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NevilleS
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada266 Posts
May 30 2010 16:53 GMT
#381
Blizzard needs to find new, better ways to monetize their games. If you guys think paying $50 for BW 10 years ago was a fair deal for Blizz, then you are wrong. Nowadays, SC2 has to compete with titles like Farmville for developer and publisher mindshare... why do you think a Facebook game should be more profitable than a huge development project like SC2? In my mind BNet should be subscription based, and purchase of the game should come with 6 months to a year free, so that I can continue to pay for the SC experience if I play this game for 10 more years. Then at least Blizz has a recurring revenue stream to point at and say: "Look, this is why we cater to the 'hardcore' players, because they are the ones still paying for the privilege 3 years down the line'
Vexx
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States462 Posts
May 30 2010 17:09 GMT
#382
On May 31 2010 01:53 Fatmonkey wrote:
This makes me sad, but its like a David and Goliath situation. It would take millions of gamers to revolt to make a change. I just don't see that happening.


You know, I don't know about that. Disconnected communities can't make it work (See MW2 or L4D2 boycott) but communities that are more organized have succeeded (See MMORPGs) time and time again.

I feel like starcraft is really where it is now because of the community, because of iccup and competitive tournaments and leagues. Even though Blizzard is a big name, I don't think SC2 appeals to a mass audience the way WoW does.

So basically, I would not be surprised if in fact the SC community is tight enough to say no.

And to the other guy about no alternatives: you can just keep playing BW. SC is going to have 2 expansions so even if you don't play retail right away, you can hop in after the playing field is "reset" with the last expansion.
I am not nice.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 17:13:34
May 30 2010 17:13 GMT
#383
I'm just going to point out that MW: Black Ops has dedicated servers.

So was the boycott futile? You decide.
Too Busy to Troll!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 30 2010 17:18 GMT
#384
Amazing article. Thank you for the time you took to make this.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
May 30 2010 17:20 GMT
#385
Yeah well Im not really all that suprised at all this read, becouse every major company is about money only and they care only about making more and more of it. But this is so much reasearch and so many facts and quotes it just blows my mind.
Forever Vulture.. :(
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
May 30 2010 17:22 GMT
#386
fuck i misclicked all
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
shurgen
Profile Joined October 2009
350 Posts
May 30 2010 17:24 GMT
#387
On May 31 2010 01:34 UnderWorld_Dream wrote:
Huge work into this, and very interesting.

I hate money whores and i don't want my favorite game to be a product for the $profit of someone. But let's face it, the goal of any compagny is to make benifits and the more they do, the more they will try to do.

For those saying: 'im not buying sc2 anymore': Well, are you really gonna sacrifice all the fun and entertainement you could have with this game because of that guy? You dont wanna lend your money to them? Well thats also a greedy comment IMO
I mean, not being willing to buy a game because the owners are looking for profit is kinda greedy in itself, isnt it ?

Just leave the money-minded people focused on their profits. I will be focusing on playing the game because that is what I like.

They can have all the money they want i just don't care. I will have more fun than them in life then.
Com on guys don't let this ruin your game.


EDIT
Hey this is a Starcraft progaming forum.
Do not discourage people from buying the game in here, what the hell?


This post just made me rage.

I'm greedy for not wanting to pay a significant amount of money (at least $150 for all 3 campaigns + more if I want cross realm play) for an unfinished game that developers have not even been showing signs of listening to what the people want?

Oh and this is a STARCRAFT programing forum (for now) not a STARCRAFT 2 progaming forum, as it kind of doesn't exist.

Yay for Blizzard run e-sports I guess
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
May 30 2010 17:35 GMT
#388
Just leave the money-minded people focused on their profits. I will be focusing on playing the game because that is what I like.


This is exactly the sheep mentality that will allow huge corporations to rape you monetarily and get away with it. When something is wrong, you're supposed to have the option to make it right.

Well, are you really gonna sacrifice all the fun and entertainement you could have with this game because of that guy?


