EPTComplete ladder data by race - Page 4
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On July 19 2010 21:07 aka_star wrote: hmm would be nice to have a list that would update itself go to blizzard and ask them to set it up on their website :p no but seriously i really hope they do this aswell but i doubt they want to do that since ppl can use it as argument to QQ because they forgot a pylon vs a ling rush | ||
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Latham
9593 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3516 Posts
On July 19 2010 11:49 Marou wrote: for the people who stills doesnt know UnknownArt(europe #1 atm), that's Madfrog, a former swedish wc3 progamer who had a pretty enjoyable style of play. He's back from retirement and i'm looking forward to see him perform in the tourneys at release ! Wow, that's so awesome! Can't wait to see some games from him. =D | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 19 2010 21:15 gillon wrote: These threads always lead to Terran hate and it's so tiring. If it's imbalanced, please present arguments as to why and when that is backed by people actually winning stuff, I'll believe it. those arguments are entirely subjective while statistics, while being statistics, gives an objective outlook. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
It's certainly possible the numbers may looks different in any number of way upon release. They could look more imbalanced or possibly less. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
Actually we have to part from the assumption that the game is imbalanced until proven otherwise, and no the reverse like many people seem to be doing, because balance is a very tiny line, it's immensely easier to be on the imbalanced side. The game started to be imbalanced, so those that claim that it is balanced are the ones needed to provide arguments, not the ones that defend it's imbalanced. So instead of asking for proof on how it's imbalanced, people should be asking themselves for proof / clues that it is balanced, and in the meantime figuring out where the imbalance lies. For me it is imbalanced, until i see definite conclusions, or strong clues that it's finally balanced. Thanks to Martini and Tamerlane for their work.  | ||
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Orzabal
France287 Posts
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
On July 19 2010 21:04 MorroW wrote: really amazing information but i dont think anyone should use it for arguments which race is best l<o<l actual important event games say 10 times more than this So... whats happening if the latest events actualy prove this post (by lastest I mean in the last 10 days)? Cause I watched several casts this week and it seems that terrans [in general] was kind of winning with an easier time than the 2 other races. We've been seeing LOTS of good game by protoss and zergs and actualy the terran was ALMOST always able to come back and win. Here is a dramatized list of what a terran does in a game: - Bunk, get 1 or 2 expand... but don't over do it... bunking is more important - Scout... errr... I mean scan... - Cheese with [reaper, hellion, hellion drop, thor drop, [cloacked]banshee, [cliff] tank drop, reaver turret... don't forget 1 success full cheese and your opp is back at 0 probe/drone or at least he has to pull back from mining for X time] - Get this huge 200/200 equilibred force - Push but leave 1 thor at base so you can defend vs 12 air unit and most ground they can throw at you, but only if you feel your opp is going to try some counter-attack/base exchange - If you don't win the fight don't worry... you did enough damage to your opp so there is no chance of a counter-attack. - If in fact he was able to manage a counter attack... lift your important structure and defend. - Repair, rince and repete. yep that's exactly what I've seen in the latest events. Also, I played something like 50 ladder games yesterday (in the 450ish diamond which makes me 6th of my division) and spoke with EACH terran (even analysed some replays with a few that are now friends) after the game and asked them if they taught that terran was too strong and MOST of them said: Hey I just barely switched to terran... was zerg/protoss a week ago. Terran are freaking strong. [Might explain why there's alot of terrans on top right now] Fair or not... Overpower or not... I'm not qualified to decide since I barly have time to play more than 50 games a week (eventho i'm pretty solid) and don't intend on doing much tournaments/lan... [aka playing for fun], but I'm not a morron either and as WE can all see, terrans MIGHT be a bit too strong or easy to play. They have THE most build order options, they are not limited by creeps or pylons, they have the easiest way to scout/detect, they have THE strongest 200/200 army... and for all those advantages they only have to deal with a mobility issue. Hell, I played a gold terran yesterday. I beat him... the game lasted 36mins or so... it was actualy pretty hard eventho I had the game in control it took me 4 push of ultralisks/ling/infestors to finaly be able to kill the guy. I think that terran is a bit strong since other races has to be like 5 times better to win. P.S. I play both Zerg and Protoss at relatively high diamond. Altho I have less trouble dealing with terran as protoss... I find that they are still strong/on par. As for zerg... using mobility and blah blah blah... I'm sorry but SC2 isn't BW were hydralisks are moving like trains... in SC2 you need creep and any decend terran will use reaver and kill those tumors leaving zergs with nydus (which is almost unusable since they are spewing 1 by 1 unit and overlord drops which are being massively killed by thors/vicking/detect tower.... so the USE MOBILITY trend means = use speedlings!! yay! | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
and only reason is 1) i play a shit ton of games and 2) some of those games happen to be against protoss/zerg T_T! I have to play a terran player multiple times to latch onto his play style/maneuvers before I can win (or make good guess work) | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
But even at what I'd say is the lower level of platinum, the amount of work you have to put in to securing a win over a clearly worse terran player is absurd. From multitasking to unit control to macro, everything has to be at a much higher level than the opponent if he chooses to press the S or T key while selecting a factory at any point in the game | ||
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
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Grond
599 Posts
On July 19 2010 17:42 Drowsy wrote: Holy christ, you guys are either really dirt stupid or going to great lengths to convince yourselves zerg isn't underpowered. Compared to the general population, which shows a relatively even distribution, the racial distribution of the global top 100 displays clear favoritism to protoss and terran. You can see exactly the statistics regarding how many people play what race and the fact is that they're a significant enough discrepancy between that and what people play at the top levels to easily conclude that zerg is objectively worse. Zerg isn't simply "less appealling to people", 27% play it but the composition of the top 100 players is only 17% zerg. That argument is just plain stupid. Don't believe it still? play a zvt against a remotely competent terran. I think his point was the sample size is too small to be statistically significant, selection bias rather than imbalance could be the major factor. However I do feel Terran has multiple units that are a little too strong | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
hahaha Lovely, made my day. | ||
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turnip
United States193 Posts
AMG MADFROG! I played humans and I'm pretty sure he was the one who taught everyone to kill my peasants. I hold him responsible for MILLIONS of peasant deaths. But we both play zerg now so he's a hero! Yay | ||
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trucejl
120 Posts
On July 19 2010 21:15 gillon wrote: These threads always lead to Terran hate and it's so tiring. If it's imbalanced, please present arguments as to why and when that is backed by people actually winning stuff, I'll believe it. just the fact that there is a general consensus about something in these type of threads should tell you something is wrong about balance. as for presenting arguments. whenever someone presents a argument, there is always someone like you that would say back it up with stats or "proof". so when there is actually some stats, you go around in the circle and ask for other stuff, how about you do some research on all the things people have presented about imbalance. i dont follow all the tournaments out there but tournaments dont mean everything. many of the bigger tournaments are invitationals and they often have a unbalanced number of players playing certain races. not to mention there hasnt been any big prized tournaments recently. HDH wasnt a good depiction of race balance since in the beginning of that tournament terran was buffed a lot, zerg somewhat, and toss nerfed some more. those of you saying its a small pool of people need a lesson in stats. the OP is trying to take the top of the ladder as a indication of skill(whether that is true is another matter) but the general pool is everyone playing beta. everyone in beta has a chance to be in that set of number and we just happen to see more terran. its not like he went out and said "ima select this random group of however many ppl". | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Top 20 - Terran is dominating with 24/60 Top 50's - Terran is not dominating as much with 58/150. Both of those are approximatly 40% > thanks for the data tho! | ||
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