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On May 14 2010 03:59 Chronopolis wrote:
Forge debuff (it's not a nerf, no one goes forge first in PvZ) is very welcome, as the forge rush previously was extremly difficult to defend. Compare gateway's build time of 55, to the forge's which was 35 (is now 45).
Watch Idra vs Huk of gosucoaching week 4 finals. Forge first is (was?) viable on some maps.
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I can already see like 80% Lings into Mutas in all "lower then Plat Games"
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Remember Blizzard is planning on adding/changing the Ultralisk, Overseer and Infestor. My hunch is that we will see some sizable buffs in patch 13.
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On May 14 2010 03:27 JreL209 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 03:17 NiiPPLES wrote:On May 14 2010 03:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:On May 14 2010 03:13 Code wrote:On May 14 2010 03:11 baeracaed wrote:
Probably worth noting that way less Zerglings will be able to surround Thors now. hmm good point...i guess this change has both pros and cons Umm, what are the cons? Cons, zergs best unit vs mech has just been nurfed and its second best has also been indirectly nurfed. brb terran Your best unit in general versus terran should be infestors.....Fungal Growth Rapes almost everything Terran has.
its called ghosts EMP and snipe. rapes infestors like nothing. snipe bypasses armor so they might be ok vs ultras too lol
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I can get why they increase time to build a forge, but I wonder why the HP?
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Sad to see everyone bitch out a patch immediately, this is beta - if they can't test things here when are they supposed to do it.
Zerg may have a bad time for one patch, but I have also read numerous threads that state that zerg is not a very fun race to play. One of the reasons for this is directly related to those roaches being so damn cost effective. It means you can't really have a dynamic match when one unit is just so useful. Change the roach, see what happens, maybe something that is for the better, maybe something that is not. One thing is certain it will change the match-ups, is it balanced? - unlikely but maybe it's better to make something weak to make it balanced and FUN in the future.
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Well looks like thats one less useful zerg unit now. So basically Zerg now only has hydra, ling, baneling, muta, broodlord now (until the ultra gets the mad buffs).
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Personally I would have just preferred if they nerfed the Roach's stats rather than nerf the supply. Making them 2 supply definitely hurts the Zerg's racial identity a bit, but having them have so much HP and damage also hurt the Zerg's identity just as much since the Roach had the power of a Protoss unit.
I'm just kinda worried how Z can survive against the other races in late game without godly Infester play.
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when i saw the first battlereports, roaches had a huge life regeneration, so i thought they are a kind of hit'n run unit.
but when beta came out they were heavy tanks with sick hp regen (that was obviously too strong) always trying to stay as close a possible for maxed damageoutput (so completely different compared to my first impression)
then they nerfed them to a point i found them okay (still that tank, but regen nearly gone) edit: dont want to say completely balanced, just refering to their role in my eyes
now they dont have any special thing of their own: they aren't this high-regen hit'n run unit and arent that tankingcrowd (because now you cant have as much of them so they cant block that much damage)
i'd really like to see them with 2 supply cost but regen again (maybe less hp to compensate), so that you try more than running as close as possible and then attackmove
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Everyone is worried about Zerg not having a counter to tank in late game. Possibly Ultras are the counter to that once that mystery buff comes out. Maybe next patch will have some impact on this. Perhaps, blizzard internally is already testing the Ultra buffs and find that the combination of ultras and roaches in mass would be just massively difficult to take down with their combined tanking abilities.
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On May 14 2010 04:01 Sultan.P wrote:
I can get why they increase time to build a forge, but I wonder why the HP?
People were using it as a block when they cannoned behind minerals I guess.
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Ye nice one please don`t nerf Terran units it`s totally alright that you can`t go into late game vs them bc emp+unit combination is not beatable oh and ye 1 base terra is enough vs 2-3 bases toss absolutly right go nerf toss and zerg some more Iam going to drink a lot of whine and cheese every T from now on.
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On May 14 2010 03:59 Chronopolis wrote:
Roach
+ Supply count increased from 1 to 2.
Not exactly sure how much of an impact this will have on zerg, but for sure, it will reduce the stregnth of the zerg's 200/200 army. Roaches are now supply whores, like zealots. As a biased protoss favour, I support this change, seeing as how a roach wins 1:1 against a zealot, and how cheap they are.
A roach should win 1:1 against a zealot is a tier 1.5 unit that requires and extra building to be created... That's like saying a stalker beats a marine 1v1 the marine should be 2 supply
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And this thor-buff-reduction-in-size thing doesn't suit the Terrans. Just as 2 supply and greater units don't suit the zerg. So is Arnold Shwarzenegger manning a Mini Cooper now? What the fuck is going on with this game.
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On May 14 2010 04:00 Onioncookie wrote:
I can already see like 80% Lings into Mutas in all "lower then Plat Games"
Don't forget banes, although to me, it seems like this was what blizz wanted. It appears they wanted roach/hydra to be less common than ling/bling/muta and other alternatives.
On May 14 2010 04:02 Aurdon wrote:
Everyone is worried about Zerg not having a counter to tank in late game. Possibly Ultras are the counter to that once that mystery buff comes out. Maybe next patch will have some impact on this. Perhaps, blizzard internally is already testing the Ultra buffs and find that the combination of ultras and roaches in mass would be just massively difficult to take down with their combined tanking abilities.
yea, um. Roaches and ultras in mass would be extremely easy to take out, just go air.
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NEW TVZ:
-Make a reaper or two to force Zerg into 2 supply roaches and/or spines that take a year to reroot.
-Transition into reactored hellions to keep him on the roach track while you go into mass mech ball.
-???
-Collect win.
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just how much smaller is the thor?
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On May 14 2010 04:01 Disastorm wrote:
Well looks like thats one less useful zerg unit now. So basically Zerg now only has hydra, ling, baneling, muta, broodlord now (until the ultra gets the mad buffs).
Mutas are not usefull. They get rofstomped by phoenix / thor. I didn't lose a single PvZ since patch 11.
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wow forge nerf. gg zealot rushes
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On May 14 2010 04:04 Chriamon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 04:00 Onioncookie wrote:
I can already see like 80% Lings into Mutas in all "lower then Plat Games" Don't forget banes, although to me, it seems like this was what blizz wanted. It appears they wanted roach/hydra to be less common than ling/bling/muta and other alternatives.
Zerg will only have light units and will get dominated by Tanks , Storms and many more^^
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