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I also find quite depressing that people are still hear screaming about how the only way to have a good an healthy life is to meet women, go to the gym and have a job. Some were also talking about lack of self esteem or whatever, but that's those guys going to the gym just to look better who have clear problems of esteem, if they don't like the way they actually are and are trying to change to something more in the norms of the cool ripped guy. Even if there are actually people who simply do it because they enjoy it, but I've seen a shitload of people going into this bandwagon full of people going to the gym to be well seen and get women.
There is no standards for a happy life, a happy life for someone could be a horrible one for anyone else, and I just can't get why people try to standardize the goals someone should have in life. If you're happy playing games 14 hours a day and enjoy it, and if it makes you happy and feel alive then go for it. If you're happy studying 14 hours a day, then go for it. If you're happy womanising all the time, then go for it. If you're happy going to the gym 2 times a day, go for it.
If there is something I've learnt in my short life, it is not to leave your dreams slip away because you forced yourself into standards people usually tell around you. You will only have painful regrets that will stay your whole life. If people say gaming won't let you have a happy life and that you won't earn enough, that you need to study etc, that's maybe true, but once you've done what people told you, and got your diplomas, your job, and earn enough to make a living, then what ?
I'm probably too young (23 recently) to tell if it would be really be like this, but even now, I've left many things because of my studies for example, and that's the most painful thing to know you've left that many awesome chances to live up to the dreams you had, for what ? To match the western standards and take the most secure road of living ? That's really sad.
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On July 26 2010 11:13 cArn- wrote:
I also find quite depressing that people are still hear screaming about how the only way to have a good an healthy life is to meet women, go to the gym and have a job. Some were also talking about lack of self esteem or whatever, but that's those guys going to the gym just to look better who have clear problems of esteem, if they don't like the way they actually are and are trying to change to something more in the norms of the cool ripped guy. Even if there are actually people who simply do it because they enjoy it, but I've seen a shitload of people going into this bandwagon full of people going to the gym to be well seen and get women.
There is no standards for a happy life, a happy life for someone could be a horrible one for anyone else, and I just can't get why people try to standardize the goals someone should have in life. If you're happy playing games 14 hours a day and enjoy it, and if it makes you happy and feel alive then go for it. If you're happy studying 14 hours a day, then go for it. If you're happy womanising all the time, then go for it. If you're happy going to the gym 2 times a day, go for it.
If there is something I've learnt in my short life, it is not to leave your dreams slip away because you forced yourself into standards people usually tell around you. You will only have painful regrets that will stay your whole life. If people say gaming won't let you have a happy life and that you won't earn enough, that you need to study etc, that's maybe true, but once you've done what people told you, and got your diplomas, your job, and earn enough to make a living, then what ?
I'm probably too young (23 recently) to tell if it would be really be like this, but even now, I've left many things because of my studies for example, and that's the most painful thing to know you've left that many awesome chances to live up to the dreams you had, for what ? To match the western standards and take the most secure road of living ? That's really sad.
Everyone has to settle into a boring 9-5 job and pop two children or else burn in hell!!!
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for those people that have jobs out there, they should at least play like 4 hours a day if they wanna do some what good in any tournaments and other activities that awaits for sc2.
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On July 26 2010 11:13 cArn- wrote:
I also find quite depressing that people are still hear screaming about how the only way to have a good an healthy life is to meet women, go to the gym and have a job. Some were also talking about lack of self esteem or whatever, but that's those guys going to the gym just to look better who have clear problems of esteem, if they don't like the way they actually are and are trying to change to something more in the norms of the cool ripped guy. Even if there are actually people who simply do it because they enjoy it, but I've seen a shitload of people going into this bandwagon full of people going to the gym to be well seen and get women.
There is no standards for a happy life, a happy life for someone could be a horrible one for anyone else, and I just can't get why people try to standardize the goals someone should have in life. If you're happy playing games 14 hours a day and enjoy it, and if it makes you happy and feel alive then go for it. If you're happy studying 14 hours a day, then go for it. If you're happy womanising all the time, then go for it. If you're happy going to the gym 2 times a day, go for it.
If there is something I've learnt in my short life, it is not to leave your dreams slip away because you forced yourself into standards people usually tell around you. You will only have painful regrets that will stay your whole life. If people say gaming won't let you have a happy life and that you won't earn enough, that you need to study etc, that's maybe true, but once you've done what people told you, and got your diplomas, your job, and earn enough to make a living, then what ?
I'm probably too young (23 recently) to tell if it would be really be like this, but even now, I've left many things because of my studies for example, and that's the most painful thing to know you've left that many awesome chances to live up to the dreams you had, for what ? To match the western standards and take the most secure road of living ? That's really sad.
cArn - I completely agree! Everyone should live their life as best suits them. However, I personally believe that part of being an adult means you don't rely on other people for support. How many people do you know that can support themselves financially and still play games 14 hours a day? If you can, and that's all you want to do, more power to you. But then again: when you're still working the same shit job at 50 and you have health problems and no benefits, will gaming still be enough to make you happy?
