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On May 27 2010 18:18 Eury wrote:
A lot of people are mentioning how greedy Blizzard is and how they are just after more money. Which may or may not be true, but even if it is true I don't see how it have to be something bad for e-sports.
The purpose of a company is to generate money, and you would want them to believe that there are money to be made in e-sports, or e-sports will never grow to become big.
The more money to be made in e-sports the more money companies will be willing to invest into it. Simple as that.
I hope e-sports will become extremely profitable for companies like Blizzard because that will not only make Blizzard more inclined to care about e-sports, but it will also show other gaming companies that catering games to a more competitive crowd might not be such a bad idea.
And if game companies are profiting from e-sports then other companies outside of the industry will want to be part of that further driving the revenue in e-sports, that maybe in the future we can have more than a handful of players that can get a decent salary.
And thats precisely what Korean pro gaming is trying to achieve and it took them 10 years to get there.
Why break it down?
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On May 27 2010 18:16 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:13 Sandrosuperstar wrote:Kespa will no longer be able to run pl IF gom demands them not to. The way i see it now progamers will be able to play sc2 aswell as participate in other tournaments not sponsored by kespa, gom will work as a governing body keeping companies from creating a monopoly. Atleast that's what i hope their policy is  i really need to know what gom wants/will do !!!!!! GOM WILL be a monopoly. NO OTHER company can actually broadcast. GOM will obviously demand that KesPA doesn't run PL, aswell as MBC and OGN runnng the MSL and OSL; they've effectively given all the power to GOM to create a monopoly. From there, GOM can do whatever the fuck they want; they can charge £1000/customer to view their games if they really wanted.
Please tell me WHY they would cease the "oh-so fragile" scene and crush it beneath their feet?
What would be the financial gain for that? GOMtv does not have the capability to alone show SC2 to the whole of Korea, they will of course contact existing/upcoming/new organistations and work TOGETHER with them.
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On May 27 2010 18:16 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:13 Sandrosuperstar wrote:Kespa will no longer be able to run pl IF gom demands them not to. The way i see it now progamers will be able to play sc2 aswell as participate in other tournaments not sponsored by kespa, gom will work as a governing body keeping companies from creating a monopoly. Atleast that's what i hope their policy is i really need to know what gom wants/will do !!!!!! GOM WILL be a monopoly. NO OTHER company can actually broadcast. GOM will obviously demand that KesPA doesn't run PL, aswell as MBC and OGN runnng the MSL and OSL; they've effectively given all the power to GOM to create a monopoly. From there, GOM can do whatever the fuck they want; they can charge £1000/customer to view their games if they really wanted.
Now that would just be a retarded thing to do. Nobody wins when that happens.
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On May 27 2010 18:16 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:13 Sandrosuperstar wrote:Kespa will no longer be able to run pl IF gom demands them not to. The way i see it now progamers will be able to play sc2 aswell as participate in other tournaments not sponsored by kespa, gom will work as a governing body keeping companies from creating a monopoly. Atleast that's what i hope their policy is i really need to know what gom wants/will do !!!!!! GOM WILL be a monopoly. NO OTHER company can actually broadcast. GOM will obviously demand that KesPA doesn't run PL, aswell as MBC and OGN runnng the MSL and OSL; they've effectively given all the power to GOM to create a monopoly. From there, GOM can do whatever the fuck they want; they can charge £1000/customer to view their games if they really wanted.
wouldnt you make more money from broadcasting free and advertising, then making a few geeks pay to watch and having a much smaller audience?
I think e sports will actaully have to be in demand before anyone has a leg to stand on when it comes to charging for view.
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On May 27 2010 18:06 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step. Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 12:42 EvilTeletubby wrote:On April 25 2010 12:36 Megalisk wrote:
So SC2 can potentially fizzle and fail as an ESPORT? Sweet..
