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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 13 2010 03:39 Doriboi wrote: Invitationals should be the exception. However as more money is pumped into the sport, it will be more frequent. While I believe qualifiers should be setup like OSL or MSL, that may not be the norm for a while. Until then, players like MSV, Avilio or CheAse, will be left out until some major league team recognizes them. MSL and OSL are interesting to bring up. While qualifiers seem open, IIRC you have to be a progamer to enter which, in and of itself is already quality assurance. In a sense, OSL and MSL are also invite-only, it's just that no one complains because the "invitations" (progaming licenses) are handled by a governing body that everyone accepts. In the long run, it seems like the medium that people are most likely to accept. With progaming licenses or the like, you have a minimum level of quality that is assured for sponsors and viewers by the skill required to obtain the license. At the same time, you're not locked into just inviting big names to each tournament | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Let the guy vent and maybe he'll come back with better results. | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
But invite tournaments serve a purpose as well. They build up future interest in sc2 for potential sponsors and most importantly future fans and players. People that keep our community fresh and alive. Also we get hours upon hours of quality entertainment and personally I have never been bored since the beta started except for the last two weeks of the beta downtime. In the end it's worth it but also makes the future even more promising and hopeful for when we have this huge pool of talented and proven players that will be duking it out together with lesser known players. When you can get quality games and upsets in one 128 or even 256 player tourney all at the same time. It's gonna be awesome! | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
What is your true complaint? That these people are getting invites, that their are too many invites, that you aren't one of them? If you are the best, then you should be able to win from the first qualifier to the finals. Even 1 open spot means that if you really are that good, you will get it. Is it because there are to many reservered spots? Well that's like someone else mentioned with the PGA Tour, those names sell seats... or ad space in our case. You need to learn to sell yourself, as HuK has already been mentioned. Email Day9 or Husky or HD. Send them a replay pack. Email all the commentators. Stream here. From just reading your posts, I know nothing about you, you seem upset that you aren't famous yet. This game is still in beta. That is why people who have a following from other games and showed skill in SC2 are being showcased, it's the only thing we have to go on. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Simply put the matches between the top guys are almost always more entertaining than a top guy vs a newb. But in all reality if you have done as much as u said you have (and I know you, you have), and still are not known you need to look at yourself to figure out the problem. First of all switching names is NEVER a good idea, you built a pretty solid name as Paramore and for no apparent reason wanted to become Sinatra. Also maybe look at your playstyle, is it exciting to watch? Remember that people thought Iloveoov and Flash were/are boring cause of their macro style. I keep pointing to HuK cause he's such a perfect example. I KNOW when I watch a HuK game that A: It's going to be very exciting, B: HuK applies some sort of pressure all game keeping the boring spots to a minimum, and C: Not to get out of my chair or blink cause that's all it takes for HuK to pull off a game. From the spectator point of view, Micro > Macro, Aggression > Passivity, Creativity > Standard Play. | ||
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ThisIsJimmy
United States546 Posts
 Big open tournaments are definitely the best though, and once the game is released there should be plenty so I wouldn't worry. | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
but im sure there will be more and more ro128 / ro256 weeklys/monthlys will popup after launch, giving people like me a better chance to get noticed when i win it every week. | ||
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jazzy3001
21 Posts
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Myia
173 Posts
I do think that Invitational tournaments, should be kept to the minimum. Keep these big tournaments for special occasions, like the HDH, the big world event that was on recently with some great names from Korea and china etc, and some one off matches. The rest of the tournaments should be (if they want to be recognized) big tournaments with a lot of entrants, newb and pro alike, and be correctly seeded (according to wins in other tournaments or such like). These have the habit of drawing people who, like HuK when he was unknown, or the OP Sinatra, or others who are relatively unknown, who are actually good enough to give good games, get broadcast because of perhaps, performances in previous tournaments, and then perhaps get invites to the invite only events... On the other hand, if you dont put yourself out there like Diamond i think said before, then nobody is going to know who you are, to invite you to these events. But perhaps more of the events that are invite only, will get some of the lesser known players into the spotlight? Its hard. We all want to watch great games, and like has been said before, pro vs pro is generally better and more exciting than just a random vs pro... But... well, with the hundreds of thousands of people that will be joining the SC2 scene, everyone needs a chance | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
- Invitation lets players who we know are good get into the final stages of the tournament (RO16, w/e), and doesn't risk having them get eliminated by cheese or another good player that would also be invited. - There is a degree of drama that surrounds well-known players playing against each other, which adds to the popularity and sometimes, the prize pool, of the tournament. All in all, I think the relatively large tourneys should be something like half-invitational; if there is a SCII TSL, of course it shouldn't be invitational | ||
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Alnitak
United States5 Posts
