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Nice read, i will give out another perspective that is also frustrating me and i think that is also a big problem for many others like me.
My mayor problem as a tournament manager with Bnet 2.0 patch 13 is how i'm going to be able to group everybody and keeping their information as private as possible.
I respect people who don't want to give away their email accounts, even less if that account is their facebook account where i can find out who their relatives are, his relationship & every single information.
I can't imagine how hard it will be for Craftcup or gosucoaching to manage their tournament (I only know this ones) with +300 signed up players.
You can add people without their real ID after playing with them or by making a party.
But when you make a party with more than 3 people you cannot create 1v1 map wich is absolutely riciculous, so you can't manage a tournament with a party of 32 people (i don't even know wich is the maximum numbers of party members possible)
There are many flaws in Bnet 2.0, and as far is know SC longevity depends on competitive multiplayer gaming (tournaments) and Bnet 2.0 isn't making that easier.
What will happen to Clan Leagues, Nation Wars, ICCUP, etc...
They made SCBW survive all this years.
For me, the main purpose for beta testing SC2 is under a competitive enviroment unless they expect SC2 to die soon and we all go back to SCBW or WC3.
I loved SC2 before this patch, now i'm very sad and disappointed.
Dustin Bowder go back to C&C.
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FA just owned this thread
pretty amazing post
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On May 23 2010 07:05 ymirheim wrote:@FrozenArbiter Woah, wait man. I was talking about social infrastructure only  Although I fully agree with you on several of the features that we know won't be there. Maybe it was because my posts started off as a reply to a line of argument on chat systems or maybe I just failed to make it clear that is what I meant. I am quite skilled at making myself misunderstood so that is possible  My apologies if I got people confused. Anyway, all my posts relate only to core social features most prominently smoother friends management and chat. As for all the other stuff I completely agree with most of that it is bad and that we won't see it. The biggest issue for me is the separate servers and the lack of global ranking. The lack of lan support I fully understand actually. They pretty much have to go with that in order to control hacking and piracy. Not saying I like it but I understand why it has to be that way.
Oh I see, sorry =] It's all good tho, that rant was long in the making.
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On May 23 2010 07:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 07:05 ymirheim wrote:@FrozenArbiter Woah, wait man. I was talking about social infrastructure only Although I fully agree with you on several of the features that we know won't be there. Maybe it was because my posts started off as a reply to a line of argument on chat systems or maybe I just failed to make it clear that is what I meant. I am quite skilled at making myself misunderstood so that is possible My apologies if I got people confused. Anyway, all my posts relate only to core social features most prominently smoother friends management and chat. As for all the other stuff I completely agree with most of that it is bad and that we won't see it. The biggest issue for me is the separate servers and the lack of global ranking. The lack of lan support I fully understand actually. They pretty much have to go with that in order to control hacking and piracy. Not saying I like it but I understand why it has to be that way. Oh I see, sorry =] It's all good tho, that rant was long in the making.
And good thing you made it, I pretty much agree with it 100%.
I especially hate the fact that I will have to buy at least two different copies of the game to play with both my american and european friends.. I guess I understand the logic behind having the regions on separate servers. But they should at least let you "transfer" your account between servers.
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rather than blaming them for all the stupid shit they have implemented into the "social interface", lets think about all the awesome GAMING features they could have implemented.
-a generalized replays database, on which you could find every ladder game from the best divisions.
-a "waaaghtv"-like interface sothat an unlimited ammount of people could watch a game live as observers, and lets dream, maybe make it so that people chat togehter?
-a LAN feature, e-sports , anyone?
-an implemented IRC interface to organize clanwars, tournaments etc.
-A FUCKING CHAT LOBBY
-how about add-ons just like in wow (never played wow just heard of it) sothat big organizations could release their addons, and lets dream, an ESL addon to check your clanwars and the ESL ladder, or add-ons to listen to some shoutcast during a LIVE GAME that you could watch as an observer.
but i think they just asked random faggots in the streets and the guys were like ..mhhh....if there is facebook....i could buy it....
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This last patch truly let me see how garbage Battle.net 2.0 is.
It's gross, it's unnapealing, I want it gone.
I dont want facebook on a video games, I and i TRULY do NOT want my name visible to every arse i want on my friends list.