The people who really know how to send messages to corporations will in fact boycott Bnet2, SC2, and any affiliated services. I am one of them. It doesn't matter how many securities Blizzard puts into effect, there's a hacker somewhere out there who will crack it and distribute it so the storyline/1P people can get their hands on it without paying these stupid fees. Feel free to take it up the ass but a mature adult doesn't get that "I have to have my new toy right now I don't care about the cost!" feeling.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
Tidesson
Profile Joined April 2010
55 Posts
May 30 2010 17:36 GMT
#389
Yeah man, no surprise here. Blizzard went to hell after merging with them, and the best example: world of warcraft. The company that did games like diablo 2 and starcraft:bw does not exist anymore. It's sad, but it's the truth. Just now if people could stop the fanboyism and open their friggin eyes. Too bad for the poor ones that got their brains sucked out with wow. Please all say a prayer for those lost souls... and set activision on fire. Then maybe we can save good ol' blizzard from them (the ones that remain, because btw, are but a handful of the original crew).
Bobby Kotick: from now on, this company shall be called BeLizard. Derp derp.
cloudJR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States266 Posts
May 30 2010 17:44 GMT
#390
Absolutely phenomenal post, but also a post that ruined my day.... well not only this did but also Husky's video on Youtube about his views on this whole situation lol. All these money hungry suits trying to push out a shitty/under-developed product makes me so angry, and wanting to charge more for it is almost comical. From no LAN, no chat rooms, no private games, constant drops..ect the list goes on and on. This just isn't how Blizzard has ever ran things. And what's worse is when they release a statement about issues and reasoning behind certain choices, their answers either don't answer anything or make no sense. Blizzard imo has released some of the greatest games of all time right next to Square Enix, and I will always support them. I'm just really hoping the release date gets pushed back not only to solve and fix all of these persistent issues, but to keep Blizzard's image and integrity in tact. This is about your fan base, not just about the greenbacks.
All I can hear are thousands of children screaming imbalance.......
UnderWorld_Dream
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada219 Posts
May 30 2010 17:53 GMT
#391
On May 31 2010 02:24 shurgen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 01:34 UnderWorld_Dream wrote:
Huge work into this, and very interesting.

I hate money whores and i don't want my favorite game to be a product for the $profit of someone. But let's face it, the goal of any compagny is to make benifits and the more they do, the more they will try to do.

For those saying: 'im not buying sc2 anymore': Well, are you really gonna sacrifice all the fun and entertainement you could have with this game because of that guy? You dont wanna lend your money to them? Well thats also a greedy comment IMO
I mean, not being willing to buy a game because the owners are looking for profit is kinda greedy in itself, isnt it ?

Just leave the money-minded people focused on their profits. I will be focusing on playing the game because that is what I like.

They can have all the money they want i just don't care. I will have more fun than them in life then.
Com on guys don't let this ruin your game.


EDIT
Hey this is a Starcraft progaming forum.
Do not discourage people from buying the game in here, what the hell?


This post just made me rage.

I'm greedy for not wanting to pay a significant amount of money (at least $150 for all 3 campaigns + more if I want cross realm play) for an unfinished game that developers have not even been showing signs of listening to what the people want?

Oh and this is a STARCRAFT programing forum (for now) not a STARCRAFT 2 progaming forum, as it kind of doesn't exist.

Yay for Blizzard run e-sports I guess


I'm only saying that being so concerned by the cost of the game is somehow greedy. But it's my opinon you can disagree i'm totally fine with it.

It's a matter of how much you love something and how much you are willing to pay for it. Some people would not pay 5$ for sc2 while i would pay 200$ and woulndt care. (of course i would find it
expensive but i'd just drink less beer??)

Sadly this world is ran by profits and whatever you could do, it won't change.
Ome
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada157 Posts
May 30 2010 17:55 GMT
#392
On May 31 2010 02:35 Diminotoor wrote:
The people who really know how to send messages to corporations will in fact boycott Bnet2, SC2, and any affiliated services. I am one of them. It doesn't matter how many securities Blizzard puts into effect, there's a hacker somewhere out there who will crack it and distribute it so the storyline/1P people can get their hands on it without paying these stupid fees. Feel free to take it up the ass but a mature adult doesn't get that "I have to have my new toy right now I don't care about the cost!" feeling.


A mature adult doesn't steal.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 18:02:47
May 30 2010 18:02 GMT
#393
On May 31 2010 02:55 Ome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 02:35 Diminotoor wrote:
The people who really know how to send messages to corporations will in fact boycott Bnet2, SC2, and any affiliated services. I am one of them. It doesn't matter how many securities Blizzard puts into effect, there's a hacker somewhere out there who will crack it and distribute it so the storyline/1P people can get their hands on it without paying these stupid fees. Feel free to take it up the ass but a mature adult doesn't get that "I have to have my new toy right now I don't care about the cost!" feeling.


A mature adult doesn't steal.


so true! if you really want to boycott bnet2 and sc2 then do it without cracking the game. everything else is so phony
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
May 30 2010 18:08 GMT
#394
Tbh this won't last forever. Sales figures for these kind of mass produced sequel spawning games never last.