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On July 26 2010 11:13 cArn- wrote:
If there is something I've learnt in my short life, it is not to leave your dreams slip away because you forced yourself into standards people usually tell around you. You will only have painful regrets that will stay your whole life. If people say gaming won't let you have a happy life and that you won't earn enough, that you need to study etc, that's maybe true, but once you've done what people told you, and got your diplomas, your job, and earn enough to make a living, then what ?
I'm probably too young (23 recently) to tell if it would be really be like this, but even now, I've left many things because of my studies for example, and that's the most painful thing to know you've left that many awesome chances to live up to the dreams you had, for what ? To match the western standards and take the most secure road of living ? That's really sad.
This isn't good advice. You make it sound like people who discourage this are dream-crushers who eat kittens for fun. Nobody is telling you not to play videogames. They're telling people not to spend 12 hours gaming and make it your only life because odds are it won't work out and you'll be worse off than you were before.
Even the successful pro gamers who rely on SC to sustain themselves are going to be out of luck once SC2 stops being a popular game or when they retire. Those skills don't carry over to anything else and they aren't making any more money than someone working at McD's.
I plan to play this game competitively, it'll just be in my spare time. The only thing people are discouraging is playing 12-16 hours a day.
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On July 26 2010 12:00 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 11:13 cArn- wrote:
If there is something I've learnt in my short life, it is not to leave your dreams slip away because you forced yourself into standards people usually tell around you. You will only have painful regrets that will stay your whole life. If people say gaming won't let you have a happy life and that you won't earn enough, that you need to study etc, that's maybe true, but once you've done what people told you, and got your diplomas, your job, and earn enough to make a living, then what ?
I'm probably too young (23 recently) to tell if it would be really be like this, but even now, I've left many things because of my studies for example, and that's the most painful thing to know you've left that many awesome chances to live up to the dreams you had, for what ? To match the western standards and take the most secure road of living ? That's really sad. This isn't good advice. You make it sound like people who discourage this are dream-crushers who eat kittens for fun. Nobody is telling you not to play videogames. They're telling people not to spend 12 hours gaming and make it your only life because odds are it won't work out and you'll be worse off than you were before. Even the successful pro gamers are going to be out of luck once SC2 stops being a popular game or when they retire. Those skills don't carry over to anything else and they aren't making any more money than someone working at McD's.
And thats silly, is the point.
There is no decision you can possibly make that will not render you worse-off in some way. All actions have an opportunity cost.
The only person who can ever know if gaming for 12 hours a day is a good or bad decision is the person making that decision.
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On July 26 2010 12:02 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 12:00 iEchoic wrote:On July 26 2010 11:13 cArn- wrote:
If there is something I've learnt in my short life, it is not to leave your dreams slip away because you forced yourself into standards people usually tell around you. You will only have painful regrets that will stay your whole life. If people say gaming won't let you have a happy life and that you won't earn enough, that you need to study etc, that's maybe true, but once you've done what people told you, and got your diplomas, your job, and earn enough to make a living, then what ?
I'm probably too young (23 recently) to tell if it would be really be like this, but even now, I've left many things because of my studies for example, and that's the most painful thing to know you've left that many awesome chances to live up to the dreams you had, for what ? To match the western standards and take the most secure road of living ? That's really sad. This isn't good advice. You make it sound like people who discourage this are dream-crushers who eat kittens for fun. Nobody is telling you not to play videogames. They're telling people not to spend 12 hours gaming and make it your only life because odds are it won't work out and you'll be worse off than you were before. Even the successful pro gamers are going to be out of luck once SC2 stops being a popular game or when they retire. Those skills don't carry over to anything else and they aren't making any more money than someone working at McD's. There is no decision you can possibly make that will not render you worse-off in some way. All actions have an opportunity cost.
Why do you make everything so subjective? There are objective realities in this world. For example, stabbing yourself in the face will render you worse-off than not stabbing yourself in the face. I could present this argument to you and you'd try to make it sound like everyone would experience this differently and everyone has their own priorities.
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On July 26 2010 12:04 iEchoic wrote:
Why do you make everything so subjective?
Because it is.
There are objective realities in this world. For example, stabbing yourself in the face will render you worse-off than not stabbing yourself in the face.
Not if you want to kill yourself? Not if you enjoy pain/self-mutilation?
I could present this argument to you and you'd try to make it sound like everyone would experience this differently and everyone has their own priorities.
It doesn't matter how ridiculous the "what if" I present is - if there exists a valid "what if", its subjective.
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People think that the "pro-haters" bash pro gamer wannabes. I would also equally bash someone trying to professionally play basketball, or any other sport where 1 guy succeeds, and 25 people fail.
On the other hand, saying that playing games will suddenly make you a antisocial 40 year old virgin with 3 ears is false. I still have 2 ears.
