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On May 30 2010 20:55 a11 wrote:
Yes, corporations are profit-orientated. Thing is: We, as costumers, value quality games over stupid franchise-exploitation. Therefor, we should vote with our wallets and make it in fact less profitable for them to make stupid greedy shit. Of course you can't condemn them to be evil. But you can say "that sucks, I don't want to be ripped off like that. I'm not buying their games anymore". And imho, that's perfectly reasonable.
Thats how modern economics work, in theory at least... (I hate modern economics  )
The problem with all that is the lack of an alternative, so its almost safe to say, that blizzard has a monopoly on the RTS market, so al long as there are no alternatives to chose from, we can chose not to play modern RTS at all, or swallow all this crap that they are throwing at us. Thats also the reason why they are trying to get away with all of this, since they know there is no competition.
EDIT: Fixed a typo.
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If you've been following Activision since 2005 you know all this more. That's why when I heard about the merger I was screaming like a little bitch and they told us everything would be fine, we have control of our own IPs. Wrong, I knew it, I called it, look at the decline of WoW since.
Bobby Kotick and Activision are the worse thing to happen to the gaming industry as a whole, and before them it was EA, and as EA makes it back up there after being shafted by consumers.
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Guys plz continue to vote at the pole on page 18. It might not make a huge difference in the long run but at least make it the most voted pole on tl.net. Plz vote and encourage others to vote. I dont wanna see my fav game go down the drain because of some money hungry devil like Kotick.
thank you,
peace ;-)
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On May 30 2010 07:18 Mojawi)SoJu wrote:
everytime about money, not about passion TT ..
Hey soJu! How's the millitary service been? Are you planning a return to the SCII professional scene? I loved you in Wc3 <3
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Bobby Kotick would never be sacked because of an internet poll, unfortunately.
Now, he may be sacked eventually for focusing on short term games while oversaturating markets like Guitar Hero (dead) and Call of Duty (soon!) instead of the overall big picture, but as we saw with the financial crisis, the current quarter is the most important.
Anyways, anyone really worried about premium services in SC2 should only be worried that their unit skins and portraits don't look as cool as people who pay money for theirs.
As a hardcore wow raider, doesn't bother me in the slightest that the charge 10$ for a pet or 25$ for a mount, and it shouldn't bother you what other people would like to do with their money either.
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I knew that activision and kotick are evil, but not that it was soooobad...
I'm really thinking about not supporting anything that has written "activision" on it anymore - that stuff is just sad and the only thing ppl can do about this, is stop buying their games...
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Such an awesome article indeed.
Didnt know most of this stuff, now I understand why it all went to a big downfall for the last couple of years.
Thank you for the read.
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i so regret buying that sc and w3, but this mistake i shall not make again.
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just cancelled my preorder. (sorry tl)
but my vote goes against the current policy of blilzzard activision and i do have only one vote that counts:
buying the game or not
lets see how it turns out once its out for a couple of months. but if blizzard activision does not change some key stances thats it for me and blizzard. it was a nice time - but it has passed away 
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On May 30 2010 20:38 iounas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 20:31 torfteufel wrote:
corporations are UNABLE to make decisions based on moral behavior
In DragonAge there was a DLC at release and a character ingame that said "If you want to play this mission buy it".. They could put the same thing is sc2 and nobody would care.. People would still buy it and it would bring them more money and the guy who thought of that would be promoted..
That dlc was free to anyone who bought the retail version of the game.
lol.
also lol@people wishing death to Bob Kotick..man o man o man.
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marketing miopia....hope u die act/blizz
sry but u wont take my money anymore!
I hope u learn with Rockstar and Ubisoft how to make games
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On May 31 2010 00:54 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 20:38 iounas wrote:On May 30 2010 20:31 torfteufel wrote:
corporations are UNABLE to make decisions based on moral behavior
In DragonAge there was a DLC at release and a character ingame that said "If you want to play this mission buy it".. They could put the same thing is sc2 and nobody would care.. People would still buy it and it would bring them more money and the guy who thought of that would be promoted.. That dlc was free to anyone who bought the retail version of the game. lol. also lol@people wishing death to Bob Kotick..man o man o man.
It was only free for the collector's / digital deluxe editions, the rest of us got a cool dialog option that was along the lines of "1. I will help you. [Purchase additional content]"
Spot on on that death topic, normally this kind of shit would get you banned for weeks, but it seems to be tolerated if the person in case is greedy and offensive.
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On May 31 2010 00:11 BSandT wrote:
Guys plz continue to vote at the pole on page 18. It might not make a huge difference in the long run but at least make it the most voted pole on tl.net. Plz vote and encourage others to vote. I dont wanna see my fav game go down the drain because of some money hungry devil like Kotick.
thank you,
peace ;-)
I refuse to post in that poll, its stupid to try and ask for someone to be fired as a CEO for doing what they see as best for their company (profits). Its much more of a problem with Blizzards development morals as to whether or not they build a game with features which people want.
Whether Kotic is good for gaming is pretty much a big no but he isn't head of activision blizzard due to his love of gaming, hes a corporate CEO - not head of a game design studio. He looks after the interests of his shareholders, not whether a game progresses from the original, if someone says facebook integration will make profits - he'll add facebook integration. What we need to be doing is offering Blizzard reasons to add these much needed features not being as juvenile as to demand a CEO be fired....
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lots of circumstantial evidence being thrown around here
clearly this guy Kotick does not have gamers' best interests at heart, but how much proof is there that he has any kind of substantial influence over Blizzard? right now this little conspiracy theory is just a lot of shots in the dark and a collection of facts that may or may not have any connection.
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corporations are UNABLE to make decisions based on moral behavior
A corporation is composed of people. People are capable of making decisions based on moral behavior.
The mandate of "make profits" is not so narrow that it does not leave room for people to exist as people, i.e. morally.
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Even thou some of the things your list are troublesome. People tend to forget blizzard is a company trying to make money. As long as they keep giving me quality products, I don't mind paying for them. Your whole post is all about how they are trying to make money, but don't every company try to do the same?
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Huge work into this, and very interesting.
I hate money whores and i don't want my favorite game to be a product for the $profit of someone. But let's face it, the goal of any compagny is to make benifits and the more they do, the more they will try to do.
For those saying: 'im not buying sc2 anymore': Well, are you really gonna sacrifice all the fun and entertainement you could have with this game because of that guy? You dont wanna lend your money to them? Well thats also a greedy comment IMO
I mean, not being willing to buy a game because the owners are looking for profit is kinda greedy in itself, isnt it ?
Just leave the money-minded people focused on their profits. I will be focusing on playing the game because that is what I like.
They can have all the money they want i just don't care. I will have more fun than them in life then.
Com on guys don't let this ruin your game.
EDIT
Hey this is a Starcraft progaming forum.
Do not discourage people from buying the game in here, what the hell?
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I must say I'm very proud of so many people cancelling their preorders and changing their stance in Starcraft 2 and future blizzard games. We need to show that the consumer has the power and this type of greedy exploitation makes corporations look bad. and looking bad is what they never want.
gogo TL!
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Disgusting indeed... we could do something if we organize you know... create a website and take measures there as a community. we're all just crying arround, but we could be heard if we act as thousands... and we sure are a few thousands
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This makes me sad, but its like a David and Goliath situation. It would take millions of gamers to revolt to make a change. I just don't see that happening.
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