I cant explain how unappealing this new battle net is. Remove it, Introduce battle.net 1.0, Everyone wins. Battle.net 1.0 with a new interface is the way to go IMO.
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We've found that certainly for us, StarCraft is a vastly superior experience when playing against someone of equal skill as you, and that might not be your friends.
It is almost unreal he uses this as part of his justification for removing LAN. I cannot believe he actually said this.
No way of telling who the host is?
- No way of searching? Check
The host is in white letters (it's hard to see) and you can search for published maps, which actually seems to work great (it's in the top right), much better than any other aspect of custom games right now. Too bad all custom games are unplayable at the moment because of lag and input delay.
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This whole thread is full of so much ignorance its astounding.
Do you think what we're seeing now is EVERYTHING Blizzard has worked on? There are huge areas of the game that are "Disabled for Beta" because they don't want us to be preoccupied testing those things -- but that doesn't mean they're not working on it, idiots.
Do you not realize that there are different teams working on different areas of the system? The people who implemented Facebook have a different role than the people who balance the game or work on the clan features, etc.
What a ridiculous bunch of unappreciative ignorance.
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FA right on spot with a perfect post. <3
we should all copy that text and mailbomb blizz with it.
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FA is right on the money.
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Wolfpox battle.net casual gamer troll poster ftw.
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Does anyone dare to make a post on the Blizzard SC2 forum complaining on how much Battle.net 2.0 sucks? I'm not trying to start something bad, but seriously... just look at Jinro's post. You're telling me those things could not be done yet (if ever)? StarCraft fans have waited for a sequel in over a decade and you've come up with.... this?!
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lets hope the no lan thing dont LAG!! or it will ruined any tourney for this game
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On May 23 2010 07:13 Wolfpox wrote:
This whole thread is full of so much ignorance its astounding.
Do you think what we're seeing now is EVERYTHING Blizzard has worked on? There are huge areas of the game that are "Disabled for Beta" because they don't want us to be preoccupied testing those things -- but that doesn't mean they're not working on it, idiots.
Do you not realize that there are different teams working on different areas of the system? The people who implemented Facebook have a different role than the people who balance the game or work on the clan features, etc.
What a ridiculous bunch of unappreciative ignorance.
while i kind of agree with what you are saying, seeing the posts actually listing all the LACK OF features really puts things in perspective that there really is not very much to appreciate at the moment :/
esp. considering all the features that they CHOSE not to implement and may never implement.
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All I want is a chatroom/channel. We can ghetto rig the rest of the social functions that bnet lacks ourselves if we just had that.
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Sweden33719 Posts
-a generalized replays database, on which you could find every ladder game from the best divisions.
This is actually something they have planned for their Proleague division. Assuming the pay or prestige is high, I can see it working. If not, I think pros are gonna be reluctant to have ALL their replays public.
Dustin Bowder go back to C&C
While I resent his comment about pulling wings off butterflies (come on, what has that got to do with wanting LAN man  ? I've always like Browder but that was just offensive), I really don't think you can blame him for 99% of the battle.net direction.
As far as I understand it, that's a separate team and they don't really interact THAT much.
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Jinro man that last post strikes home too much ;( Excellent OP btw I could not agree more on many of these points. We are all just hoping but it's becoming increasingly more apparent that they have just FUCKED things up royally so far. The beta going down is their chance at rebirth, but I am losing faith quickly. Seriously what the fuck blizzard, it's like they really had no clue what they were doing when they made Bnet. They really seemed to put the bottom line of making money out of Bnet above basic's that gamers EXPECT especially from blizzard. Sad times... really.
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On May 23 2010 07:17 wrgrbl wrote:
All I want is a chatroom. We can ghetto rig the rest of the social functions that bnet lacks ourselves if we just had that.
The truth.
I wouldn't need a working friends list, working game lobbies, or whatever if only there were chat rooms. =[
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Thank you, FA. Friends wondered why I was angry at the Facebook feature; you just summed it up exactly. So much is missing which shouldn't be hard at all to implement.
I've loved this game and I love it already. But my faith is slowly deminishing as time and patches go by... And with the little time left to the release? I just cannot believe it.
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yea facebook integration was the most retarded thing they could've done to bnet.
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