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On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =]
You realize that 4-6 hours of SC2 every day is not enough to be a SC2 pro-gamer right? We are not talking about playing SC2 as a hobby here.
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On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =]
I find it really hard to believe someone with high self-esteem would need to post a 4-paragraph long brag thread on an internet forum. Just wow.
4-6 hours is nothing compared to what progamers play, by the way.
On July 26 2010 07:02 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:00 iEchoic wrote:
It's actually not subjective at all. Have you gone to college? And that is subjective, because people have different interests, talents, abilities, speeds, and so forth. And its not like you have to take a hard degree anyway.
You're just arguing semantics. Different degrees require different time commitments, you can call your local university and ask them and they'll tell you. I can't believe I'm arguing this, Jesus.
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On July 26 2010 06:42 superbabosheki wrote:
For casual gamers that want to still be good at the game , 3-5 hours per day seems ideal and should be easy to fit into school/social life.
I don't believe in "progaming." The amount of time and dedication you have to put into the game is ridiculous, having to play at least 8 hours per day. Very few will make any sort of living playing this game in favor or finishing a degree or having any social life in general. There really is no stable future in playing video games.
I agree. For every one player who makes it, maybe four failed and crashed their life horribly. It just isn't something worth gambling for, not even if you know it is what you really, really want.
Honestly, if you want to be the next Flash, then you should be going 12+ hours a day. If you must be the best, then you must practice more than others. None of this "comprehension" stuff is going to get you anywhere, because if you are shooting for #1 and aren't practicing as much as you humanly can, then there is going to be someone out there who is and who will take you down on the way. Even if you want to be the next TLO/White-Ra/IdrA/anyone, I'd say a practice schedule that is near inhumane would be the only way to catch up to them.
The thing is, StarCraft is a competitive game. If you aren't #1, then you aren't a winner no matter what you tell yourself. So if you want to be #1, then you need to be practicing as much as you can because there is going to be someone who is if you don't. If you are shooting for Flash or even foreign pros, then if you don't go all in you are all out.
If you just want to be decent, then I don't see any reason why you should put yourself through misery. I myself practice only 2-3 hours a day maybe, sometimes even 0 hours if I'm busy with other stuff. Just play until you want to stop and listen to your body. It is just a game in the end.
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On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =]
What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is.
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What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is.
Wouldn't this be most Korean Pro Gamers? Just look at how they live. Isn't there even a reality show about it somewhere?
I mean, don't we already do plenty of interviews with pro gamers? How many of the sc2 beta starts are unhealthy, unproductive douchebags with horrible health problems and no life?
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On July 26 2010 07:06 Sabresandiego wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =] What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is.
12 hours a day is for a pro gamer... someone who's life is dedicated to the game, not your average TeamLiquid member.
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On July 26 2010 07:10 Two wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:06 Sabresandiego wrote:On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =] What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is. 12 hours a day is for a pro gamer... someone who's life is dedicated to the game, not your average TeamLiquid member.
Quoting the original post:
"...To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer ...."
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On July 26 2010 07:04 ProHellZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =] You realize that 4-6 hours of SC2 every day is not enough to be a SC2 pro-gamer right? We are not talking about playing SC2 as a hobby here.
Obviously... anyone who plays a game for 12 hours a day cannot fit a normal life in between a 24 hour day. You are arguing about nothing.
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On July 26 2010 07:10 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:10 Two wrote:On July 26 2010 07:06 Sabresandiego wrote:On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =] What you just said to me is that you don't play in excess, and are therefore not a victim of the problems I listed for people who DO play in excess. Try playing the game 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week instead of the 4-6 you do and you will see how real my list truly is. 12 hours a day is for a pro gamer... someone who's life is dedicated to the game, not your average TeamLiquid member. Quoting the original post: "...To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer ...."
Quoting the original post:
"How many SC2 hours/day is the most efficient?"
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On July 26 2010 07:05 iEchoic wrote:
You're just arguing semantics. Different degrees require different time commitments, you can call your local university and ask them and they'll tell you. I can't believe I'm arguing this, Jesus.
And you're arguing nonsense.
Different people can do a given task at different speeds.
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On July 26 2010 07:12 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:05 iEchoic wrote:
You're just arguing semantics. Different degrees require different time commitments, you can call your local university and ask them and they'll tell you. I can't believe I'm arguing this, Jesus. And you're arguing nonsense. Different people can do a given task at different speeds.
Exactly. Some people can go pro playing 6-8 hours a day when others need 10-12 for example...
Or if we're talking about school, that too.
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I try to practise about four hours a day when I can, and that tends to be enough to maintain Diamond-level skills and keep my casting sharp.
But really, it's all about what you're doing. Always always always review replays.
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On July 26 2010 07:12 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:05 iEchoic wrote:
You're just arguing semantics. Different degrees require different time commitments, you can call your local university and ask them and they'll tell you. I can't believe I'm arguing this, Jesus. And you're arguing nonsense. Different people can do a given task at different speeds.
The degrees that I say take a lot of time require a large bulk of work which cannot be reduced significantly by understanding the material. I'm an engineering major and we're assigned things that take 4-16 hours to complete per assignment, simply because there is a lot of work. My teacher last semester would tell us how long it took him to complete the assignment, i.e. "it took me about 6 hours to finish, so I'd schedule about 8-12 for yourselves". A lot of engineering and science fields require huge time devotion unrelated to your skill/knowledge of the task.
