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kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom412 Posts
July 25 2010 23:27 GMT
#181
I remember i was training for wcg 2007 for around 8h-10h a day. It did pay off, as unknown player was able to take 4 place so i guess at least that if you want to be something near top
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sOvrn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States678 Posts
July 25 2010 23:32 GMT
#182
On July 26 2010 08:13 Sabresandiego wrote:

Both mental IQ and physical ability are elastic in that they can change. Generally your mental abilities are far less elastic than your physical abilities, but this does not mean they are inelastic.


I'm not sure if I'm understanding all this "raise your IQ with practice," but this quote is true. There is evidence suggesting that even just living with a person with a higher IQ (i.e. spouse) will increase your IQ scores, so I would agree that mental ability is somewhat elastic. But it's obvious that there is some sort of a limitation as it would be doubtful that anyone could raise their IQ from 100 to 160, assuming that there was no environmental factor that misrepresented the initial IQ score.
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Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 25 2010 23:35 GMT
#183
Well remember what Idra has said repeatedly - foreigners never practice enough. I'd think that like 3 blocks of 2-3 hours minimum might be good, but TAKE BREAKS! Playing for 8 hours straight is just detrimental to your mental and physical health and honestly won't help you improve. The brain just shuts down its ability to learn at that point.
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Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
July 25 2010 23:52 GMT
#184
Even though i gave some advice on how to spend a lot of hours playing effectively i will make clear i don't reccomend it to anyone. You have to think about if you really want to spend your youth playing the game. Ask yourself these questions:

You only have this life, then that's it. You'll only be young once. Do you really want to spend your youth, while you're hot, focusing on a game 24/7 instead of having friends, perhaps a girlfriend or a boyfriend, competing in other sport just for fun?

Are you doing what you believe in, or are you settling for what you are doing? Are you settling on game because you think you can't achieve more / are too nerdy to go out and live a "normal" life? That can be overcome, but time can't go back.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 00:00:02
July 25 2010 23:55 GMT
#185
On July 26 2010 08:27 kYem wrote:
I remember i was training for wcg 2007 for around 8h-10h a day. It did pay off, as unknown player was able to take 4 place so i guess at least that if you want to be something near top


I hate to say it, but that means very little if you are in fact from the U.K. There are very few well really good BW players from those parts. Midian is a fantastic player, but other than him there are very few.

Duelist, don't get all sentimental on us. They will do whatever they want with their leisure time. Let them live the dream and some of them might do a okay.

With that said, you really don't need to be spending 12 hours a day practicing non-stop. In fact some really good players practice about half that and in some cases players like Mondragon have the raw talent to pick up the game and practice 4-6 hours for a few weeks before certain tourneys and they still do alright. Raw talent. ;/
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 26 2010 00:15 GMT
#186
On July 26 2010 08:52 Duelist wrote:
competing in other sport just for fun?


You realize there are people (including me) for whom the idea of "competing for fun" is ridiculous?

I literally cannot understand people who enjoy playing a game when they aren't improving with the explicit goal of being the best player of that game in the world.
Like a G6
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
July 26 2010 00:18 GMT
#187
jesus christ, i thought 2 hours in one day was a long time. no wonder i couldnt make it past gold in beta
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
July 26 2010 00:20 GMT
#188
Stupid Topic needs a stupid answer:

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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 26 2010 00:22 GMT
#189
On July 26 2010 08:07 jabberwokie wrote:
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making micro easier and reducing reliance on APM is actually a good thing. We're going to be seeing games like this turn into strategic battles of wit instead of representations of mechanical practice.


Too bad observing mechanical dominance is easier then observing mental dominance and this negative dichotomy impacts the watchability and thus the design emphasis and decision making.


I seriously doubt anyone watches commentated games because they are so impressed with NonY's spamming APM or able to balance micro and macro in the heat of a battle.
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Meldrath
Profile Joined June 2010
United States620 Posts
July 26 2010 00:22 GMT
#190
This thread is just a waste, Its to much up for debate and opinion you will never be able to "perfect" a training regiment for a game to make you the (start the pokemon theme music) Very best like no one ever waaasssss! haha yeah it depends on the player where he/she wants to be and how much natural talent/intelligence you have.. I reckon someone with an 80 IQ is gunna need longer practice times to be on an even playing field with someone like me with 147 IQ becuase we just learn faster. befor anyone says anything about my grammer or spelling yeah I know its crap!.:'90
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starcat
Profile Joined July 2010
66 Posts
July 26 2010 00:28 GMT
#191
Sorry, its not just hours/day that will make you successful. Many of us could put 10 hours/day in and still not be near the top of the lists. You can practice all you want, but there comes a point where raw talent will take you to the next level. You cant just decide all of a sudden that you want to be a pro then start practicing. Doesnt work that way.



