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On August 06 2010 08:37 Puosu wrote:
This will most likely be prohibited in most tournaments and thus if you're serious about the game you should learn to time in your head instead of depending on the clock. Having to depend on third party applications will be detrimental in the long run to any player's skill level.
Technically also Blizzard could ban for this from what I know even if its very unlikely they would care enough.
This is a separate program running on your computer (unless I'm wrong--that's why you need window or fullscreen window mode). How is this even detectable (in a lan-style tourney, you can obviously just have people watch the screen, but I'm assuming online tourney here)? Are you going to force everyone in an online tournament to shut down everything except Starcraft 2? What if they have a stopwatch sitting next to their computer? What if they play in window mode and have some other stopwatch or clock program running and leave it in view?
You can ban it, but doing so won't stop anyone smart from breaking the rule and getting away with it.
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Whether this is cheating or not is entirely subjective. I'm sure it won't be allowed at tournaments and really this might seem like a good idea at the start but you can easily become reliant on it and cripple your play.
As far as I know this is not bannable. It interacts with SC2 in no way shape or form.. it doesn't edit code it doesn't send or sniff packets, they'd have about as good of a time trying to ban you over running Foobar or Winamp in your background. Also as someone above said, you can accomplish the same thing by just wearing a watch or putting a clock on your computer desk.
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Seems like it would be really nice for learning and practicing initially. After you understand your timings you remove it and memorize the feel of what you have already learned with the clock.
I don't see why people are so negative about that concept.
In a tournie yeah this wouldn't be too nifty to allow and it should never be a crutch you always use, just one you use initially.
I used a stop watch at my computer when I was practicing and first learning in beta. Guess I was a horrible cheater man or something. But because of that I now have a good sense of what could be happening with any race in the first 5-8 minutes of the game.
Stepping stone yes, crutch no.
Thanks for the work OP.
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On August 06 2010 08:35 green.at wrote:
coming up next: the app that plays the game for you.
lol
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It's obviously good for practicing, of course it won't ever be allowed in tournaments.
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On August 06 2010 08:57 Backpack wrote:
It's obviously good for practicing, of course it won't ever be allowed in tournaments.
This post right here.
I honestly don't see the reason to attack anyone using it, it's not like we're going to see people using timers for tournies or pro games.
It's just a tool. Any tool can be abused.
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The timer should actually be a part of the game. It's stupid that it's not on it.
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On August 06 2010 09:32 Apolo wrote:
The timer should actually be a part of the game. It's stupid that it's not on it.
Yea that's really stupid, they should also make spawn larva right clickable and each time queen has enough mana, she would just auto-inject to all your hatcheries. Oh, and you shouldn't have to actually make unit, an AI should just determine for me if it's better to be pumping drone or start making hydra every time I get a new larva. Oh and unit should move and fight by themselves like in nexus war, it would make things a lot less complicated. Oh and... Let's make this game even more for casual than it already is.
/endsarcasm
That's why I wish progamers never switch to sc2 -.-
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On August 06 2010 09:38 MICHELLE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 09:32 Apolo wrote:
The timer should actually be a part of the game. It's stupid that it's not on it. Yea that's really stupid, they should also make spawn larva right clickable and each time queen has enough mana, she would just auto-inject to all your hatcheries. Oh, and you shouldn't have to actually make unit, an AI should just determine for me if it's better to be pumping drone or start making hydra every time I get a new larva. Oh and unit should move and fight by themselves like in nexus war, it would make things a lot less complicated. Oh and... Let's make this game even more for casual than it already is. /endsarcasm That's why I wish progamers never switch to sc2 -.-
Jesus, lots of smartass feedback on this thread <.<
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Wow why is everyone saying this is cheating, you will be banned, etc. Isn't it the same thing as having a sophisticated watch? Granted, it won't be allowed at tournaments, but I don't see what's wrong with it for normal play.
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Yeah^^ i don't trust anything ever since I got my Starcraft BW key banned for using the chaos launcher.. I was like O_O called blizzard talk to some chick for an hour and yeah they didn't do anything. Even if it's not "cheating" it's still "cheating" if you want a timer use this. ![[image loading]](http://www.timercentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/best-digital-kitchen-timer-Taylor-Digital-Minute-Second-Timer-5806.jpg) It's a timer for those who couldn't figure it out.
Although, the timer is pretty cool otherwise ^^ 
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like someone mentioned the app doesnt interfere with ur starcraft program in any way so u cant be banned for using it, comparing it to chaos launcher is ridiculous ^^
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I don't see this as more cheating than streamers getting advice and reminders from their chat and friends on skype while they play. I've seen this help in many games were someone wasn't sure what to do or when they forgot an important upgrade.
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I would use the timer not because I need to know when something is going to come.. (I have observers for that).. but because I just like knowing how long I have been in a game.. Some times a game has felt like it has been over an hour but really its just 20 minutes..
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You people are funny. Is it cheating to look at my stopwatch?
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Real men use their internal clocks. 
But in all honesty....are there any timing attacks out there that come out at a specific time? The amount of variation in Starcraft 2 is so vast that any timing attack designed for a singular purpose has a pretty crappy chance of success if the opponent just...deviates from his original plan.
Timers won't work as efficiently in SC2, primarily because we don't have any timing attack that comes out at "set" time. And the ones that do come out at a certain time are so basic and rudimentary that using a clock is just an extra burden.
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Do observers get an ingame timer? I know all pros have a great sense of timing and its one of their defening characteristics. But casual observers have no such thing. It'd be great to have something to compare against. Like if ProgamerA usually does his first attack around 3:00, but he suffered an early harass and now he can't move out until 3:50. Observers can note the real impact of the harass.
I recommend casters to use the timer, i feel it can only add to the observer experience
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Haha I made one of these during beta and posted it on these forums (yours is definitely nicer looking though.) Half the people in thread were grateful, other half were crying cheat (orb was very vocal!). Glad to see they are all still around.
And no, it does not break any rules as it doesn't interact with the game at all therefore is no different to having firefox open in the background.
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This is very neat. I'm getting an error for the link, though.
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