Makes me not want to play SC2 too much now...And makes me understand why Bnet is an unsalvagable mess.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
love.less
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom293 Posts
May 30 2010 18:11 GMT
#395
Damn this is terrible first they charge us for buying their games then they charge us for attending their events.. where will this end!! Youve all been playing their beta for sc2 for a couple of months now, they included 13 major patches aimed mainly at unit and race balance yet people are still convinced that blizzard dont care about this game or the community whatsoever. What company would put up a game for a few months just prior to release with such emphasis on fair, balanced and competitive play if they didnt give a shit about quality and just wanted to sell copies to the masses who will only dabble in online play?
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
May 30 2010 18:12 GMT
#396
I used to play WoW and people have been inventing conspiracy theories concerning Vivendi, Bill Roper leaving, "the original development team" on its forums long before the Activision merger, so threads like these don't phase me. Anger is probably the best way to mobilize people: look at all the activity concerning b.net 2.0 on tl lately, so that Blizzard pretty much has to take notice. Anger being misdirected is quite dangerous however, and I wouldn't want to see a lot of people being hateful and angry for all the wrong reasons, fostering a bad atmosphere, inducing Blizzard to change things just to make it appear like they're doing something. ("anti-mob changes"!)
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
ElectricGrandpa
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8 Posts
May 30 2010 18:12 GMT
#397
"for an unfinished game that developers have not even been showing signs of listening to what the people want? "

Dude it's on patch 13 already... They're making tons of changes, maybe not EVERYTHING you want, but to say they're not listening at all is just crazy.

I hate Bobby Kotick and Activision with a PASSION, but you have to be a bit realistic about this... Blizzard deserved to make way more money on SC and BW. If you think of how many hours most of us played those games compared to how little we spent on them, it's absolutely insane. If you don't like what they're doing with the game, then DON'T PLAY IT. It's that simple.

The only people I hate more than Bobby Kotick are those that use excuses like this to STEAL a game. Come on, "they're charging to much for it, so I'm gonna pirate it to... um... boycott it, yeah". No, that's just you being cheap. $150 spread over a couple years is NOT a lot of money for a game you're gonna be playing a few hundred hours a year. Ok, I still hate Bobby more than you, but you're getting close

I made a sweet iPhone game called Trainyard, it's goooooood.
mBombz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States71 Posts
May 30 2010 18:21 GMT
#398
What a fantastic read. Thank you for taking the time to put this (and actually put source links!).

To be perfectly honest, I have also gone with that mentality of "oh well, I guess I'll just pay for it since I just really want to play the game". But I was a bit to ignorant with the ENTIRE situation of how this whole Activision/Blizzard merger really changed the company's mindset (I also don't play WoW so I wasn't informed about those microtransactions, etc.). So thank you for helping this fool out.

It's unfortunately turning out to be one of those situations where the dev's want to put out their best product and give something truly special to us gamers while management just looks at the bottom line and how to increase that profit for their own use. I can't particularly blame them too much since that's essentially what lot of businesses do (e.g. how does this positively impact the company) but it's certainly going way to far. Thank goodness Blizzard has other games such as WoW to sort of pad the profit enough so that Blizzard can actually take their time to make SC2 (SC2 has been delayed and worked on for quite some time). Unfortunately, since BNet affects all the Blizzard products from here on out we are seeing less of that SC:BW/W3/D2 influence but replaced by management (as this post points out, Activision managers) who believes that this BNet (and other profit making models) is the way to go.

Again, thanks for the great read and let's hope that at least some of our ideas (and let's be honest, mostly complaints) are not just heard, but are used.
Angryhorse
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden387 Posts
May 30 2010 18:37 GMT
#399
This is bullshit. Rally up , with the pitforks and torches , lets burn Activision to the ground. If they really pull all the shit they can come up through(paying extra for nothing etc etc) I'll definatly not buy another BlizzActivision game..ever.. Even Diablo 3 will suffer my wrath.
Don't cry blood, the world doesn't revolve around you
Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
May 30 2010 18:45 GMT
#400
This post really opened my eyes to the evolution of gaming. Squaresoft was my ABSOLUTE favorite gaming company before Enix came and screwed it up. I was even playing Warcraft II and heavily addicted into Diablo at the time. I was literally a Blizzard and Squaresoft fanboy. I can't believe how terrible the Final Fantasy games have been coming along. To this day, nothing will ever beat the classics.

Same with Blizzard....the addiction I had to play War2 story all day long, even jump on the multiplayer playing Archer Warz in a DEAD game. It's a damn shame...a damn shame.
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