• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:02
CEST 15:02
KST 22:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 28ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon295.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes35Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 HomeStory Cup In Early July 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch First season(s) of tastosis gomtv gsl vods? ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered?
Tourneys
The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 17555 users

Patch 12 - Changes and Discussion - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 79 Next
MagisterMan
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden525 Posts
May 13 2010 17:58 GMT
#101
I'm interested in seeing how much smaller the thor will look
Nachos?
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 13 2010 17:58 GMT
#102
Zerg units with 2 food:

Everything except for drone and zergling.

So much for the "swarm".
starleague forever
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 17:59:27
May 13 2010 17:58 GMT
#103
Roaches now, in a way, cost 12.5 more minerals. (Overlord is 100 minerals. 1 supply costs 1/8 of an Overlord. 2 supply costs 1/4 of an Overlord. So it changed from 12.5 to 25.) Zergs going Roaches will have more Overlords, for better or worse (worse if their Overlords are ever in danger, better if they're not in danger and are being used for something). Zergs will have to use one larva for an Overlord for every 4 Roaches they make rather than one for every 8. Some timings will change to push Roaches back an extra 100 or more minerals, depending on how many Roaches it involves. If income is low, that'll be significant. If it's high, it might be negligible. Max supply 200/200 army containing Roaches will be smaller.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
jimbobdwayne
Profile Joined March 2010
United States53 Posts
May 13 2010 17:58 GMT
#104
I'm glad my zerg play doesn't use many roaches.
Make it as simple as possible but not simpler.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 13 2010 17:58 GMT
#105
On May 14 2010 02:57 Silver777 wrote:
Didn't DT use to do 50 damage? Maybe i never noticed the change in a previous patch but they now do 45?

Always 45
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
NiiPPLES
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom201 Posts
May 13 2010 17:58 GMT
#106
On May 14 2010 02:57 BigDates wrote:
Time to change races from zerg T.T

The last.. how many patches? made Z worse?
The corruptors are ALOT worse now, idc what some people say, disabling your enemies production for several minutes in a row was alot more useful.


Why do koreans have to be sooo gooddd with zergg?


Yeah, I'm changing to terran and thor rushing for the foreseeable future.
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#107
I hope the forge nerf doesn't significantly impact Protoss FE vs Zerg too much.
ROOTslush
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada170 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#108
I don't know now what's the ROLE of the roach? it looks like blizzard wants to make the ultralisk the tanking unit but at the same time they decrease every good aspect of the roaches, now what is their role? tactical unit? no. tanking units? not even good vs kiting units.

Don't understand the nerf on the forge either...

Thor smaller, then plz make ultra smaller.
SonKiE
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#109
can someone post a pic of the smaller thor?
country
.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#110
13 May 2010 - The Day 50% of Zergs Raceswitched to Terran.
Frenzied_Tank
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany100 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#111
finally nerfed roaches, bout time
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#112
roach supply nerf is cool - with infestors being super strong and the sheer mass of units it felt like close to impossible to stop zerg lategame
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Ghazwan
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands444 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#113
I am sold, ima make ultras from now on as tanks!


(Was this the reaction Blizz hoped for with roach nerf?)
pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#114
THOR IS HEYAH

gogo gadget thorspam.
"I made you a zergling, but I eated it." - Defiler
Aberacht
Profile Joined May 2010
United States12 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#115
[image loading]
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
May 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#116
Protoss forge nerf - proving that blizz needs to nerf protoss in every patch...even if they dont know what else to nerf lol.

Zerg - Roach nerf...not too bad but I suppose they'll buff zerglings or...wait for it...ultralisks to compensate.

Terran - There was an article saying that terran is the strongest race...slowly agreeing to that now...
Jdanzi
Profile Joined March 2010
England78 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#117
wow, some zergs will have to do more than make 200 roaches to win games, might even have to unit mix. This encourages zergs to use their tech switching versatility to win games as opposed to overwhelming with sheer numbers of roaches.
Lyrok
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany85 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#118
On May 14 2010 02:57 Silver777 wrote:
Didn't DT use to do 50 damage? Maybe i never noticed the change in a previous patch but they now do 45?


They always did 45.

Looking forward to the tiny Thor, the horrendous amounts of QQ about Roaches now nedding 1 supply more are to be excepted and really entertaining
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:00:25
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#119
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
May 13 2010 18:00 GMT
#120
On May 14 2010 02:57 baeracaed wrote:
Don't you guys think 2 supply Roaches is going to end up with lots of Zergs getting completely raped by fast Zealots?

Players don't mass up roaches just to fend off early Zealot pressure.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 79 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:00
XXIX - Group Stage Day 1
TaKeTV 2313
TaKeSeN 327
SteadfastSC317
IndyStarCraft 191
EnkiAlexander 66
Liquipedia
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 99
CranKy Ducklings83
CranKy Ducklings SOOP53
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 418
SteadfastSC 317
IndyStarCraft 191
Rex 120
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32176
Shuttle 1551
firebathero 658
Mini 611
Hyuk 534
BeSt 453
EffOrt 391
Snow 284
Soma 278
Leta 252
[ Show more ]
actioN 238
Mind 165
Rush 133
Pusan 100
Sharp 75
ToSsGirL 70
hero 58
Aegong 57
soO 53
[sc1f]eonzerg 50
Sea.KH 46
Free 44
scan(afreeca) 39
JYJ 37
Hm[arnc] 34
910 25
Bale 22
HiyA 18
sSak 18
Terrorterran 18
GoRush 17
Barracks 17
Noble 16
IntoTheRainbow 14
zelot 12
Sacsri 11
Rock 5
NotJumperer 5
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1241
XaKoH 472
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2089
byalli322
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King116
Westballz31
Other Games
singsing5084
B2W.Neo561
Sick199
Pyrionflax198
BEARDiaguz10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 770
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream241
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 59
• Adnapsc2 3
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco3111
• iopq 1
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2693
• TFBlade427
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 58m
HomeStory Cup
21h 58m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
HomeStory Cup
1d 21h
OSC
1d 23h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S3: W1
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.