If we're going to pitch dumb abilities, I might as well pitch in.

Give the ultra its armor upgrade standard, replace it with a new upgrade. Give if a semi-scientific sounding name. The ultra has an ability that lets it , for five seconds, become stationary, and immune to damage, or raise its armor to something ridiculous (20ish?). Give it a 30 second cool down. If Ultras are going to be so damned expensive, they should at least tank their weight in resources. Plus it would add some micro, so everyone wins.

Sentenal

United States12398 Posts

May 23 2010 16:50 GMT

#82

On May 24 2010 00:45 KillerPenguin wrote:
Seems like ultras suck just like in BW I just don't see a role for them but maybe we'll see one evolve. I'm not sure what their role or ability should be but I kinda liked the 600 hp having them as a tank. All I know is I'm tired of seeing mass hydra without support working very well.

Wait wait wait... The Ultra sucked in BW? Since when?

HubertFelix

France631 Posts

May 23 2010 16:52 GMT

#83

Blizzard doesn't know what role they want to give to the ultralisk, it's quite disturbing.
I don't understand why they fear of making them a too powerful a+click AE damage unit. They didn't hesitate with the colossus, then they nerfed it making it more balanced.

They will never have returns on the ultralisk if players never use them. After the release of the game, they won't try big changes because of a possible imbalance. They had to do it in the beta

fAnTaCy

United States893 Posts

May 23 2010 17:04 GMT

#84

On May 24 2010 01:50 Sentenal wrote:

Show nested quote +

Wait wait wait... The Ultra sucked in BW? Since when?

I'd like to know this too o.0. Ultralisk saved my ass soo many times in BW, in SC2 i can't even rely on it to even do anything

Shade692003

Canada702 Posts

May 23 2010 17:19 GMT

#85

Regarding that SC1 video, considering that ultralisk cost 2 food less, and less resources, I'd take him any day over the Sc2 ultralisk.

Herculix

United States946 Posts

May 23 2010 17:47 GMT

#86

i think whoever is willing to do this should try a few different scenarios. massive vs. massive, massive + tier 1 massive counter vs. massive + tier 1 massive counter, etc. doing a single test against a single unit like this doesn't mean shit. you can do this for all of the massive units, or any unit in the game in general. it's the multiple situations that make you see what is really viable and what is not.

EnderSC

62 Posts

May 23 2010 17:57 GMT

#87

nvm. sorry

PhoenixM1

United States178 Posts

May 23 2010 17:57 GMT

#88

I say you post a bunch of videos with ultras fighting other units than zealots. I take away from this that Ultras are not good against zealots and nothing more. Unless you're out there massing 1 damn unit all the time without any sort of composition than it doesn't even matter.

poor newb

United States1879 Posts

May 23 2010 17:59 GMT

#89

ultras were supposed to be badass tanks, now they just die to everything

tier 3 units are supposed to be awesome with only a few counters and stream roll most other units, but with ultras pretty much every unit in the game counters it

EleanorRIgby

Canada3923 Posts

May 23 2010 18:00 GMT

#90

decreasing the ultralisks health was the step in the wrong direction, should have just added 50-100 health to them and kept the damage same.

Husika

Canada81 Posts

May 23 2010 18:04 GMT

#91

but see when we look at 3 zealots vs 1 ultra we fail to see how this unit interacts while with the rest of the army mass lings between ultras are great cause it lets the lings get in there while enemy focusing on ultra

i think marader tank will fall vs ultra ling since maraders take 3 hits to kill a zergling even if the zergling reaches the marader army tanks will kill the ling and deal splash damage to their own units
no?

tarsier

United Kingdom223 Posts

May 23 2010 18:12 GMT

#92

On May 23 2010 23:38 iounas wrote:
I will just leave this here...
http://imgur.com/eqvqS.jpg
http://imgur.com/jxOKd.jpg

can anyone confirm this?

if it's true than ultras can destroy a protoss army unless the protoss has zealots.

Mr.Pyro

Denmark959 Posts

May 23 2010 18:14 GMT

#93

The armor upgrade will make it change by a whole lot, especially since Zealots are 2 x 8 the upgrade alone will reduce that to 2 x 6, and in higher numbers the splash gets a whole lot better.

Markwerf

Netherlands3728 Posts

May 23 2010 18:40 GMT

#94

Making the ultralisk a unit that gets a bonus against armored was a wrong move imo as this makes it quite hard to use in 'typical' battles outside the mirror. Protoss will ALWAYS have a decent chunk of zealots in their army later on as it's their mineral sink (all other units have a 1 : 2,5 ratio or worse of minerals to gas and you collect at 1:4 while fully mining) and terran will generally have either marines or hellions at their front line. As a result ultralisks have a really hard time reaching the unit they are supposed to counter.

Personally I think the ultralisk should just be a more efficient roach later on which is slightly more effective at anything and especially more population efficient, but impossible to really mass because of the high gas needs. At the moment it serves a bit of a vague role as it's not really more effective then roaches at normal fightning but beats armored units which are generally situated in the back and tend to counter the ultralisk itself (marauder, stalker, immortal, thor). A anti ground armored unit for zerg makes sense but it doesn't really fit the ultralisk imo, as all the mineral outlets are light, which people are bound to make later on. As of now it only really makes sense in the mirror, but seeing blizzard's patch pattern they don't really focus on the mirror so thats probably not intended (they didn't change terran viking spam for example).

f0rgiv3n

United States112 Posts

May 23 2010 18:54 GMT

#95

lol... i like the comment about how if you send in 10 ultras vs 1 banshee the banshee wins... I think it's time to add rocket launchers to the back of the ultralisk, and then add stim as a researchable upgrade. :D .

On a more serious note, I'm on the same track with everyone who thinks that the ultra needs more life. It dies too quickly, especially if the reason they buffed it was to counter T mech? How does that make sense?

kajeus

United States679 Posts

May 23 2010 18:58 GMT

#96

To all the people talking about, e.g., zealots stopping an ultra onslaught. Why not send some banelings in front of your ultras?

Herculix

United States946 Posts

May 23 2010 19:00 GMT

#97

On May 24 2010 03:54 f0rgiv3n wrote:
lol... i like the comment about how if you send in 10 ultras vs 1 banshee the banshee wins... I think it's time to add rocket launchers to the back of the ultralisk, and then add stim as a researchable upgrade. :D .

On a more serious note, I'm on the same track with everyone who thinks that the ultra needs more life. It dies too quickly, especially if the reason they buffed it was to counter T mech? How does that make sense?

add some sickle arms and we're good to go vs. tier 1

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Galleon.frigate

Canada721 Posts

May 23 2010 19:01 GMT

#98

Blizzard knew that this would happen... ultra's do little dmg to light units.

Iets stop acting like this is supprising

I'm not sure why they are having to much trouble with ultras.. I don't know.

xalo

Peru80 Posts

May 23 2010 19:35 GMT

#99

ultras gotta skate

BigDatez

Canada434 Posts

May 23 2010 19:42 GMT

#100

On May 23 2010 22:09 Jugan wrote:
Wait so you're saying you get to micro your zealots, but the ultra can't micro itself into a better position?

SO it can run away while the zealots get free hits on them?!??!?!?!?

I mean, i think the ultras best way it to not be microed right there T.T