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On July 25 2010 14:59 -ReMeDy- wrote:To be a top of the line SC2 Pro Gamer, I'm on the fence what number is the "sweet spot" for me, or people in general. I'm getting varying different hours or hour assessments from different players: I'd like to strike a balance between playing long hours, but still finding time for the gym, getting out of the house, etc. I'm currently unemployed, not married (no gf either), but I am a college student with an upcoming 12 credit hour schedule approaching in late August. I'm a 24 year old Junior and yea I live with my parents (*cue laughter*), but that saves me money and more time for SC2, so I could care less  . How many hours/day is best for a person to be VERY successful at SC2? Do you think I could possibly get away with being top 20 playing 5/hours a day if I just concentrate on US servers only?
12 credit hours? I have 18 credit hours and I will find time to workout and play SC 4 hours a day. I would say 4-6 hours is reasonable per day, it will let you take care of real life stuff and still remain competitive with everyone else. If you are a progamer I think 8-10 hours is good.
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24 hours is the clear answer. 
I forgot where I read this, but some respectible source did some study where the average to be "an expert" in anything took about 1000 total hours. This ranged from careers like professional classical musician, to sports athlete, to forensic scienctists. Interesting stuff.
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On July 26 2010 12:16 zomgtossrush wrote:24 hours is the clear answer. I forgot where I read this, but some respectible source did some study where the average to be "an expert" in anything took about 1000 total hours. This ranged from careers like professional classical musician, to sports athlete, to forensic scienctists. Interesting stuff.
It was in Outliers, and it was 10k hours.
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Hey man, people can do whatever they want in life. If eating donuts all day long is what truly makes you happy, then do it. Just dont complain when you are fat and ugly.
If gaming 12 hours a day makes you happy, then do it. Just dont complain 10 years down the road that you wasted your life in a fantasy world and have nothing to show for it.
Life is all about decisions, and decisions have consequences. In life, going for instant gratification most often results in some sort of misery later in life (when in excess). If you are ready to pay the price in the future, feel free to enjoy yourself today. If you are smart enough to realize that it is better to live a productive and balanced life than some sort of extreme, you will be happier over the long run.
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On July 26 2010 12:30 Sabresandiego wrote:
If your opinion is that it is better to live a productive and balanced life than some sort of extreme, you will be happier over the long run.
Fixed that for you.
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There is no justifying playing games 12 hours a day. It is simply bad for you in too many ways. It is physically and mentally deteriorating. It will leave you empty in the future. Once in awhile it is ok to binge on something fun, but you cannot live your life like that. You will regret it in the future and I dont care who you are.
This goes for everything, not just games. You can't have fun all day long every day without paying a hefty price for it. Its just how the world is.
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On July 26 2010 12:35 Sabresandiego wrote:
There is no justifying playing games 12 hours a day.
This goes for everything, not just games. You can't have fun all day long every day without paying a hefty price for it. Its just how the world is.
Can you stop contradicting yourself? If there's a price, it is justifiable to someone.
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i remember hearing that if something doesnt move u forward in life dont spend too much time on it. sc2 and other video games are to pass time when u have absolute nothing to do and wanna relax, so i dont recommending playing games anytime u time off just go workout, do some homework, chill with ur buddies etc. u dont wanna play like hundreds of hour of something and remember back and be like wow hundreds of my hours wasted sitting infront of a computer screen playing games, so ya thatz my 2 cents have fun in life dont over do anything dont play more than 1 hr on workdays ;D
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Trust me. People justify pleasure now for misery later because they simply don't understand what sort of misery awaits them. People who borrow alot of money have this same problem. They dont realize that they have to pay the money back with interest, and see it as free money. You may think to yourself, oh yea Im willing to take the risks involved with gaming 12 hours a day because I love it so much. 10 years later, when you are paying the price and have achieved nothing in life because you were so absorbed with instant gratification, you will realize the mistake you made.
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On July 26 2010 12:40 Sabresandiego wrote:
Trust me. They justify the pleasure now for the misery later because they simply don't understand what sort of misery awaits them. People who borrow alot of money have this same problem. They dont realize that they have to pay the money back with interest, and see it as free money. You may think to yourself, oh yea Im willing to take the risks involved with gaming 12 hours a day because I love it so much. 10 years later, when you are paying the price and have achieved nothing in life because you were so absorbed with instant gratification, you will realize the mistake you made.
Sure, most people do that, but that doesn't mean its unjustifiable. It just means most people make mistakes when they think they've justified something.
[edit] And there really aren't that many risks for me spending 12 hours a day on SC2 atm :x
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Another good example is smokers. You can talk to them when they are 20 and they will say "everyone dies anyways, and I like smoking so Im gonna keep doing it". That have justified it to themselves. 30 years later when they are in the hospital dying of cancer they realize their mistake.
Bottom line is that it is easy to justify something that gives you immediate gratification. It is much harder to look forward and realize what price comes with that pleasure.
One of the greatest quotes of all time is "All things in moderation". Play your games, have your fun, but don't do it to the exclusion of all other things. You will be much happer in the long run.
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