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Ceric
United States36 Posts
I just think that Burrowing is a very iconic ability for Zerg and its a shame that the cost to benefit of it not being very attractive. I do enjoy harassing terrans with tunneling roaches but thats a special case. So what does everyone think. Would it be game breaking if the Lair upgrade just gave Burrowing for "Free"? | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:47 heishe wrote: they should just make it equal to the overlord speed upgrade. 50/50 and lower research time. you mean like when the beta first came out? | ||
Ideas
United States8167 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:50 Ideas wrote: I really wish that Zerg had a real "cloaked danger" in the way lurkers/spidermines were or DTs/Banshees are. burrowed roaches/banelings just dont really cut it at all. I'm not saying bring lurkers back, but I really wish zerg would have a unit that forces the other races to want to get detection. i really agree. would be awesome if some z unit could attack underground (or maybe u wanted cloaked zerg units :p) anyhow im also not saying bring back lurker but the idea itself of zerg units attacking from underground makes me say, thats zerg in raw form! | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:51 MorroW wrote: they should make overlord upgrade twice as expensive because everyone auto-gets it on lair. in rts games u want to make choices and sacrifices. stuff like warp gate, overlord speed or concussive shells r just practically free. in fact make all of it more expensive xd. i like strategic choices, not obvious choices Yet they increased the damage of marines if I recall recollectly and keep overlords hp at the same 200 as BW.. what other options would Zerg have for scouting? Also, it isnt as if overseer has more hp than a normal overlord... | ||
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Ceric
United States36 Posts
A stealth unit be sort of cool. Sort of like if the changling could mimic the enemies unit attack at say half damage or something. Maybe just lowering the price to 100/100 would be a enough to make it a more viable tech choice. | ||
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
However, at the same time, time burrowed units were more powerful and burrowed movement speeds were faster. I don't feel it's necessary to nerf both sides of the equation to balance it. I'd like to see burrow back to its former cost and upgrade time. Then again, I play Zerg, so go figure. | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:47 KinosJourney2 wrote: Burrow being free would be imbalanced, i like burrow but paying 200/200 for it at lair tech is just outrageous IMO its 100/100 | ||
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Ceric
United States36 Posts
All the burrow moving units are now slower. Especially compared to all the cloaked units. Do any Platinum level players use Burrow? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:42 Ceric wrote: At current time you have to get a lair and research burrowing. Now if you want to effectively "cloak" your roaches you also have to research movement. I put this as an equivalent to DT's or Banshees/Ghosts. DT's you just need to tech to them. Banshee's/Ghost you need to research cloak. I just think that Burrowing is a very iconic ability for Zerg and its a shame that the cost to benefit of it not being very attractive. I do enjoy harassing terrans with tunneling roaches but thats a special case. So what does everyone think. Would it be game breaking if the Lair upgrade just gave Burrowing for "Free"? Making it free or cheaper would maybe not be game breaking, but it'd be pretty dumb. Think of it this way. Terran and Protoss can't achieve cloaking until tier 3 or higher. Burrow is available by tier 2. Of course it's going to be more expensive. | ||
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TecNoPhi
United States25 Posts
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ccou
United States681 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:51 MorroW wrote: they should make overlord upgrade twice as expensive because everyone auto-gets it on lair. in rts games u want to make choices and sacrifices. stuff like warp gate, overlord speed or concussive shells r just practically free. in fact make all of it more expensive xd. i like strategic choices, not obvious choices i really agree. would be awesome if some z unit could attack underground (or maybe u wanted cloaked zerg units :p) anyhow im also not saying bring back lurker but the idea itself of zerg units attacking from underground makes me say, thats zerg in raw form! I agree. I just auto get all 3 abilities: warp gate, pneumatized carapace, and concussive shells without any consideration. They're sooo cheap. Actually, with warp gate, I'd probably still auto get it unless it's like 200/200. | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
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AdahnSC
United States376 Posts
cloak is 200/200 burrow is 100/100 burrow + roach burrow movement is 250/250 really its not that big of a difference. | ||
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Ceric
United States36 Posts
On May 12 2010 03:16 VX14 wrote: dark shrine is 100/250 cloak is 200/200 burrow is 100/100 burrow + roach burrow movement is 250/250 really its not that big of a difference. Ignoring the teching to get there. Wouldn't the differences amount to an extra Zealot for Toss and an extra Marine for Terran? | ||
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Chrion
United States31 Posts
On May 12 2010 02:51 Koffiegast wrote: Get sight on the terran command center and as soon as he drops a mule, have a field day.Funny part is that even when it is burrowed, shadows are shown on the ground. Also, it isnt as if pretty much any toss/terran doesn't have something for detection.. as most of them get a turret/cannon out anyways, if not for their other capabilities for detection (scan, observ) | ||
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Vexx
United States462 Posts
On May 12 2010 03:16 VX14 wrote: dark shrine is 100/250 cloak is 200/200 burrow is 100/100 burrow + roach burrow movement is 250/250 really its not that big of a difference. Great analysis. Did you consider the part where cloaked units attack while cloaked or that they move at normal speed while cloaked? Not that big of a difference I guess huh? I have been trying to use burrow more and more recently and have been very pleased with the results. Yes, it's a painful 100/100, but it's invaluable when you're getting harassed by air as zerg cause you can just burrow your drones and save your queen while reinforcements arrive. Burrowed banelings can be very devastating sometimes. I have had very very mixed results with burrowed roaches. It's a gimmicky one-trick pony that is really hit or miss. And even when it hits, it better do serious damage cause they aren't getting out alive. The problem with burrowed roaches is the cost of the units, the research and the amount of units you need to be effective. As opposed to throwing in 2 DTs or 2 cloaked banshees or 2 void rays. The lurker conflicts too much with the baneling is what the issue is for introducing the lurker. Everything the baneling does, the lurker can do better without dieing. Yes the baneling is new... but it's not really better. Though, it is satisfying to explode a marching terran army. I think burrow research should be faster and just a bit cheaper, maybe 75/75. I do like that few people research it though. Makes me feel unique! | ||
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