Nope. If there is demand, another group, LESS FUCKING RETARDED than Kespa, will step up to the plate. I have no fear whatsoever that SC2 (and SC1 for that matter) can continue just fine without Kespa. ETT, you and waxangel were the people (moderators, whose opinion is most valued) who were one of the most active spreading the Kespa-hate on this website. Dont you think that when blizzard was checking teamliquid.net and see all the shit thrown upon Kespa, this wasnt the final thing that lead them to take this descision and stop working with Kespa? I think you should take responsibility for this.
I`m sure Blizzard would make a huge decision which will definitely change the future of SC2 upon TL not liking Kespa. Don`t be silly.
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I'm not really sure what to think about this...
Oh well this current MSL still goes on...?
Umm...
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On May 27 2010 18:22 lolaloc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:16 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 18:13 Sandrosuperstar wrote:Kespa will no longer be able to run pl IF gom demands them not to. The way i see it now progamers will be able to play sc2 aswell as participate in other tournaments not sponsored by kespa, gom will work as a governing body keeping companies from creating a monopoly. Atleast that's what i hope their policy is i really need to know what gom wants/will do !!!!!! GOM WILL be a monopoly. NO OTHER company can actually broadcast. GOM will obviously demand that KesPA doesn't run PL, aswell as MBC and OGN runnng the MSL and OSL; they've effectively given all the power to GOM to create a monopoly. From there, GOM can do whatever the fuck they want; they can charge £1000/customer to view their games if they really wanted. Now that would just be a retarded thing to do. Nobody wins when that happens.
Well considering Blizzard is already charging 2.97 $ / month for AH remote access app on your Iphone, everything is possible in that regard. Who cares about killing an industry if you can make a short term profit over something that doesn't bring you money in the first place ?
Don't be naive, Blizzard prolly wishes OGN and MBC to be crushed down and licensed GOM to do so.
The fact GOM is owned by CJ has nothing to help.
Big sponsors don't really care about their pro teams, they just use them as a cheap extra advertisement.
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On May 27 2010 18:24 barth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:06 mdb wrote:On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step. On April 25 2010 12:42 EvilTeletubby wrote:On April 25 2010 12:36 Megalisk wrote:
So SC2 can potentially fizzle and fail as an ESPORT? Sweet..
Nope. If there is demand, another group, LESS FUCKING RETARDED than Kespa, will step up to the plate. I have no fear whatsoever that SC2 (and SC1 for that matter) can continue just fine without Kespa. ETT, you and waxangel were the people (moderators, whose opinion is most valued) who were one of the most active spreading the Kespa-hate on this website. Dont you think that when blizzard was checking teamliquid.net and see all the shit thrown upon Kespa, this wasnt the final thing that lead them to take this descision and stop working with Kespa? I think you should take responsibility for this. I`m sure Blizzard would make a huge decision which will definitely change the future of SC2 upon TL not liking Kespa. Don`t be silly.
Of course, I`m not saying that they based their decision only on this. But its possible that the total negativity on tl.net towards kespa has influenced them a bit.
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On May 27 2010 18:22 lolaloc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:16 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 18:13 Sandrosuperstar wrote:Kespa will no longer be able to run pl IF gom demands them not to. The way i see it now progamers will be able to play sc2 aswell as participate in other tournaments not sponsored by kespa, gom will work as a governing body keeping companies from creating a monopoly. Atleast that's what i hope their policy is i really need to know what gom wants/will do !!!!!! GOM WILL be a monopoly. NO OTHER company can actually broadcast. GOM will obviously demand that KesPA doesn't run PL, aswell as MBC and OGN runnng the MSL and OSL; they've effectively given all the power to GOM to create a monopoly. From there, GOM can do whatever the fuck they want; they can charge £1000/customer to view their games if they really wanted. Now that would just be a retarded thing to do. Nobody wins when that happens.
It was a slightly exxagerated example, but my point still remains: GOM can do whatever they want. They'd control the MSL, OSL, and PL: they want a player in? Don't want Jaedong in the MSL because he's busy with GOM? GOM wants free advertising? If MSL disagree, well, they'll just cut them out, and force the MSL to shut their doors.
It's this kind of thing that forces MSL/OSL into having to have tiny audiences (like last year's MSL, complete failure) because they had to spend their entire budget paying GOM.
