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RogerChillingworth
Chad3103 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:37 lolreaper wrote: yea like 4v5v6v every 25 secs was hard, unlike zerg other races have to actually build supply and production buildings uhh...this was the dynamic in brood war too. You just switched your argument from "what an easy macro mechanic" to "BROOD WAR IS IMABALANCED". Nice. | ||
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Utred
Belgium16 Posts
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Beatus
Canada101 Posts
Build time increased from 35 to 45: mhmm ok it's not the end of the world. Life and shield values decreased from 550/550 to 400/400: lol why? o Thor + Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125: Going to be kinda wierd but oh well.. + Model size reduced to match new radius: Okay make sense. * ZERG o Roach + Supply count increased from 1 to 2: Okay now I feel bad for everyone that play zerg....... Bug Fixes * Fixed a crash which sometimes occurred when quitting the program: Thanks freaking god about time this was really anoying! | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:39 pabloINC wrote: i'm a protoss player but i think i'm going to have to change races after this forge nerf. protoss is just wayy too weak now. I though Protoss had the highest winning percent before the patch? How does the made changes instantly make them way too weak? | ||
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HeyheyLBJ
Sweden160 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:41 Utred wrote: Weird way to fix the roach. It'll make zvz more versatile but kinda weaken z a lot in the other MUs I fear. More versatile? Now FE's are out the window, and it'll be banelings vs banelings for the cake. What can be more boring than that? | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:20 Lollersauce wrote: I guess you guys haven't seen what good use of forcefield can do, or noticed that it's available at t1.5... If you're talking about how much a spellcaster is used in game the serinety is a clear winner it's used in every match up for toss every game as its cheap and has an effective spell. But real tide swingers in a late game battle imo are the infester and raven. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:43 nihlon wrote: I though Protoss had the highest winning percent before the patch? How does the made changes instantly make them way too weak? It's sarcasm, making fun of the Zerg whiners. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:40 RogerChillingworth wrote: uhh...this was the dynamic in brood war too. You just switched your argument from "what an easy macro mechanic" to "BROOD WAR IS IMABALANCED". Eat shit and die, you blind worm. no in broodwar zerg macro was very hard, you couldnt select multimple hatcheries and managing multimple bases was hard, now you just set rally and click sdddddddddddddddd | ||
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AzNxRaVeR
United States211 Posts
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SiegeFlank
United States410 Posts
This is still a beta. For all we know they're just experimenting a bit. There's over two months until the game actually comes out. Not to mention that the original StarCraft wasn't even balanced until long after its release. As far as the roach changes go, this really only affects the early game significantly. I think we should wait until blizzard releases the other zerg changes that we know are coming (buffed ultralisk, new ability in place of spawn infested terran) before we decide if zerg has been made too weak by this change. | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:34 Intropy wrote: To those saying the roach nerf is a good thing because it will force a more diverse army composition for Zerg, this would be true if Zerg had any units it could use to compose an army. As it stands now the reason every Zerg player masses roach/hydra/infestor s that those are the only units that are robust enough to actually form a standing army. Zerglings literally melt to mid game Terran and Protoss armies making them useless for anything other than harass. Banelings though handy at times are obviously one shot deals. Mutalisks, though great for harass, melt almost as fast as Zerglings if they actaully try to engage a P or T army head-on. None of those units are really viable for head to head combat against a large army and so that is why you see so few Zerg players using them outside of tactical roles. This. Mutalisks arent even that great for harass :/ Only reason you get them is to kill mass marauder+hellion. The couter vs hellion+marauder+thor was mass roach, because lings+hydra are weak against hellions, marauders deal with everything nicely, thor deals with any aair and does fine against hydra, infestors die really quickly so preventing NP is easy, and marauder+hellion dont die like rines to fungal. Banelings are useless against these units. Needless to say mass roaches was actually a viable and the only solution to some of the unit compositions. Nerfing it to 2 psi, makes me wonder when it is proven that T is just a better race... | ||
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HeyheyLBJ
Sweden160 Posts
Yeah cause having Forge take longer to build and having the supply of a backbone unit DOUBLED is the same thing... | ||
nemukud
Romania42 Posts
I love thor changes much cuter now :D. Forge nerf... !!!! Probably a response to those canon rushes but won't it also have side-effects? I don't get it... why do I find Terran the strongest race right now but Blizz thinks differently?? What am I missing? I know there are few terrans winning tournaments but like someone else said: "If all of them are massing MMM how hard can it be for the others to find a counter to that?" I would expect them to give terrans more options and make MMM less juicy. | ||
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
going through the zerg streams on this page here, it seems like nothing much has changed after all. basically only the 1-base-roach stays 1-base for one or two minutes longer. meanwhile it can still "cloak" (burrow) and the regeneration is nothing to sneeze at: 5HP/s is roughly as good as half a medivac. just because people can't be bothered to micro that doesn't mean it's no good. once again TLO showed us how recently. sry, but i refuse to discuss "200 food vs 200 food" battles... public custom 2v2s on twilight fortress are not suited for balancing a game. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:35 semantics wrote: You mean "Look at WOW PvP aww man we are fucked..." :D Blizz has i say 1 year after release of the game to get the game pretty balanced for it to stay relevant in competitive play. bold statement bw needed a long time to get where it is now. for example 1.08 was pretty huge and that came out in early 2001 (may or april if i am correct) | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 14 2010 06 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 06 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:45 {ToT}ColmA wrote: bold statement bw needed a long time to get where it is now. for example 1.08 was pretty huge and that came out in early 2001 (may or april if i am correct) Would you rather make one "supply depot" our of your CC, halting the rest of your production? Do you realize Zerg is the only race whose "supply buildings" interfere with army building? | ||
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Lollersauce
United States357 Posts
Outside of the pro level where they have the apm to manage the crazy piranhalings, I imagine many ZvZs are going to come down to luck with baneling/speedling collisions.. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:34 StarMasterX wrote: By the time I got here it was already page 43, so can somebody give me the general consensus on this patch? I'll give you mine...I'm never building a roach again. Really? So what are you gonna do about Zealot rushes? Banelings and hope he doesn't have Sentries? | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
Terran gets smoked in almost every single tournament out there. Terran wins the least share of matches on BNet. And you're complaining about a very minor change to Terran and Protoss? Given, the Zerg change is large, but if it doesn't pan out, they can change things. It's a beta - and Zerg is certainly powerful enough to warrant a large change. Jesus, give it a rest, absolutely pathetic. This patch is well-needed and more will probably come in the future. | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
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