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goswser
United States3548 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:31 titan55 wrote: T_T now all the Z are gonna switch to T.. i hate TvT's..... TvT probably has the most viable strategies out of any matchup out there right now, and when playing against people just learning T, its like free points ^^ | ||
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dicember
United States50 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:26 Jyvblamo wrote: Yeah but you could have 2 roaches for eac- Wait nvm. roaches have more dps per mineral cost than hydras. as long as you got some zerglings in front, roach ling will do better against marauders than hydras. i choose to play zerg primarily because i liked the larvae mechanic and because any time my opponent fucks up, i can turn that advantage into an economic advantage that just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Playing the economic game is technical, but it's just another aspect of the skill. But now because toss and terran can't keep up the pressure during the whole game and zerg is winning on econ, blizz is nerfing all the zerg units so zerg gotta keep up the econ just to stay even. that's bullshit. | ||
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HeyheyLBJ
Sweden160 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:32 Orome wrote: wowww So most roach builds ZvZ which already had to be very tight to not get rolled by speedlings are now obsolete, and Zerg will have huge troubles in 200/200 battles because they'll max out so quickly. Sounds like Zerg will have to get hive much earlier now, and get to broodlords (or ultras once they buff them) asap. The new ZvZ bothers me. The only thing more boring than Roach vs Roach is Baneling vs Baneling, but that's what they want I guess. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:33 vesicular wrote: What exactly did blizzard buff on Thors? Cuz the way I'm reading it it seems like a nerf to me. It became smaller in size, meaning less clunkiness, and more Thors attacking in a given area. | ||
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metasonic
United States115 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
That said, if they really want to spice the zerg up, I they need to buff nydus worms and rework infestors. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:35 Azarkon wrote: It became smaller in size, meaning less clunkiness, and more Thors attacking in a given area. But it also means any AOE will hit more Thors in the same area. I guess that's what I'd consider the nerf part. | ||
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Alterran
Sweden23 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:09 dicember wrote: the argument that 200/200 roach army being hard to deal with is baloney. 200/200 zerg army high on roaches costs at least twice as much as whatever toss army that's at 200/200. If the toss or terran were playing defensive the whole game and let zerg mass up to 200/200, then that is a solid econ-based win, and zerg shouldn't be nerfed down for that. Yep yep, I would be very suprised if that was the reason for the nerf, both terran and protoss have great options to counter the roaches if they also got 200/200. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:34 gereth86 wrote: As a zerg player I think it's definitely possible (haven't had much time to try it out obviously.Do you really feel that the supply change brings 8-9 roaches down to 4-5 early game? With how spawn larva works you often produce a mass of roaches simultaneously in waves as the spawn larva finishes. It seems like it's really going to force wasting money on premature overlords in order to accommodate the instant 16-20 supply jump you'll get from a round of roaches now. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:42 TrzystaDrzew wrote: Any one can paste screen with new Thor attached to dropship? My Battlenet is still down for maintenance. + Show Spoiler [thorship] + ![[image loading]](http://i40.tinypic.com/t82368.jpg) It's not attached to the medivac at all... was it like this before? Never checked. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:34 gereth86 wrote: Do you really feel that the supply change brings 8-9 roaches down to 4-5 early game? to get to 8 roaches we are talking about spending an extra 100 minerals and 1 larvae on top of what it was previously. Thats what, maybe an extra 20 seconds for the time needed for extra mining. So where previously you could get 9 roaches, now you get 8 in 15-20 seconds longer? (assuming your planning ahead on the overlord and not supply blocking yourself) I'm not arguing that this is not a big change, I just feel that most are way over exaggerating the in-game effect of a supply nerf on the early game. Late game, yes this is a big change and will likely force zerg into a different standard mix of units from the roach/hydra. Not that roaches will go unused, they will just now be 1/3 of the army comp instead of 2/3. The problem is that builds like the 15 pool 16 hatch into roaches that people like Artosis have been doing ZvZ is now completely impossible. It was already an extremely close battle to not lose your natural against speedlings, now it'll just be impossible. It fucks up roach openings in ZvZ (until midgame at the very least) and it's going to have a huge effect vs PT late-game. | ||
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Intropy
Canada92 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:33 vesicular wrote: What exactly did blizzard buff on Thors? Cuz the way I'm reading it it seems like a nerf to me. Can fit more in a given area, which means more DPS from your concave. Also, curcially, Thors have a much smaller circumference now meaning far fewer lings can surround one. | ||
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TrzystaDrzew
Poland72 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:38 vesicular wrote: But it also means any AOE will hit more Thors in the same area. I guess that's what I'd consider the nerf part. That's why I would call it "rebalance" rather than buff of nerf. More AOE aka FG is scary. P.S. I still want to see "ThorShip" picture- anyone? | ||
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RPGabe
United States192 Posts
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
"Yea. I noticed that as well. Anything we can do about that?" "Increase build time and decrease HP/Shield of the forge?" "And let's buff Terran while we're at it." "Maybe shaft Z some more? I hear Terrans are losing TvZ!" "Really?!!? That can't be! Let's double Roach supply cost then." "Good idea. Lunch?" | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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HeyheyLBJ
Sweden160 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:39 huameng wrote: + Show Spoiler [thorship] + It's not attached to the medivac at all... was it like this before? Never checked. Ummm... where's the Medivac? Or rather, what the hell is it doing? | ||
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powar
Canada36 Posts
Lowering hp to be in line with a one food unit would put them in line with the Zerg identity while balancing their cost effectiveness. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:21 dicember wrote: in SC1 they were the swarm. in SC2, they are intergalactic insects. they totally fucked up their concept of zerg during the drawing stages. ZERG ARE NOT FUCKING BUGS. I hate all this gross sound shit that zerg makes. Zerg should inspire fear with overwhelming numbers. to be fair, everything in sc1 except the zergling hydra and scourge were 2+ supply btw(not counting the drone) 2 units more zomg,considering 1 of those is removed and one has been buffed to where it needed it? | ||
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