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On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step.
The fact that e-sports is so fragile goes to show that it needs an overhaul. It needs to be grabbed by the balls and thrown around for everyone to see. Not bubble wrapped and left to gather dust in korea. At least by taking control of the korean scene they can use the top players to present their game to the rest of the world.
If it does end up dying, then i guess it wasn't meant to be 
but if things keep going the way they are it's not going to improve and grow with any significance, in which case it might as well be dead.
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On May 27 2010 18:33 Hectic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step. The fact that e-sports is so fragile goes to show that it needs an overhaul. It needs to be grabbed by the balls and thrown around for everyone to see. Not bubble wrapped and left to gather dust in korea. If it does end up dying, then i guess it wasn't meant to be but if things keep going the way they are it's not going to improve and grow with any significance, in which case it might as well be dead.
Do you realise all the way pro gaming has gone since 1999 ?
You're talking non sense. It's fragile because of what it is. Video game competition.. nobody is going to be able to turn this worldwide mainstream in the matter of a few years.
It will take decades, if it doesn't die before.
Blizzard's only track record of recent video game competition is funding wow arena leagues....
You'd rather restart building esports from that, than trust established TV channels that made the impossible come to reality ? Daily games, hardcore competition etc.. ?
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well, ve to wait and see how things move on with these changes, no need to cry now as we can save the tears for later if needed.
btw. if u wanna host a tournament such as ..Tl.net invite or something, do u ve to ask GOM now to do so? ^^
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I don't think that Blizz will allow GOM to become a dictator of esport. Since they called out, that they want to work with other broadcasters, this seems to be a way for Blizz to avoid kespas power in korea and keep the fans calm. They won't cut down the whole broadcasting and give them sugar and streams :O
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On May 27 2010 18:20 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:18 Eury wrote:
A lot of people are mentioning how greedy Blizzard is and how they are just after more money. Which may or may not be true, but even if it is true I don't see how it have to be something bad for e-sports.
The purpose of a company is to generate money, and you would want them to believe that there are money to be made in e-sports, or e-sports will never grow to become big.
The more money to be made in e-sports the more money companies will be willing to invest into it. Simple as that.
I hope e-sports will become extremely profitable for companies like Blizzard because that will not only make Blizzard more inclined to care about e-sports, but it will also show other gaming companies that catering games to a more competitive crowd might not be such a bad idea.
And if game companies are profiting from e-sports then other companies outside of the industry will want to be part of that further driving the revenue in e-sports, that maybe in the future we can have more than a handful of players that can get a decent salary. And thats precisely what Korean pro gaming is trying to achieve and it took them 10 years to get there. Why break it down?
Because KeSPA wanted to control all that, something Blizzard doesn't want to. GomTV was obviously not Blizzard first choice to work with to begin with. They wanted to work with KeSPA and they have tried to do that for the last 3 years to no avail. KeSPA even stopped taking their calls at the end, which just shows how ridiculous dumb and childish they are.
Also KeSPA has done their best to limit the popularity of Starcraft outside of Korea. Not only are they not interested in the foreign scene. They don't want it to exist, because if Starcraft/E-sports in other countries would become as big as it is in Korea, then KeSPA would lose some of their power and control. Players and teams would have the opportunity to work with organizations other than KeSPA.
This is extremely shortsighted, because growth of E-Sports internationally would in the end also benefit E-Sports in Korea, but KeSPA is very afraid of losing the power they have had in the past.
And that is why I say good riddance to KeSPA.
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On May 27 2010 18:34 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:33 Hectic wrote:On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step. The fact that e-sports is so fragile goes to show that it needs an overhaul. It needs to be grabbed by the balls and thrown around for everyone to see. Not bubble wrapped and left to gather dust in korea. If it does end up dying, then i guess it wasn't meant to be but if things keep going the way they are it's not going to improve and grow with any significance, in which case it might as well be dead. Do you realise all the way pro gaming has gone since 1999 ? You're talking non sense.
