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tenno
Germany20 Posts
On May 17 2010 19:02 Duelist wrote: Of the top 18 players on the asian server, only one is protoss. If zerg was overnerfed, then protoss got destroyed. Should mention that in your article Artosis. these stats are still pre-patch12 based | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
You said yourself the vast majority of good players are playing Zerg. That's exactly what Blizzard doesn't want in a Beta; so they make them worse and some top players switch to other races. At least they're making changes and learning things. Basically this thread like so many others just sounds like more needless whining. TL is dieing a slow death. | ||
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tenno
Germany20 Posts
On May 17 2010 19:09 Klive5ive wrote: You're reasoning may be correct about balance (although I'm not sure, we don't even have proper maps yet) but certainly this change doesn't warrant a giant post or any concern beyond what we already had about Blizzards flawed design system. You said yourself the vast majority of good players are playing Zerg. That's exactly what Blizzard doesn't want in a Beta; so they make them worse and some top players switch to other races. At least they're making changes and learning things. Basically this thread like so many others just sounds like more needless whining. TL is dieing a slow death. there is no dying going on ;-) so they get proper results for balance issues with nerfing zerg? that doesnt make any sense in my opinion. They should reconsider there changes or alter them with adding some 1 supply zerg unit in T1 or T1,5. Its a fact they didnt take the players playing the races into account, obviously. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
:O i didn't know that, but in that case, that supports my point, considering that so far protoss has been by far the most nerfed class out of the 3. | ||
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
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110595910
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 17 2010 19:12 tenno wrote: Its a fact they didnt take the players playing the races into account, obviously. Obviously you have no idea and just made that up. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On May 17 2010 15:45 Luddite wrote: I think it's more likely that Korea simply developed a myth that zerg was the strongest race, which caused all the really competitive players to pick zerg, which meant that zerg won all the tourneys, which reinforced the myth. I totally agree. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
Try go from zerg to terran, your head will explode. | ||
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Mojawi)SoJu
Korea (South)259 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 17 2010 14:53 Artosis wrote: This doesn't make playing the Zerg easier, per sey I'm usually not some kind of grammar nazi, but that really hurt my soul  | ||
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KillerPenguin
United States516 Posts
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
What I want to speak to is the expectation of 'fair' patchs. No one should expect 'fair' patches with nerfs balanced by buffs Blizzard most likely has plans to balance out the roach at 2 food supply - and also backup plans to keep them at 1. And that almost certianly have more changes planned for the Ultra. So why didn't they put them all into patch 12? Simply if you put down 3-4 changes to a unit in one patch, and it doesn't go exactly as planned... you can't tell which of the changes went wrong, or even what does what. It's standard practice to make as few changes at a time as possible to see the impact. It's part of testing of any system. This is a testing process... in many cases it's refinment and and you see fair changes... but that can only happen the unit(s) involved are not broken in the first place. If you are making serious changes you make them slowly. Based on what I'm seeing I fully expect balance patches to continue into the live game as well. Though Artosis is obviously correct to point out a pattern of zerg nerfs | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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Generico
United States39 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Who plays which race is definitely important to the argument as well. As you can see from the whole EU community is that pretty much every single guy on top is an ex-top-gamer in some other game. The whole top 10 of the gosugamers ranking are guys that are known for their accomplishments in other games. Be it BW, War3, Supreme Commander (TLO) or WoW (Orly). It's pretty clear that out of all these games on average BW will give you the best preparation for SC2 and thus the argument that Zerg has got more ex-pros than the other races and therefor played better is totally valid. I don't really agree with claiming overnerf based on that though, because just like we can't determine the exact learning curve of the races we also can't determine exactly how much the nerfs will do. It's very possible Zergs will continue being on top in Asia making the whole argument of overnerf invalid because no one is capable of judging exactly by how much ahead they should be. Anyway articles need strong opinions so this conclusion added to the above mentioned theories makes sense from a writers perspective. Also Spunky is an ex-pro and plays Protoss I feel he deserves a little bit of love. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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