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On May 30 2010 18:48 Savio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 18:28 AmstAff wrote:
maybe everyone on tl.net should have to pay 1$, so that we can offer some black guy in some ghetto a bunch of money for killing this fucking faggot.
maybe after that, other publishers will start thinking about the power of videogame consumers. Don't be an idiot. You are gonna make the mods come down on the entire thread. The OP was a well researched, informative post, but most everything after that has been garbage like this in this thread.
yeah you are right but after reading this
“We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making videogames.”
over and over again, i just pray for his dead.
the world doesn't need such subhumans!!!
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Nice little collection of information I've seen before... Just a little reminder as to why I hate activision I guess..
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Well it is, after all, the corporate guys job to squeeze as much money as possible out of their product. Thats what they always have done and will do. So no reason to give them a hard time for actually doing what they are paid for.
It is, however, a terrible terrible move to alienate the fanbase by closing of their product from the creativity of the gamers. SC1 or HL1 are great classics because they were really good games (as is SC2 imho), and the fans themselves filled the remaining gaps, or even reinvented parts of them, to make them absolutely brilliant.
I think in the end its just a bad business decision trying to control the whole product nazi-style - this way it can never be more than it was the day it left the developers office. What a horrible waste of human ressources BLIZZ CEOs - the fans will happily improve the gaming experience of your product for free. so why not just let them?
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The only non-violent solution to this is simple:
Boycott ANY b.net features that are not for free.
Personally i will not buy starcraft 2 at all. I don't want even a dime of my money going not only to such people as activision's CEO, but to blizzard "big guys" like mike morhaime as well. They knew exactly what was happening and what their role was when the activision blizzard merging happened, and when they decided to abolish LAN. And if you think those two events are disconnected you are only naive.
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I knew Kotick was evil ... not just this evil. I'm suprised how alike bobby kotick and hitler are...
And I almost have no faith in SC2 becoming the dream game anymore ...so I'll just stick to BW and watching the MSL , OS...oh that's right I forgot , there's a chance that Activision blizzard will kill Esports 
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I seriously consider NOT buying sc2...
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Is this really that suprising? Welcome to the game industry of 2010. We gamers have shown the coorperations that they can squeeze suprising amounts of money out of us (see WoW) and the future of gaming will be one filled with overpriced DLC's and all sorts of other cash-cow garbage. And the simple fact is that we will continue to buy it, because we are a bunch of addicts.
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This really put the whole Activison Blizzard deal in to perspective, thanks for such an amazing post.
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On May 30 2010 06:11 pieisamazing wrote:
holy what the fuck. i had no idea someone so disgusting could exist.
I'm sorry to say this but this happens to practically anyone with enough money and power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Look at any CEO of a major billion dollar company and almost all of them are complete crooks.
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The first day advertisement started appearing on the World of Warcraft Forums, I knew that Blizzard's influence in the ActivisionBlizzard alliance is fading away.
I really never cared much for other games, and I have like 13 original game copies while the rest are pirated copies. And the funny thing is, 7 of those original games are Blizzard games (Starcraft, Warcraft II, Warcraft III, Warcraft TFT, WoW, WoW:TBC, WoW:WotLK), simply cause I want the full experience and not just the offline one cause the game is good and worth it, but I never participated in any of the "small transactions" offers simply because I feel it's exploiting the players' admiration (Or addiction if you want to use that word) to the game.
If they will release SC2 with the current maps and making usage of the custom maps require an additional fee, then I'll stick to those original maps... Maybe I'll play Incineration Zone then :D
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What happens if one person bought the map, made the exact same map(maybe in a different tileset) and put it on there for free?
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Check out this pole Poll: Should Kotick be sacked as CEO of Activision Blizzard?Yes (194) 97% No (5) 3% Give him more time (0) 0% 199 total votes Your vote: Should Kotick be sacked as CEO of Activision Blizzard? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Give him more time
Okay so basically here is what has happened. As soon as Kotick(devil ass noob) was eleceted CEO of Blizzard Activision, Starcraft 2 was made into a three part game all to maximize profits most likely.
Then they announce shit like, no chat rooms (WTF), no LAN (U joking right!!), and also no cross realm play (NOW UR FUCKING ME AROUND!!!!). Oh and its very possible that they will have microtransactions such as seen on Xbox live so that we have to pay for other shit too.
its kinda funny because in the interview with Frank Pearce, the interveiwer actually asked, 'so do we have to pay for 2 or more clients to play cross realm?' and his blatent answer was yes. So for sure we are stuck in realm unless we are rich. Im from australia and am going to be stuck with koreans who dont know a fucking word of english (besides for gl hf and gg)
Here is a propostion for you Kotick.....I WILL BUY ALL THE FUCKING CLIENTS FOR STARCRAFT 2 IF U CAN PERSONALLY TAKE ME AND SHOW ME WHICH TREE IN MY BACKYARD SUPPOSEDLY GROWS ALL THE FUCKING MONEY!!!!!!
