I completely agree with the OP on this. Terran buildings aren't air units, does it really make sense for them to be able to fly indefinitely? In any event, we're clearly dealing with an unintended consequence of this mechanic.

By the way, does anyone know for certain if that NonY game ended in a stalemate?

blackbean

Canada43 Posts

May 08 2010 04:16 GMT

#42

so what happened in the end, did nony leave or did the other guy leave? i gave up watching after 5 minutes lol

Hold-Lurker

United States403 Posts

May 08 2010 04:19 GMT

#43

On May 08 2010 12:09 Liquid`NonY wrote:
We were fighting for Incineration Zone and I conquered it. He is but flying on the edge of the border with an industrial facility while I patrol the grounds with my military. I am victorious.

For some reason, I actually laughed out loud while reading this. Did the other guy actually leave? :D

guitarizt

United States1492 Posts

May 08 2010 04:28 GMT

#44

I don't see how adding in a rule like it's a draw if there is no attack for 5 min after 30 game minutes have gone by would be hard to do. You can force draws in chess when it's obvious you're going to lose otherwise. It's probably not going to happen at high levels often but I know I did it once from the 3 moves in a row thing and I think josh waitzkin drew out a game against an international master when he was young when he would have lost otherwise.

Vei

United States2845 Posts

May 08 2010 05:29 GMT

#45

On May 08 2010 10:21 fatduck wrote:
TvP is horribly unbalanced already, as you know, because Protoss wins 54% of the matches. So clearly stalkers need fuel, not command centers.

Doesn't solve all stalemates, anyway - you could have one player with static d and the other with not enough units left to kill it, etc.

because stuff not being able to float forever is so game breaking

yomi

United States773 Posts

May 08 2010 05:35 GMT

#46

I think it is ok to have one race that you cannot base trade against

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

May 08 2010 05:36 GMT

#47

Okay, lets have hypothetical, though unlikely, situation A.
Terran is down to his last building, a CC with 25 minerals, or something, and a rather large ground army, while the toss player is down to a few buildings, no minerals or probes, and has a large army himself. The terran army doesn't want to push out because he is afraid of losing due to ground position, and hides his building to make sure the toss player just doesn't go in, snipe the building, and win.
Having a time limit would ruin this situation.
Maybe if you changed the requirement to having 1 floating building, 0/0 supply, and less then 25 minerals with no ability to mule, then I can see this.
Other than that, no.

Fen

Australia1848 Posts

May 08 2010 06:11 GMT

#48

You cant just force players to attack. If a terran wants to put his building in the middle of nowhere, thats his right. If you cannot kill him, then you cannot win the game.

Giving the terran buildings fuel will not stop stalemates from occuring. There are plenty of situations where two people would not want to attack each other because it would be a loss for the attacker.

I think that a draw system should be implemented. Players can offer their opponent a draw at any time past 5 mins or something. The other can accept and the result will be a draw. Also add in a force draw button, which if there is no damage done and no resources mined within the next 10 mins, the game is drawn.

RedTerror

New Zealand742 Posts

May 08 2010 06:11 GMT

#49

There should be an 'offer draw' button, simple.

DragonDefonce

United States790 Posts

May 08 2010 06:21 GMT

#50

Its a problem with people bm'ing than anything else i think. How often does a game end up with terran loosing all units and whoever else doesn't even have the money to make a single air unit?

Wargizmo

Australia1237 Posts

May 08 2010 06:26 GMT

#51

I think if buildings are floating around for too long the flying critters get angry and start attacking them.

rethos

Romania103 Posts

May 08 2010 06:38 GMT

#52

It seems that people consider that if terran lifts his buildings its and automatic draw... at least from what i see. Well, actually the opponent must have no nexi/hatches, and no available resources to eventually produce an air unit OR have a nexi/hatch and not have a worker and not have enough resources to build one OR the map is completely dry, and the opponent can not eventually produce an air unit.
Any way... the terran did significant damage during the game... to cripple the opponent that much. So it's not like a free draw, but a very hard worked and deserved one, from what i can tell.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

May 08 2010 06:41 GMT

#53

if the terran has over 50 minerals he can potentially rebuild tho. you wouldnt want terran to lose when they can still rebuild. in 2v2v2v2s especially that would be lame.

Pervect

1280 Posts

May 08 2010 06:48 GMT

#54

On May 08 2010 13:19 Hold-Lurker wrote:

Show nested quote +

For some reason, I actually laughed out loud while reading this. Did the other guy actually leave? :D

Reading in Nony's voice makes it even better. Especially his I'm-on-way-too-much-Ambien voice.

BlackHat

United States264 Posts

May 08 2010 07:21 GMT

#55

Why does it sound like every person in this thread saying, "Terrans shouldn't lose if they can keep a building alive, even if they have no hope of rebuilding" is someone who who sit in a game for hours with their one Starport and 35 minerals and refuse to see that they have lost.

Neshapotamus

United States163 Posts

May 08 2010 07:36 GMT

#56

Terrans should not have this mechanic implemented. Why not give a similar scenario in terran vs protoss. Terran has one marine and can kill all buildings but ONE CANNON is alive and is powered by a pylon. Should the protoss player leave. Then you should implement some type of pylon energy? Stop being ridiculous.

condoriano

United States826 Posts

May 08 2010 07:38 GMT

#57

You failed to eliminate the ones that witnessed the power of your civilization and learned its secrets; now they live somewhere in the air waiting for the reinforcements to appear and learn your ways and defeat you.

LennethEX

Canada15 Posts

May 08 2010 07:39 GMT

#58

On May 08 2010 16:21 BlackHat wrote:
Why does it sound like every person in this thread saying, "Terrans shouldn't lose if they can keep a building alive, even if they have no hope of rebuilding" is someone who who sit in a game for hours with their one Starport and 35 minerals and refuse to see that they have lost.

That applies to both players in this situation... Can someone actually explain the rational for saying that Terran lost? NonY said in the stream that he had a cybercore, a gateway and a standing army as if these facts are supposed to mean anything.

condoriano

United States826 Posts

May 08 2010 07:40 GMT

#59

On May 08 2010 16:36 Neshapotamus wrote:
Terrans should not have this mechanic implemented. Why not give a similar scenario in terran vs protoss. Terran has one marine and can kill all buildings but ONE CANNON is alive and is powered by a pylon. Should the protoss player leave. Then you should implement some type of pylon energy? Stop being ridiculous.

or take a gas on the island with the last drone hop in an overlord vs 100 supply terran ground army with no minerals. Useless thread.

leejas

United States440 Posts

May 08 2010 07:43 GMT

#60

the issue comes when terrans stall. It's a map issue in itself. If you look @ python v. lost temple, theyr'e pretty similar in nature. Python solved this issue with the minerals there and moving the base on low ground.