Obviously if you don't know what you're doing, it will take longer. But you're not finishing your engineering work in 30 minutes. It's not economics. There are some degrees which force you to do a lot of work because the process develops skills. Some degrees are more focused on finding information - and if you already have that information, it will obviously be much faster.
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On July 26 2010 07:17 iEchoic wrote:
The degrees that I say take a lot of time require a large bulk of work which cannot be reduced significantly by understanding the material. I'm an engineering major and we're assigned things that take 4-16 hours to complete per assignment, simply because there is a lot of work. My teacher last semester would tell us how long it took him to complete the assignment, i.e. "it took me about 6 hours to finish, so I'd schedule about 8-12 for yourselves".
So what you should have said was "dont do engineering", not "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GOOD GRADES".
If I'm really so wrong on this, then call up some universities and tell them they've got it backwards and don't know what they're talking about, because this is standard practice.
You're talking about the very hard end of the "difficulty spectrum" of degrees. There is no reason to assume that everyone is doing such a degree. I wouldn't touch engineering with a 10 foot pole even if I had the time.
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On July 26 2010 07:18 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:17 iEchoic wrote:
The degrees that I say take a lot of time require a large bulk of work which cannot be reduced significantly by understanding the material. I'm an engineering major and we're assigned things that take 4-16 hours to complete per assignment, simply because there is a lot of work. My teacher last semester would tell us how long it took him to complete the assignment, i.e. "it took me about 6 hours to finish, so I'd schedule about 8-12 for yourselves". You're talking about the very hard end of the "difficulty spectrum" of degrees. There is no reason to assume that everyone is doing such a degree. I wouldn't touch engineering with a 10 foot pole even if I had the time.
Of course not, I'm just saying that people get mislead when they see people saying they can play SC2 10 hours a day and go to college and get good grades. This may not be possible based on their degree.
I think we agree now.
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On July 26 2010 07:11 Two wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 07:04 ProHellZerg wrote:On July 26 2010 07:01 Two wrote:On July 26 2010 06:45 Sabresandiego wrote:
You cant convince nerds to stop gaming 8 hours a day just like you cant convince fat people to stop eating all day (trust me I have tried). The bottom line is this: Excessive Gaming has the following negative effects on most people.
-Low productivity
-Poor Social Life
-Poor Health
-Ugly from lack of exercize and sun
-No girlfriend
-No self esteem
-No job, bad grades
However if you dont value any of the above things than feel free to game all day long every day. Its the same with fat people. If they would rather eat whatever they want and eat all the time, rather than look good and have good health it is the choice they made. When they are in the hospital with heart disease 20 years later, they can only blame themselves. As for the gamer, when you are 40-50 and broke with no wife or gf and no longer a progamer you have only yourself to thank. I'm pretty sure this is all wrong. I'm 19 and have been playing Blizzard games since 98. I do play competatively and it hasn't changed my life in any way, if anything it's made my life better. If you let the game become your reality, it might change you. I have a girlfriend, I get straight A's in my Univeristy classes, I'm tan, I have an above average ripped body. All of what you said I have to disagree on. I plan on playing starcraft 4-6 hours a day of solid competative play. -High productivity -Active social life (Starcraft community and real life) -Great Health (Eating right, Working out, Staying away from parties [NOT KILLING MY LIVER]) -Sexy from lots of exercize and sun ;D -Awesome girlfriend -High self esteem -Good job, Good grades Now what you posted might of been describing you, but not most of us here imo. Try not being a jerk, it's not nice =] You realize that 4-6 hours of SC2 every day is not enough to be a SC2 pro-gamer right? We are not talking about playing SC2 as a hobby here. Obviously... anyone who plays a game for 12 hours a day cannot fit a normal life in between a 24 hour day. You are arguing about nothing.
And your arguments are even more pointless. All of your points do not apply to someone who already is on a path to becoming a SC2 pro-gamer.
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Your question is oxymoronic. What volume will determine efficiency? Volume and efficiency aren't dependant, one does not affect the other.
My advice for efficient practice (or perhaps more appropriately effective development) is to divide focus between practice, observation, analysis and dialog. If you don't practice you can't develop execution. If you don't think about what you're doing and analyze it then you for-fit the possibility of insight. If you have no insight you will find it difficult to engage in meaning full dialog. If you restrict yourself to independent development by neglecting dialog then you miss the benefit of other peoples insights. Winning is the product of combining insight and execution better then your opponent.
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On July 26 2010 07:21 iEchoic wrote:
Of course not, I'm just saying that people get mislead when they see people saying they can play SC2 10 hours a day and go to college and get good grades. This may not be possible based on their degree.
I think we agree now.
Well, yes. But its not a given that you can't manage an education along with 10-12 hours of SC2 per day. For some people, perhaps they will even choose their degree to enable that (hint: pick philosophy).
My point was that the idiot I initially quoted was vastly overgeneralizing on at least the two points I quoted (and really, on every point).
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dont bother practicing if you dont feel like playing. You wont learn a thing. Best advice is to span it out in 2-3 hour practices 3 times a day and take 1 day off a week.
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Idra says that NA players do not play enough. He may think that Koreans play too much, but that's way better than playing too little. Huk is over rated and when real players start performing and learning the game he will not stand a chance. Pro Korean players play 12-14 hours a day for a reason and if you are serious about being a pro gamer then I wouldn't suggest doing any less than 10 hours a day. But the quality of playing does matter. If you play trash then you will get no better. Find a good practice partner.
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