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Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 13 2010 18:46 GMT
#421
oh, and not even server reset? cool, i thought all the servers would get wiped with this patch

guess it just shows that patch 13 is coming soon and the ultra buffs will come with that, and hopefully the zerg roach dwn to 1 supply again
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2010 18:46 GMT
#422
On May 14 2010 03:43 kxr1der wrote:
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On May 14 2010 02:55 Random() wrote:
I don't get the Roach change. It has already lost everything that made it special (regen, armor) and now this.


Yeah now its a hydra with no range and no AA. I really dont see the point of a roach now.

Burrow movement was actually getting seen more and more recently. Their one redeeming quality ~_~
CubE.
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada39 Posts
May 13 2010 18:47 GMT
#423
On May 14 2010 03:46 Oodama wrote:
oh, and not even server reset? cool, i thought all the servers would get wiped with this patch

guess it just shows that patch 13 is coming soon and the ultra buffs will come with that, and hopefully the zerg roach dwn to 1 supply again


Why would they nerf roaches only to buff them? Not to mention an ultra buff is not going to do anything to stop the ever widening imbalance that exists with zerg units. Simply put with this nerf zerg do not have enough units to do anything.
MindRush
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania916 Posts
May 13 2010 18:48 GMT
#424
lolz, the op was warned for the post as i see but the shit is real
Patch 12 notes
it's not the op's fault
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:50:02
May 13 2010 18:48 GMT
#425
Before Roaches were one of the most efficient hp/population units. They were 145hp/pop while ultras by comparison are 100hp/pop. So part of me understands this change. The other part of me realizes that now roaches are 72.5hp/pop which is only 2.5hp/pop better than zerglings. Obviously in game there are more factors like resource cost, armor, and so on.

Roaches are now moving away from being a useful unit and toward being a unit you make because your opponent has splash dmg and/or bonus dmg vs light and roaches are the only thing you can make to deal with that. While it may increase diversity, diversity is only fun when you WANT to make the different units because of what they do. It's not fun when you have to make a unit because it's the only armored unit you have.

Further patches might improve the situation, but it's not going to be an enjoyable wait at all.
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MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
May 13 2010 18:48 GMT
#426
Meanwhile at Blizzard HQ:
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MKP | Maru | Nada | Boxer | Supernova | Keen
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
May 13 2010 18:48 GMT
#427
I can only hope they are trying to define Ultras as the goto ground unit in late game, however nerfing the roach before doing anything to the ultra (other than lolmoardamage) seems highly weird.

Im no where near high caliber but Ive found even with double the bases up I cant beat a terran mech that has sufficient viking backup. Every ZvT I play is completely geared around ending it by midgame because of that.

Now with this roach nerf Im not sure I can end it with midgame pushes so unless something changes I may have to just go with bling early pool cheese when my random gives me ZvT. Or try for silly doomdrops when terran unsieges and moves out.

Frankly Im just stumped by this patch change, with no other changes to zerg race I don't see how what its meant to do to change zerg play other than crack it with a massive nerfbat.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 13 2010 18:49 GMT
#428
I've been thinking for a while that that I should switch to different races more during beta, thanks for giving me a very good reason, Blizzard.

Honestly not sure what I am going to have to do to compensate, roaches functioned as meat tanks not just in their high HP but also in their numbers. Lings could never quite hope to accomplish that role short of dark swarm making a return. I pretty much agree with Morrow, in the later game fights I am just going to be working with absolutely less HP's worth of units going in with little way to make a difference on the matter.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2010 18:49 GMT
#429
On May 14 2010 03:48 MindRush wrote:
lolz, the op was warned for the post as i see but the shit is real
Patch 12 notes
it's not the op's fault

I suggest you inspect the OP more closely.
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NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
May 13 2010 18:49 GMT
#430
Why are so many zerg so reliant on roaches?
Roaches are great units but to me it seems sort of weird that the most used zerg unit is/was a 1 supply unit~.
I'm glad i can expect more unique builds rather than a bunch of roach rushes.

Games still in beta so the changes/nerfs/buffs aren't going to be permanent~ Explore the game some more

ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
May 13 2010 18:49 GMT
#431
You guys should really stop acting like every patch should be it.

It's not pin the fucking tail on the donkey. You don't throw some shit at it and be like TADA!! DONE!!!

They make changes, observe the effects, make changes, observe the effects. Not only is it not bad to expect that each patch won't be the end of balance -- it's probably better to do it this way.
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Ryhn
Profile Joined February 2010
United States509 Posts
May 13 2010 18:50 GMT
#432
Image of the Thor in comparison to marines:

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Famous Books Written by Progamers - "Clam: Mastering your other self"
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
May 13 2010 18:50 GMT
#433
I never feeled imba at equal pop of mass roaches vs T or P
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
May 13 2010 18:50 GMT
#434
Could we get a image of the new thor compared to the old thor?
Feefee
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada556 Posts
May 13 2010 18:51 GMT
#435
On May 14 2010 03:44 Lollersauce wrote:
Does anyone give a shit that Zerg is now all 2+ supply except for ling/bling?
I mean really... Isn't the point of playing Zerg having MORE fragile units?
Right now we have the fragile units (with the exception of the roach), but we really don't have more.


Was there another 1 supply unit for zerg in BW? Also, why don't we approach this roach nerf like a slight cost increase for roaches at first? I realize that 200 supply of roaches now means 100 instead of 200, which is obviously huge, but until you get supply capped really the only difference is that now you need to make more overlords. That might screw up the early roach rush, but otherwise it's really just equivalent to a price hike on roaches, no? Now instead of spending 100 extra minerals for an ovie after every 10 roaches you spend 200 (and admittedly a larva).
I don't see why that change was necessary either, but it's true that the roach is ridiculously powerful for a 1 food unit. I thought it worked out ok balance wise, but it sure as hell never seemed "fair" that a unit that powerful would be 1 food. When I first was told they were I was all "haha, yeah right, you misread that".
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
May 13 2010 18:51 GMT
#436
It's nice to know that the ONLY thing that removes force field is a unit from the same race that comes at the opposite end of the tech tree. My 2v2 partner and I are looking to perma block some people into bases and see how that works lol. Anyways, I wonder if this change was for balance, or for buggy issues.
JF dodger since 2009
link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
May 13 2010 18:51 GMT
#437
I think roach armor should be improved back to 2 and the fast burrow regen returned.
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space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:52:09
May 13 2010 18:52 GMT
#438
How about more/better maps Blizzard?
s2pid_loser
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
May 13 2010 18:52 GMT
#439
im very interested to see what slush thinks of the roach change LOL
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce
Lollersauce
Profile Joined April 2010
United States357 Posts
May 13 2010 18:52 GMT
#440
On May 14 2010 03:51 Feefee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:44 Lollersauce wrote:
Does anyone give a shit that Zerg is now all 2+ supply except for ling/bling?
I mean really... Isn't the point of playing Zerg having MORE fragile units?
Right now we have the fragile units (with the exception of the roach), but we really don't have more.


Was there another 1 supply unit for zerg in BW?


Troll much or are you that clueless?
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