Man i know for sure my mates and I dont have lots of money coz we have bills and shit to pay and then blizzard want to make it difficult to play my favourite game??!?! Then they want to separate it into three different parts and THEN they tell me to buy different clients if i wanna play with guys from the USA. kotick that is like kicking me in the nutz, stepping on them and then making me watch as you deep fry them in your kitchen.
This money hungry losers is gonna drive this much loved game into the ground.
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On May 30 2010 17:13 Hunter_Killers wrote:
Really if you want to attack Activision stop bringing WoW into it, the payed features are pretty much standard to majority of the MMO's out there and not unique to WoW.
Never did I pay for more than just a subscription for ultima online first and best MMO and during vanilla WOW and early TBC days did i pay for anything more than just a subscription. Blizzard I believe didn't want to cross moral line of selling digital goods and didn't want their players selling the digital goods but have now taken a u-turn on this decision
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and that not because some other mmo do the same thing that something right to do lol .
what wrong with some people 
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It's not really surprising, i never expected Starcaft 2 to match the success of it's predecessor or to be of similar quality. Blizzard decided to focus on the commercial aspects of games with WoW already, and it's no wonder they do the same with starcraft 2. Even if some quality developers or managers were left in blizzard after they lost the original devteam (this was right before the wow release), after the merge with Activision - which looks like a company coming directly out of corporocratic sci-fi universes and is really disturbing - they have not a chance to work like they did for previous blizzard titles.
I don't expect to be playing Starcraft 2 for too long, sure i'll buy a copy, play a few months, maybe even a year, and that's it. I remember when EA was regarded as the bad evil company killing good games, these guys make them look as heroes now :D
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I prey for Blizzard to go bankrupt and Kotik to die because of some terrible illness.
Oh and I canceled my preorder for Starcraft 2.
We need a hugh boykott of Blizzard.
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Like any conspiracy theory, just throwing up a smokescreen of facts and expecting dots to suddenly connect out of nowhere is a terrible way to do analysis. Some of the events on that list are completely benign quotes taken wildly out of context. Some of the events on that list are terrible things that have nothing to do with Blizzard. Some of the events on that list are actually good things that have occurred in the lifetime of Blizzard. Finally, some of them just don't matter in regards to Blizzard.
For example, part of the OP talks about the microtransactions added to WoW but that's not true in the least. Those aren't microtransactions. Those are vital services that the players of WoW really begged for for a long time. The fact that they cost something is fine. There's no reason it should be a free process to do things that may have a non-trivial amount of effort and support attached to them. The closest that WoW is getting to microtransactions is now the sale of mounts and non-combat pets. Personally I feel that this is an issue and a dark path they're travelling down. But I don't think it's a portend of darker clouds in the future.
One of the things that I think may be different about the development of WoW and SC2 is just the level to which the developers actually contact the members of the community. In WoW, Blizzard developers physically contact some of the top end guilds fairly frequently. There's a back and forth that way that helps them tune the new content. In SC2, I think it was Nony who lamented the fact that it appears Blizzard has not stepped out to contact some top players to address some of the balance issues in the game or contact casters to address some of the issues with the UI for casting.
This is a legitimate issue. So are some of the shortcomings of Bnet 2.0. But we should address those issues in an isolated sense, instead of searching for the grand "meaning to all things" through conspiracy theories.
The central missing premise of the entire OP is the proof that Blizzard is actually being influenced negatively by Activision. There needs to be a shred of proof that Blizzard has actually developed something in a way that they would not previously have developed something simply because of Activision involvement. You likely cannot do it, and simply drawing inferences where no inferences exist won't work. It's very Glenn Beck to mash unrelated information together to suggest a connection and then simply say "I'm not saying there's a connection here, but it's awfully fishy."
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This is really eye opening to me. I know Activision Blizzard is a company, and companies need to make money to be realistic, but the track record of Activision Blizzard since the merge looks like a fucking ruthless and advantageous scheme (at the expense of loyal customers).
Some of this information actually made my heart sink. It just so happened that I was listening to the Music of Blizzard CD while I was reading, and suddenly (in a disgusted-awe while reading some of the articles) the once-loved Diablo songs lost the resonance that they used to have with me.
I really hate to doubt Blizzard (I'll always have faith in them, even if it's a little less embraced). But the direction that Activision Blizz Exec's seem to be taking are really turning me off. I hope Blizzard-Side's directions are at least a little more independent from what I've read so far.
 ( <--- apparently that's not crying, haha. :'(
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Damn Activision, you scary!
In a more serious note: great post D3xter! The way EA and Activision are doing business today, churning out huge amounts of sequels and low-quality games, brought the entire video game industry to a crash once.
I don't believe it will happen again, the roots are just too solid today, but if things keep going this way a drop in sales figures in the near-future is not farfetch'd.
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On May 30 2010 06:13 Dental Floss wrote:
Just like the banking corporations' greed caused the collapse of financial markets, and the greed of the oil corporations caused the worst oil spill in history...
When you focus only on profits and not on a long term strategy of making a quality product and a quality community you are doomed to failure.
Truth has been told
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