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kajeus
United States679 Posts
No, you don't seem to understand what he's talking about. He was talking about the overspecialization and hard-counter focus of Terran. He didn't even mention tanks there! Tanks aren't scary because they counter what they counter too hard! They're scary because they do a lot of damage in general. | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
On July 20 2010 02:54 kajeus wrote: No, you don't seem to understand what he's talking about. He was talking about the overspecialization and hard-counter-focus of Terran. He didn't even mention tanks there! I totaly understood what he ment... and the problem is actualy THERE for the ZvT MU. Tanks > Zerglins, Hydras and Roaches (and does alot of damage to ultralisk before the ultra reach them) Could be dealt with Mutalisks but: Thors > Mutalisk, Ultralisk, Corrupters, Broodlords, Roaches Thors could be dealt with lings, hydras but they are currently owned by tanks Hellions > Zerglin force or Drone :D Vicking > Corrupters, Broodlords or Drones Countered by mutal but to no avails since thors = gg Leaving you with 1 unit... infestors NP which now last only 12 and the infestor itself has a shorter range than tanks and has 80HP! here you have the solution.... despecialise Tmech and you'll have happy zergs again. On that note, i'm leaving this tread now since it's useless like any other "nerf terran" post. You get the mass of players that states their opinions give good numbers and alot of players that used to play zerg/protoss switching to terran and you have on the other side the terran that just goes: hahaha nubs L2P numbers are showing 50/50 (than again we don't have any proofs of that... nor the way they calculate it). It brings nutting to keep trying to convince you or any other terran players as "the masses" will be rewarded one day or another. As I stated before: "you know when a game is balanced when the QQ comes equaly" and it is not the case. Meanwhile, I'm still going to play zerg and learn new ways to defeat terrible terrible imba terran and WHEN they'll nerf it of again maybe buff zerg... it will just be easier for me. In any case I know how to play protoss as well and will switch on my toss account to vent a bit when needed! I bid you farewell ohhh you terran defenders! | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
It's impossible to tell whether DB was talking about the ZvT match-up with that quote. You seem to be extrapolating a whollllle lot from a couple of sentences that say nothing about tanks -- which is what most people say is the real problem! So I'm gonna have to shrug at your interpretation... I doubt that's what he was saying, though, personally. | ||
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abandonallhope
Sweden563 Posts
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mikkelinen
Sweden61 Posts
I also get that zerg can go from 0-40 workers almost instantly even while getting harassed non stop by Hellions and still build Ultras. To me that doesn't sound underpowered  Sidenote: Gogo Madfrog! | ||
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
The average games played/player and win ratios are highest in America, then comes Europe and finally Asia. Based on these numbers, it seems the hardest to become Diamond in America. You know that US got the beta back like 3 days before the other servers? Also there are new divisions created if someone should be promoted into Diamond and there is no free spot.(I was the one and (l)only in mine) It should be about the same difficulty as the other servers which means not very difficult. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On July 20 2010 03:14 abandonallhope wrote: Why did all the WC3 and WoW-players come here? I can't stand the crying. Stupid post. I'm a SC1, WC3 (very good, to shamelessly self-plug) player, and I have yet to cry. Why did all the "elitists" (likely D- ICCUP players who, at the mention of BRAIN/FISH go "wuts dats? lolnoob") come here to cry about crying? Seriously, these posts piss me off. If you need a refresher on who 4k/MyM]Grubby, SK.MaDFroG, MyM]spirit_moon (who has now been hired be WeMadeFOX), etc. are, please go get one. If you're too fucking lazy to research before your "baw crying" posts, just look at their team tags. At the mention of a WC3 pioneer, and a currently top-ranked EU beta player, you go bitching about "wc3 players crying"? I don't get it. Your attitude is not appreciated. On-topic: Tamerlane, you're awesome. I seriously love all the datamining going on. I was a bit apprehensive that Blizz would be trying to hide all this data to prevent any sort of this analysis going on, except in-house, but now I see that isn't the case. Your efforts are much appreciated, sir  All analyses should be taken and given with a large grain of salt. Statistics are statistics. And these are statistics of a pre-release phase that is not representative of the total sample of players that will be available for postulating and hypothesizing after release. So any conclusion you could draw will be invalid to the game at release anyway, and only valid to some old set of data... Not that they aren't still very interesting to think up, read, consider, and debate. All in fun. That is all. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 20 2010 03:54 Mykill wrote: looks like there no worst time to be toss What? Protoss is 40% of the top 20 in the US!! | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
On July 20 2010 03:49 FabledIntegral wrote: Broodlords actually counter Thors, just fyi. It's a pity that zerg players seldom gets to Broodlords. If Broodlords are what zergs are supposed to use to counter Thors then Blizzard should consider lowering some building times. Building times until Terrans can build Thors Barracks 60 Factory 65 Tech Lab 25 (can be built in parallell with the armory) Armory 65 = 190 seconds Building times until Zergs can build Broodlords Spawning Pool 65 Lair 80 Spire 100 Infestation Pit 50 (can be built in parallell with the spire) Hive 100 Greater Spire 100 = 445 seconds The time it takes to get to Zergs higher tiers sucks. | ||
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lol.Donkament
Malta50 Posts
If all match up are 75% 25% its equal with general stats so.. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
Broodlords and ultralisks are EXTREMELY good (if not OP). Use them. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On July 20 2010 05:11 oxxo wrote: Bad zergs sitting on roach/hydra vs mech and then complaining about it are pathetic. Broodlords and ultralisks are EXTREMELY good (if not OP). Use them. Way to be a giant ignoramus. | ||
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Darkn3ss
United States717 Posts
On July 20 2010 05:09 Wr3k wrote: Finally some non-anecdotal evidence supporting the idea that Z is a little weak lately. Lol... ever heard of 6 base (1 gold), hive tech, ultra/roach massing with max upgrades zerg losing to 3 base terran?! Yeah... thors and tanks is all he needs... hellions help too since they're a mineral sink (a damn effective one at that!)... When we finished the battle (I was maxed) it wasn't even close!!! No matter how many units I tried to remake from 6 hatches, it seemed like he had his whole army in tact! "/ Broodlords is the only choice, huh?! Very versatile race! If you don't spread creep - you lose! If you don't get broodlords, you lose... while terran can kill you with anything besides pure marines... and even those with decent micro can kill you and banelings won't have anything to say about it... other than that it's a-move, siege/unsiege... -.- Pretty gay, if you ask me... Can we please have Dark Swarm back!?!? =( Rofl.. yeah Ultras are extremely good vs BIO... but too bad to have ultras AND broodlors you need quite a lot of expos to support... but wait! Terran makes vikings/banshees and omg where did my army go!?!?! Zerg has 1 GtA unit (not counting queen and infested terran). Zergs detection is very limited now. Most maps are Terran friendly. Zerg take forever to get broodlords which actually get owned by thors if terran has a decent amount... oh wait! That's all terrans mass!!! Hellion/thor/tank and you're fucked. Hellion/thor/tank/raven and/or viking and you're DEFINITELY fucked! Now that NP is a joke it's even harder to deal with... I honestly only beat Terrans that are clueless... if a guy is equally matched or slightly better - there's no way you can win!!! | ||
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JayMunger
United States30 Posts
Until that is defined, or game statistics with games/race for each player are added, this data cannot be statistically evaluated. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
The number of players of each race in the top 20 means nothing, but win % by race does have statistical significance (limited by sample size though). The P win % is somewhat lower than T and Z. | ||
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Sentient
United States437 Posts
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