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NoXious90
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom160 Posts
September 07 2010 23:30 GMT
#121
i've always intuitively known this but it's nice to see it laid out in a well organised post like this. thanks TS
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
September 07 2010 23:37 GMT
#122
This thread is absolutely great. I recently changed my mindset while gaming away from winning and more towards improving in set goals during games and outside of games. One thing I can say is that the game becomes so much more fun. I believe that if you can control all these parts of your psyche you will be a great gamer with some solid training.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
September 08 2010 00:12 GMT
#123
Good post.

I just wished it was visually edited a bit better.

Perhaps like this:

+ Show Spoiler +
Have you ever been focused on something with such intensity and fun that you lose track of time, forget that you're hungry, and find yourself completely lost in what you're doing?

(EDIT: That describes one end of the spectrum of these kind of experiences. These same principles also apply to having more normal experiences of fun and enjoyment from something challenging.)

In extreme cases, everything becomes clear, and your actions seem effortless, automatic, and highly precise and efficient--things can even seem to slow down.

We call the more intense instances being "in the zone," "locked in," "unconscious," or "on fire." Psychologist Mihály Csíkszentmihályi named it flow. It is among the best experiences we can have as human beings.

More often, we just call it having fun.


That feeling is the reason we play Starcraft.


We are chasing those kinds of experiences, and this game is one of the best, most reliable ways to get to it if you approach it the right way.

I'm going to break down the ten factors that accompany these experiences of flow and show how they each relate to playing SC2.

The factors are:
  1. Clear goals
  2. Concentration
  3. A loss of feelings of self-consciousness
  4. Loss of a sense of time
  5. Direct and immediate feedback
  6. Balance between ability level and challenge
  7. A sense of control over the activity
  8. The activity is intrinsically rewarding
  9. Lack of awareness of your biological needs
  10. Your entire awareness becomes focused on the activity itself



1. CLEAR GOALS
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Don't make winning your only goal. That's because you can't always control whether or not you win, you can't always get direct and immediate feedback on whether or not you are going to win, you'll probably NOT win at least 30% of the time, it isn't intrinsically rewarding (in the sense meant above), and the very idea of winning involves your ego massively--not good for losing those feelings of self-consciousness.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Focus on executing your build order. Focus on having a plan in advance for tactics and strategy. Have an idea for your early, mid, and late game. Pick some other things to accomplish each game (upgrades, expansions, scouting, harassment, micro, macro, building placement, etc.).

    Make those kinds of things your primary focus before, during, and immediately after the game. Let winning and losing roll off your back completely, make them unimportant side-effects of all of these other goals--be zen-like about it.

    Have these goals clearly laid out. Write them down. Don't change them too much until you've mastered what you were working on.


2. CONCENTRATION
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Don't let yourself have too many distractions (obviously). Whether that applies to your music, your viewers, your friends, your chatting, or things in the game other than your goals (you get caught up in micro when you intended to work on macro). Don't focus on winning because that's always going to be a distraction from your real goals.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Get laser focused on your goals. Have the plan in your mind. Go over that plan constantly. Be looking for the cues and information that apply to what you're trying to do. Day[9]'s mantra of "workers, supply, money" is a good example of this.


3. LOSS OF SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Don't rage. Don't focus on winning. Don't flame. Don't respond to flaming. Don't get caught up in your short-comings as a player.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Be polite. Try not to let flaming or opponent rage impact you too much. Pay attention ONLY to the things on your list of goals for the game--if you suck at micro and are painfully aware of it but that's not the thing you're trying to work on, then decide in advance not to sweat micro in the slightest.


4. DISTORTED SENSE OF TIME
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Continue glancing at the clock while playing. Listen to short music tracks that break up your experience into 3-minute chunks. Get bogged down in build-order timings that you aren't super-familiar with.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Make your basic timings one of the first things you work on, so you don't have to focus on that any more. Learn it stone-cold. As more sophisticated timings become relevant to your game, roll back your expectations on other areas so you can focus on those, master them, and move on.

5. DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Decide to practice sentry force-field micro by playing in ladder games. Never watch your replays.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Pick the right approach to working towards a given goal. If you want to practice with force-fields, open the unit tester. Find a map designed for force-field micro practice. Have your practice partner mass zerglings while you mass sentries and then see how long you can prevent him from getting into your base.

    Or for a different example, if you really want to practice combating mech in your ZvT, don't hop on the ladder where you may go 8 games in a row without playing against a Terran only for him to do a bio-build. A practice partner or a special map would be the way to go there as well.

    Also, it's hard to get direct feedback when you're not sure how you failed to reach your goal. Check out the replay when there's missing info that you need in order to improve.