You want to play in Wimbledon or the Masters? You have two choices, one is being good enough, and consistently good enough to get an invite. And the other is to go through the qualification process where lots of people compete for only a few spots. Poker is a poor comparison. Every participant in a poker tournament brings an entry fee, while most starcraft, or golf, tennis type individual sports don't. Tons of people come to the WSOP main event because you buy your way in. Most professional sports have the organizers fronting the prize money, and hence get to decide the method of who gets the spots. Results speak. You want invites? Win tournaments that are open. And keep playing well. People notice eventually. No matter how unfair it may be that people who played SC1 consistently are more famous than you, thats just life. Writing posts won't change that, winning in SC2 will. Edited typos. | ||
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
On July 13 2010 04:11 TheYango wrote: MSL and OSL are interesting to bring up. While qualifiers seem open, IIRC you have to be a progamer to enter which, in and of itself is already quality assurance. In a sense, OSL and MSL are also invite-only, it's just that no one complains because the "invitations" (progaming licenses) are handled by a governing body that everyone accepts. In the long run, it seems like the medium that people are most likely to accept. With progaming licenses or the like, you have a minimum level of quality that is assured for sponsors and viewers by the skill required to obtain the license. At the same time, you're not locked into just inviting big names to each tournament I'm pretty sure OSL and MSL also have players 'seeded' into higher rounds based on past performance as well. So the way those are run are really no different from invite/open tournaments anyways. | ||
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Oceaniax
146 Posts
Sure those people can sign up of their own accord, but there are no guarantees that they'll find it worth their time. Also invitationals are usually better from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint. Having to organize and cast all the lower tier matches is a signifigant burden, one that usually does not bring with it signifigant viewership (at least not nearly as signifigant as the end rounds of a tournament). Doing an invitational cuts out alot of work while still retaining the most "valuable" matches. | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
On July 13 2010 04:53 Oceaniax wrote: While I would like to see less invite only tournaments, I do understand why they exist. The organizers and their sponsers want viewers and site traffic, and that is far easier to obtain when you have a bunch of recognizable people in your tournament. Sure those people can sign up of their own accord, but there are no guarantees that they'll find it worth their time. Also invitationals are usually better from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint. Having to organize and cast all the lower tier matches is a signifigant burden, one that usually does not bring with it signifigant viewership (at least not nearly as signifigant as the end rounds of a tournament). Doing an invitational cuts out alot of work while still retaining the most "valuable" matches. You are also essentially "paying" the big names to be in your tournament. For instance IdrA or WhiteRa may not find it worth their time to compete in a tourney that starts in a RO128 with a small prize pool. That hurts the Tourney it's self because you lose out on well known progamers. If you let them skip the first round or two, which given their records they would have probably won, you increase the chances of them attending your tournament. | ||
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
I sympathize with the OP however as HuK and others in this thread pointed out there are many ways to get your name out there and if you continue to show up for these tournaments and post consistent results you will be invited to tournaments. In the future I think there will be plenty of great open tournaments but I feel like the invitationals because of their well-known players and larger viewership will constantly have larger prize-pools. As an aspiring pro(anyone not just OP) I think you need to sell yourself a bit more as the community is getting so large and there are so many names out there now that its easy to get lost among all the players. I would think streaming yourself playing, getting on Husky's, HD's or Day9's streams and/or youtube channels would be the easiest way. It ain't easy but I think if you get there its probably pretty rewarding. GL in future | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Actually before the beta went down I had no clue who you were, but sense then you have been signing up for tournaments left and right. When I saw your name on here I knew oh, that is the guy named Sinatra and I saw him playing on iccup stream the other day. Of course I am just some random guy, but it shows how you personally are starting to have a name for yourself. I hope that given a few more months I can be in the same spot. Best of luck. | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
On July 13 2010 04:05 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Edit: I MAY have read this response wrong. Re-reading now + Show Spoiler + The difference between you and HuK is that HuK completely rocked everyone in the scene not named Sheth for the better part of two months straight, and is still placing in the top spot in like everything. There was a point where almost every tournament finals was HuK vs. Sheth. Also when he won he did so in impressive fashion completely dominating his opponent and is ULTRA aggressive. You are a good player Paramore, but HuK is one of the very best Protoss players in the world. Top two if not the very best without a shout of a doubt. You still have a bit to go. Comparing yourself to HuK is not going to help you. HuK has earned his right for these spots imo, and should not be forced to go thru a 128 man tourney to get his shot. I think some people are really getting side-tracked as to what this thread is about... The reason I made this thread is because I think there are too many invitationals and that its unfair to up-and-coming players, possibly like me, that have to go through the Ro256 or Ro512 or Ro128 and we see players that only do the Ro16. I'm not comparing myself to HuK and I'm certainly not saying that I am "so awesome you should invite me" I'm just saying, there should be LESS invitationals and MORE open-tournaments. That is the message. I'm not advertising myself, I am using myself as an example. | ||
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