harky
Profile Joined July 2010
98 Posts
July 26 2010 00:35 GMT
#192
You can't put a number on it. At the point that you start to lose concentration you should stop and at least take ~30 minute break. If you still can't concentrate then you should either call it a day, or take a break of at least a couple hours. For me I can do about a 8 hours a day and not burn out. If you listen to that interview with IdrA even he says he's doing 12 hours days, but he's burning out at about 10 hours. He is required to do those 2 hours extra, but it's most likely not helping him. If you burn out at 2-4 hours I wouldn't count on making it much beyond Silver.
Two
Profile Joined May 2010
United States95 Posts
July 26 2010 00:46 GMT
#193
On July 26 2010 07:48 ProHellZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 07:12 Two wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:10 iEchoic wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:10 Two wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:06 Sabresandiego wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:
On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.

-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades

However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank.


I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body.

All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play.

-High productivity
-Active social life (Starcraft community and real life)
-Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER])
-Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D
-Awesome girlfriend
-High self esteem
-Good job, Good grades

Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =]


What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is.


12 hours a day is for a pro gamer... someone who's life is dedicated to the game, not your average TeamLiquid member.


Quoting the original post:

"...To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer ...."


Quoting the original post:

"How many SC2 hours/day is the most efficient?"


The topic is called "How many SC2 hours/day is the most efficient?" and the poster said, "To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer, I'm on the fence what number is the "sweet spot" for me, or people in general." That means the poster wants to know how many hours he should practice per day to become a SC2 pro-gamer. So, your measly 4-6 hours of practice per day is invalid to this topic. Also, it's too early to say how many hours someone needs to become a SC2 pro-gamer since this game is not even out! Moreover, people in general do not have right ideas on how to become a SC2 pro-gamer yet.


You don't even know what you are talking about sir =]
-HellZerg-
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 01:23:06
July 26 2010 00:53 GMT
#194
On July 26 2010 09:46 Two wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 07:48 ProHellZerg wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:12 Two wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:10 iEchoic wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:10 Two wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:06 Sabresandiego wrote:
On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:
On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.

-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades

However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank.


I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body.

All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play.

-High productivity
-Active social life (Starcraft community and real life)
-Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER])
-Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D
-Awesome girlfriend
-High self esteem
-Good job, Good grades

Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =]


What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is.


12 hours a day is for a pro gamer... someone who's life is dedicated to the game, not your average TeamLiquid member.


Quoting the original post:

"...To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer ...."


Quoting the original post:

"How many SC2 hours/day is the most efficient?"


The topic is called "How many SC2 hours/day is the most efficient?" and the poster said, "To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer, I'm on the fence what number is the "sweet spot" for me, or people in general." That means the poster wants to know how many hours he should practice per day to become a SC2 pro-gamer. So, your measly 4-6 hours of practice per day is invalid to this topic. Also, it's too early to say how many hours someone needs to become a SC2 pro-gamer since this game is not even out! Moreover, people in general do not have right ideas on how to become a SC2 pro-gamer yet.


You don't even know what you are talking about sir =]


Then prove it. Actually, you are the one who doesn't even know what one's talking about. Sabresandiego actually said at the end of his first paragraph, "The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.

-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades"

But, you deviated from this Excessive Gaming idea and said instead that you only play 4-6 hours a day and gained the following:

-High productivity
-Active social life (Starcraft community and real life)
-Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER])
-Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D
-Awesome girlfriend
-High self esteem
-Good job, Good grades

So, do you really consider 4-6 hours a day of playing SC2 as Excessive Gaming? Hell no.
We are what we repeatedly do; excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
cyrus.beacon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States22 Posts
July 26 2010 00:58 GMT
#195
On July 26 2010 08:52 Duelist wrote:
Even though i gave some advice on how to spend a lot of hours playing effectively i will make clear i don't reccomend it to anyone. You have to think about if you really want to spend your youth playing the game. Ask yourself these questions:

You only have this life, then that's it. You'll only be young once. Do you really want to spend your youth, while you're hot, focusing on a game 24/7 instead of having friends, perhaps a girlfriend or a boyfriend, competing in other sport just for fun?

Are you doing what you believe in, or are you settling for what you are doing? Are you settling on game because you think you can't achieve more / are too nerdy to go out and live a "normal" life? That can be overcome, but time can't go back.