Well considering starcraft was released around that time, its fairly obvious it has gone from nothing to what it is now.
Which as far as 99.9% of the worlds population is concerned, is still nothing. Its not growing fast enough for it to catch on to the mainstream before it is swept away with the next generation.
Hell, so many of us are already old and crusty, if we die out before starcraft becomes popular there wont be anyone left to pass on the goodness.
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On May 27 2010 18:18 Eury wrote:
A lot of people are mentioning how greedy Blizzard is and how they are just after more money. Which may or may not be true, but even if it is true I don't see how it have to be something bad for e-sports.
The purpose of a company is to generate money, and you would want them to believe that there are money to be made in e-sports, or e-sports will never grow to become big.
The more money to be made in e-sports the more money companies will be willing to invest into it. Simple as that.
I hope e-sports will become extremely profitable for companies like Blizzard because that will not only make Blizzard more inclined to care about e-sports, but it will also show other gaming companies that catering games to a more competitive crowd might not be such a bad idea.
And if game companies are profiting from e-sports then other companies outside of the industry will want to be part of that further driving the revenue in e-sports, thus maybe in the future we can have more than a handful of players that gets paid a decent salary.
A lot of people are mentioning how Kespa sucks, Kespa are not just referees who DQ people arbitrarily, or studios that plugs power cord, Kespa are the companies who put money behind the Korean scene and made it different from SC scene in the rest of the world. Without these companies' money, there would be no pro-teams, very few progamers (compared to what we have today), and much less quality programming if any at all. So when Kespa insists that it was them, not Blizzard, who created the scene, they are about 90% correct in their claim. Kespa (as in the 11 companies behind the pro-teams) pioneered progaming, they created the most serious e-sports scene in the world. Blizzard's contributions in the form of their sporadic tournament sponsorship are almost negligible in comparison. I find it very difficult to believe that any well-informed folks can seriously side with Blizzard on this one, their demands are simply outlandishly ridiculous.
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On May 27 2010 18:37 Hectic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 18:34 Boonbag wrote:On May 27 2010 18:33 Hectic wrote:On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step. The fact that e-sports is so fragile goes to show that it needs an overhaul. It needs to be grabbed by the balls and thrown around for everyone to see. Not bubble wrapped and left to gather dust in korea. If it does end up dying, then i guess it wasn't meant to be but if things keep going the way they are it's not going to improve and grow with any significance, in which case it might as well be dead. Do you realise all the way pro gaming has gone since 1999 ? You're talking non sense. Well considering starcraft was released around that time, its fairly obvious it has gone from nothing to what it is now. Which as far as 99.9% of the worlds population is concerned, is still nothing.
Ok ay. So you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about right ?
I'm done.
All of you go have fun with GOM. Having the guts to come here and post that kind of crap just shows what awaits us.
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On May 27 2010 18:33 Hectic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 17:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:
@ fallingdream -> I don't think it's that anyone really likes Kespa here, it's just Kespa staying in their current position is the best to ensure that progaming as we know it continues. It's still a very, very fragile system that could easily be dealt a killing blow with one mis-step. The fact that e-sports is so fragile goes to show that it needs an overhaul. It needs to be grabbed by the balls and thrown around for everyone to see. Not bubble wrapped and left to gather dust in korea. At least by taking control of the korean scene they can use the top players to present their game to the rest of the world. If it does end up dying, then i guess it wasn't meant to be but if things keep going the way they are it's not going to improve and grow with any significance, in which case it might as well be dead.
You have no idea how much E-Sports mean to many people. Would you feed your baby poison, and if s/he doesn't survive and just go, oh, I guess it was never meant to be.
That was a totally exaggerated example, but you get my point.
I hope this whole mess have no bearing on the players themselves. I wouldn't want their primes to be wasted over corporate squabbles.
The next generation of Koreans look up to the pro-gamers and want to be pro-gamers themselves. To say that it is a fading trend is rather ignorant of what's actually happening in Korea.
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Umm isn't this a monopoly? And do you honestly think that a monopoly is going to be good for esports?
Fuck you blizzard.
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