6. BALANCE BETWEEN ABILITY LEVEL AND CHALLENGE LEVEL
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Don't build 5 bases if you have no prayer of managing 5 bases. On the other side, don't just do your cheesy all-in rush that you could do in your sleep every game without any other objective in mind to challenge you.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Take baby steps. If you aren't good at macro, focus on successfully spending all your money off of two bases. Maybe build 5 bases, but instead of trying to manage them effectively, see how quickly you can get 200 workers on the field. Or try to spend 5 bases worth of income with no regard whatsoever for whether that money is spent well. Build 30 command centers if you need to. Again, whatever you're working on, take baby steps.

7. A SENSE OF CONTROL OVER THE ACTIVITY
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Don't play like your hair is on fire, giving yourself more things to manage and focus on than you can possibly feel like you have a sense of control over.

    Also, don't be frantically mapping control group hotkeys without some kind of plan. Don't rely on the tooltips to give you the keyboard shortcuts for building a certain unit or getting a certain upgrade.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Limit the amount of stuff you have to attend to until you are very comfortable, then move up slowly. Have a solid plan for how you want your mechanics to go. Focus on learning hot keys, get comfortable managing control groups, etc..

    This might be one of the most important things to do for a new player. If you aren't comfortable with controlling the game, you will have trouble doing anything else on this list of things associated with flow. You'll be self-conscious, it'll feel too difficult, you'll be distracted often, etc..

8. THE ACTIVITY IS INTRINSICALLY REWARDING
    WHAT NOT TO DO:
    Focus on winning. Focus on your ranking. Focus on your win record. Focus on showing up a bad mannered jerk.


    WHAT TO DO INSTEAD:
    Play because you enjoy the sense that you're getting better. Play because you like reaching those little goals mentioned above.

9. LACK OF AWARENESS OF BIOLOGICAL NEEDS
    This isn't something to strive for, more of a side-effect of being in flow.

10. YOUR ENTIRE AWARENESS BECOMES FOCUSED ON THE ACTIVITY ITSELF
    Again, this is more of a natural product of all of the other things being put into practice. If you have clear, specific goals, and you put yourself in a position where you're focused on that and getting immediate feedback, you have a great chance of getting this effect from time to time.

    The key here is the purity and intensity of the other factors. If you are really locked-in because you have a handful of these factors down pat, you're likely to get to this place.



~~CONCLUSION~~

Even if it's subconscious or they don't think in these terms, flow is often the secret sauce behind the performance of the top gamers, top athletes, top musicians, and artists in the world. It's why they can work for hours and hours on end with minimal fatigue or boredom. It's why they can remain passionate about something even after decades spent on mastery.

In fact, when it comes to Starcraft 2, you'll find a lot of these principles at work in the wisdom of everybody's favorite nerd, Day[9], and his approach to the game. If you pay attention to his advice, it's often about breaking things down into clear goals, taking baby steps, concentrating on specific things, being willing to let go of winning in order to work on new aspects of your game, and so on.

Furthermore, if you watch Daily #100, you can hear him talk about these sorts of moments and experiences throughout his career as a player in many of the same terms I've used here (loss of self-consciousness, total absorption in the task, feelings of control, his skill and the challenge at hand being perfectly matched).

You don't have to do ALL of these things to experience flow, even a handful can get you there. This approach to the game can help new players and pros alike.

By moving more towards these approaches to Starcraft 2, you are likely to have more fun, rage less, and actually get better at the game faster.

Cerety
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada5 Posts
September 08 2010 00:49 GMT
#124
Very good points. Out of all the real-life friends that I have on my SC2 friend's list, I'm the only player in Diamond. After seeing that, they see me as a pro and expects me to win a lot of games.

I let that got to my head so I would be striving to win every time to keep up my image, and I raged a few times when I lost some games. However, I had an epiphany yesterday - I shouldn't worry about win/loss. It's dumb to judge people like that, but we still do it subconsciously - it's like judging people on what they wear without getting to know them first.

Sure, the friends will criticize, and perhaps doubt that I'm not as good as they imagine, but screw them - at least I'm learning. Even if I'm dropping games now I feel that it's just going to be temporary. I treat it as an investment - an investment towards the future, since I'll be learning the timings and getting a sense of how the game is going to flow so I'll be able to apply the knowledge to future games and win (hopefully).

I did just that yesterday. I was learning how to play Zerg and I decided to give ladder a try. I was paired up with another Zerg, and I had never ZvZ before. I scouted a fast pool (probably on 13), but I still laid my pool down after my extractor because I want to see how many drones I can get away making and still be able to defend it. I got out a queen and two zerglings and took my natural. Shortly after that, his zerglings came marching into my base (I had to cancel my expansion, I think he had around six or eight). I used my queen and two lings, as well as the rest of my drones to defend, and I managed to hold him off! Even though I ended up losing that game, it felt extremely rewarding since I did not over-commit to get up a fast defense. I took a look at the replay, and we were neck to neck the entire game when I felt that I was extremely behind - my drone count outnumbered his by three (I had ninety-one and he had eighty-eighty), and the only reason why he was able to win the game was because he had mutas while I only had roaches, zerglings and banelings. It's a lesson towards the future that I'll need to scout with an overlord or overseer

I had fun, and I look forward to playing when I get home tonight!
Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
September 08 2010 00:56 GMT
#125
Wow, thanks for that post. It's not often I read an entire "How to" Post, especially one that detailed but i really enjoyed. My #1 issue in SC right now is being so caught up in my W/L and league rankings. I guess I just have to get into the "flow".
Naftali
Profile Joined August 2010
United States54 Posts
September 08 2010 01:24 GMT
#126
Very nice post.