Ok I only read the first and last page of this thread, but I have to say that with the exception of Duelist up here you people are all crazy. Look, I love SC too, but are you all planning on becoming pros? How are you going to survive in life? Outside of Korea no one is making a living playing videogames. That may change with the launch of SC2 and Blizzard's supposed focus on esports, who knows, but man, all I can say is, ReMeDy, if you are 24, don't have a degree yet, have no job, live with your parents, don't have a girlfriend, and play SC 6+ hours a day, you are not setting yourself up for a very happy life ten years from now. All the rest of you shouldn't jump in here and encourage him! SC is my favorite game of all time and deserves all the success it's had, but nobody should throw their life away for it. If you are serious about going pro, then practice 12 hours a day for half a year and see where it gets you. But the fact that you would even come on this forum and ask, essentially, what the minimum amount of time is rather than just taking it on yourself to grind lends me to think you'd be better off focusing on your studies, career, and social life, and just keeping SC as a hobby.
cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 01:14:50
July 26 2010 01:07 GMT
#196
On July 25 2010 16:18 MuTT wrote:
I find it horrifying that people are actually trying to be pro gamers. Such a terrible idea! Get a degree in computer science or engineering and you will have a better income for the rest of your life with less work. Being a progamer takes the fun out of the game because you are playing because you have too. If you get burned out it must be like working 12 hours a day at any other shitty job.
Let's assess the gains and risk
+'s
-small chance of earning 6 figure / famous among nerds
-enjoy what you play (best case)

-'s
- zero social life
-most likely will be making less than minimum wage
-not a good future for after sc2
- Most likely will postpone getting laid by years
-Stressful/ not a steady income
- Good chance of not liking the game you play
- Cannot go on extended breaks
- Competing with other people who are fanatical to get that small sum of money
-list goes on and one but i don't wanna stretch this out
TL;DR: Being a pro gamer is one of the worst 'careers' imaginable


You obviously never experienced this kind of activity. You wouldn't be saying this otherwise.

Also, there is no reason to not like the game you play, if you try to make a living, or at least being full time gamer in a game you don't even enjoy to the point you can play it 10+ hours a day, then yeah it's completely stupid. As stupid as working in something you don't like, it will never last long.

Edit : Dont' forget that people who actually were into some progaming carrer have a very huge credibility in the eyes of companies working in the field of video games, so they can actually work with those as they are kind of video game icons who a huge part of the gamers around the world would know. Being associated with such guys increase the company's credibility a lot, so don't worry about them. However it's true that this will be the case mostly for the very best ones, but with esports keeping growing and growing I'm not really worried about it getting recognised as a sport such as football or so.
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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 01:29:44
July 26 2010 01:23 GMT
#197
On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.

-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades

However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank.


WARNING
excessive gaming or any sort of ambition to become a pro gamer will lead to:
-inability to read, write, or learn
-inability to talk/have fun with girls
-permanent depression/poor self confidence
-infertility and probably aids too

seriously guy
most college students that I know already work 8 hours a day while maintaining a high GPA and an active social life
Replace those working hours with a gaming profession
some people have inherited good financial circumstances and aren't jeopardizing themselves whatsoever by playing video games

what fucked up world do you guys live in that 6-8 hours a day is not enough to stay healthy
the maximum I needed to maintain a ripped physique was 1 hour a day at the home gym (back when i cared about superficial non sense)
eat and work out quickly at home and minimize your daily commute and voila
you fucking magically have spare time now
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
July 26 2010 01:36 GMT
#198
You can play 10-12 hours a day and not make any progress whatsoever. Likewise, you can play 4-5 hours and make tons of progress. This is no different than trying to excel in any profession or area of expertise. You need to know how to:

1) divide your time to actually work on your short comings
2) know how to study & the best way to study (i.e. for an extreme, in calculus, someone who memorizes all the derivatives for every equation in the textbook vs someone who learns the general rule)
3) gauge your progress with feedback from others who are professionals or more experienced than you are. Because, really, forum advice can only go so far.

However, to become proficient in any skill takes a lot of long hours. It depends on how commited you are to the craft, so to speak. I'd wager 10-12 hours a day are pretty normal for starting off pro-gamers. Ask any graduate student, 10 hour days are typical. I used to work 12 hours at my lab for 5-6 days a week. After I learned the ins and outs of how to get work done in a timely and correct manner, I started working about 10 hours 5 days a week (yeah I'm a lazy grad student).

If you aren't looking to get pro-gamer status, probably 5-6 hours a day would get you pretty far (top of your division) if you aren't wasting your time and are learning from your mistakes.
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SayfT
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia298 Posts
July 26 2010 01:39 GMT
#199
2-3 hours 2 days a week too much uni work + other commitments
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
July 26 2010 01:43 GMT
#200
btw, for people who is wondering. I started out as copper in SCII. It was only the last half month that I made it to Diamond league. At my peak I was in the top 100 best player point wise on the EU server (hovering at 600 points). I probably spent maybe 2 hours in-game each day to go from Copper to top 100.
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