for the ones you've done so far either way!
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I enjoy them as well, but if the demand isn't there then I understand.
The audio format is nicer for me. Keep up the good work for the community.
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Yeah what Shika said is what I had in mind when I was going to reply, but he summed it up perfectly. I haven't exactly watched every single one of them, but the majority and I've enjoyed every single one I've listened to so far.
I understand the "market" for these kinda things are really small in comparison to all of the YouTube VoD's but this is something else.
Hope you keep doing these as this is variety to have!
Oh and good job at MLG, top notch as usual.
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I think I may just focus on doing State of the Game every week. I was only doing these in preparation for MLG and now I need to work on learning the game moreso then ever.
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I just think that this is the best way to watch games, please dont stop ):
And awesome work at mlg indeed
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Awww I watched these quite often. I enjoyed all of the ones I downloaded (like every matchup but PvP). If you decided to stop doing them I guess I would understand.
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this is a really great initiative JP.
Cheers for your work on this
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Hey man I really enjoyed those, maybe you could still do it once or twice a week ? See you
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thanks for all the replays and work JP. you da man
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These being my first audio commentaries (concerning sc2), I must say that I really enjoy the different feel that they offer as compared to the more 'restricted' commentaries.
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love these JP but if state of the game could become a weekly thing i'd sacrifice the replay rounds ups, sotg owns :D
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Still lovin' it.
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On August 10 2010 21:56 itmeJP wrote:Replay Round-Up is on hiatus for a little while to focus on State of the Game and to play more. Sorry.
so uh... whens this gonna come back? i really enjoyed it
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good stuff man, love state of the game aswell
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On September 26 2010 12:48 Keitzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 21:56 itmeJP wrote:Replay Round-Up is on hiatus for a little while to focus on State of the Game and to play more. Sorry. so uh... whens this gonna come back? i really enjoyed it
Maybe sooner then I think -- been playing a lot and need to get back into casting things. We shall see!
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