Over the long weekend I played a bit of SC2 (finally got my fifty wins as Terran achievement. yeah, I'm awesome , watched Mad Men and practiced the piano. While Mad Men is pretty cool, it has nothing to do with this post.

As I practiced a Bach Invention, it occurred to me that playing the piano as a hobby is actually alot like playing Starcraft for me. I'm not going to be a concert pianist, and I'm not going to be a pro Starcraft player. Heck, I'll be lucky to ever make diamond, frankly. But I've found that I get intense enjoyment out of both activities if I'm in the right mindset while doing it. If I play Starcraft to enjoy the feeling of seeing my APM rise naturally, of making smoother opening builds, of transitioning better, of scouting and reacting to the information I gain better, and in micro-ing better, then I enjoy the game whether I win or lose.

Likewise if I play the piano to appreciate the genius of the composer and my own patience in training my fingers to pick out difficult passages, then I don't need to have anyone tell me I'm good.

The OP makes interesting points about practicing as well. If you try to sit down and play a piece of even moderate difficulty that you've never seen before straight through, you might be able to make it sound alright if you're a very good sight-reader, but you'll never really make it sing. However, if you break it down measure by measure and phrase by phrase,concentrating first on fingerings, then on rhythm, then on speed, and so on, it will quickly come together and you'll play it like you were born knowing it. Just as you'd never practice playing the whole piece until the very end of your time with it, playing solely to win at Starcraft only leads to disappointment.
geek0
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark32 Posts
September 08 2010 01:27 GMT
#127
nah i disagree

just have fun with sc2 your way

if you like winning , try to win

if you like playing 3v3 and massing void rays do that.. whatever
obviously if you become frustrated with the game change how youre playing
Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 01:38:08
September 08 2010 01:37 GMT
#128
Thanks for the post. Things I took from it:

#1 thing - most important - Don't focus on winning. Focus on the process.

and, Your skill ceiling will become larger if you intrinsically like performing the act itself; not what the act results in.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
September 08 2010 01:42 GMT
#129
very very nice post. this is basically how to play
rea1ity
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom385 Posts
September 08 2010 01:45 GMT
#130
Great post, it's important to get your behaviour and mentality right because if you get it wrong, the game cannot be rewarding for you.

Winning is just an after-effect of achieving your smaller goals.
그 스타 크래프트의 꿈, 그 꿈 생활
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
September 08 2010 01:47 GMT
#131
fantastic post, I think it explains why i was so eager to play when I first got the game and was palpably improving every game, and now play less often because i have too much focus on winning.
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ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
February 01 2011 11:39 GMT
#132
Man this post is so freaking good and I just now discovered it. I'm bumping this because it showed up on reddit today and since the last post was in September perhaps it's worth a revisit and I'm sure many others haven't yet come across it.

Articulating 'the zone' is very difficult. Bravo.
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered.
pRo9aMeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
595 Posts
February 01 2011 11:56 GMT
#133
I can't believe I missed this the first time around...excellent post sir^^
In training...let's play, gg! d^..^b
Eka
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden71 Posts
February 01 2011 12:02 GMT
#134
Awesome post, thanks alot for brining it up again. Way to much wisdom to get lost in the dusty archives.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
February 01 2011 12:17 GMT
#135
An example of that rare thing: A good thread necro. Glad I read it: I know a lot of that stuff, but not in the detail you describe, and it's always good to be reminded of these things.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Mr.Brightside
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia317 Posts
February 01 2011 12:23 GMT
#136
I haven't seen this thread before and I think it's great, I do get frustrated and I suffer pretty much from everything that you shouldn't do, I guess. I get a lot of satisfaction from having a build and it all going according to plan, but there are a lot of situations where I think it's all fine and then I lose and there's no consoling me. It's never enjoyable to lose so I don't really know how you can turn that situation into fun.
"Makin' Pylons, Makin' Probes, Fightin' Round The World" - Russell Crowe
KpR
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania14 Posts
February 01 2011 13:09 GMT
#137
great post, thumbs up to the OP.
mass turtle-ling ftw
Dexterique
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia14 Posts
November 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#138
Thank you for writing such a wonderful post. Much appreciated
Enjoy the little things in life~!
kankerganker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark58 Posts
November 14 2011 17:36 GMT
#139
thank you for necroing this thread, didnt see it before, definately worth the read.
sammy5222000
Profile Joined January 2011
United States44 Posts
November 14 2011 17:46 GMT
#140
amazing read. Thank you for taking the time to write this post up to help us, gamers. Will definitely be trying to apply this to my play.
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