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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#121
+ Show Spoiler +
* TERRAN

o Thor

+ Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125.
+ Model size reduced to match new radius.


* ZERG

o Roach

+ Supply count increased from 1 to 2.


YES! Goliath 2.0 and Zerg army diversity, here we come!
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Bowzer
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada214 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#122
If your going to nerf roaches, nerf the marauders a bit plz.

Cmon.
A drinking community with a gaming problem.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#123
Blizzard really smashed the hammer down on the roach.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#124
This is the worst patch ever...

Forge nerf wtf, i don't like change to thor and i don't even know what was it's purpose, roach change seems unneeded but maybe Blizz wanted ZvZ to get even less roach-oriented (but IMO it was already kinda diverse)
Monzterg
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden257 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#125
On May 14 2010 02:56 Frost.stropheum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 02:54 Monzterg wrote:
On May 14 2010 02:49 asdfTT123 wrote:
What is the point of the forge nerf? I suppose it makes a little bit of sense when the roach supply is increased. Perhaps also cause the lower-lever players were complaining about cannon rushes.

But serious, wtf??? Terran is easily the most powerful race right now.


How can you say that Terran is the most powerful race right now?
Globaly we see Terran beeing the by far least successful race in the top levels.


You mean least successful in that they have the highest win percentage?


No I mean as in ammount of players beeing successful with the race.
TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:04:27
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#126
Void Ray is still too strong, BLIZZARD WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING AT???

Totally useless patch.

User was warned for this post
Makica
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada180 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#127
Ultra for zerg now and not just more roaches!
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#128
On May 14 2010 02:59 Frenzied_Tank wrote:
finally nerfed roaches, bout time


Were you there when they nerfed roaches in every patch?
We spend our youth attaining wealth, and our wealth attaining youth.
Xeken
Profile Joined May 2010
United States77 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#129
So much for zerging.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#130
yea, feel really bad for zergs.. this is the biggest nerf of anything in the beta.

Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#131
On May 14 2010 02:59 Aberacht wrote:
[image loading]

I can't wait until Blizzard just makes it as small as a Goliath.
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#132
roaches were too strong for 1 supply but for 2 supply they seem weak, but who knows. every z i faced untill now massed roaches/hydra the whole game until 200/200 and after that replaced with some broodlords an new hydra/roach. maybe we will see more linge and infestor usage now, and not 2 unit spamming into a move.
maybe this change will suck ass. but then they will fix this again in a different way.
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#133
11 nerfs in a row on protoss

Goin' strong
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#134
On May 14 2010 02:59 SLush wrote:
I don't know now what's the ROLE of the roach? it looks like blizzard wants to make the ultralisk the tanking unit but at the same time they decrease every good aspect of the roaches, now what is their role? tactical unit? no. tanking units? not even good vs kiting units.

Don't understand the nerf on the forge either...

Thor smaller, then plz make ultra smaller.


I really think Blizzard needs to realize that they have to make some MAJOR CHANGES to the Roaches and not just try messing with numbers on this one - It's too F'ed up already... ^^'

But I guess if they make the Ultras smaller just like the Thor, they could actually be useful, cuz atm. the biggest Problem is that they don't seem to be able to attack anything: They're too big, get blocked by the own Units, have messed up AI etc. - should be much better with decrease in size I think.

Forge-nerf I don't even wanna talk about... I guess Blizzard likes 1-base 4 gateway+robo-timing-attack by Protoss against every other race.... -.-°
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StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#135
Roaches are still going to be a viable 2 base tank unit that takes the brunt of the damage. The only change is that you actually ahve to pop an overlord or two extra when massing them. Anyone who made roaches early game was going all in anyway.

How does this change affect ZvT at all? Speedling / spines into lair is what the standard build is. Going roaches early against terran has allways been a huge gamble because of the posibility of a marauder counter before your lair tech hits.

The roach is now fixed in its roll as a tanking unit.
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
May 13 2010 18:02 GMT
#136
On May 14 2010 02:59 Crissaegrim wrote:
Protoss forge nerf - proving that blizz needs to nerf protoss in every patch...even if they dont know what else to nerf lol.

Zerg - Roach nerf...not too bad but I suppose they'll buff zerglings or...wait for it...ultralisks to compensate.

Terran - There was an article saying that terran is the strongest race...slowly agreeing to that now...


A fucking Ultralisk balancing out a t1 unit wait what ?

Seriously don't understand what to do with the Roaches now since they nerfed them to oblivion what's their function now ?
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2010 18:02 GMT
#137
I don't really like the forge nerf. Even less diversity for protoss openings now. =[
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
May 13 2010 18:02 GMT
#138
On May 14 2010 02:49 asdfTT123 wrote:
What is the point of the forge nerf? I suppose it makes a little bit of sense when the roach supply is increased. Perhaps also cause the lower-lever players were complaining about cannon rushes.

But serious, wtf??? Terran is easily the most powerful race right now.


Not really, they were the hardest to master and somewhat weaker than the other races before the patch and this hardly changes that much. Although, I do like the thor change.
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Vexx
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States462 Posts
May 13 2010 18:02 GMT
#139
On May 14 2010 02:55 Random() wrote:
I don't get the Roach change. It has already lost everything that made it special (regen, armor) and now this.

Exactly.

The roach has been nerfed back to back for months. It is no longer the "cool unit with staying power for the zerg army". It's just lost. It has no place. Like a filler really.

I don't know what the ultra buff is going to be, but it better involve a change of armor type.
I am not nice.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
May 13 2010 18:02 GMT
#140
On May 14 2010 03:00 Jdanzi wrote:
wow, some zergs will have to do more than make 200 roaches to win games, might even have to unit mix. This encourages zergs to use their tech switching versatility to win games as opposed to overwhelming with sheer numbers of roaches.

Great, the race supposed to be all about overwhelming numbers will now have smaller armies than Terran.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
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