EPT1. Warp gates using a proxy pylon for zealots.
2. Proxy gateways churning out zealots.
3. Forge cannons galore.
If anything the 2nd type was even more awkward to deal with since it can hit about 1 minute earlier than the warp gates.
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
1. Warp gates using a proxy pylon for zealots. 2. Proxy gateways churning out zealots. 3. Forge cannons galore. If anything the 2nd type was even more awkward to deal with since it can hit about 1 minute earlier than the warp gates. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:21 Hammy wrote: Ok, your points could already qualify as "ownage". What happens now? Keep up the good work  he won't lose any more. terran bonjwa. gotta be really ownage to be the best european by far (on ladder) and now that patch ;D | ||
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore848 Posts
before you could wall in ur base with toss and go fast cyber to either tech or 3 gate warp rush, it was especialyl good vs zerg cause at least u kept them guessing about ur tech path. now as always its back to toss guessing what the zerg is doing | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:46 edahl wrote: It is not inconcievable that they release a different patch on EU. They might want to try different things. I wonder how that would pan out. I wondered why they didn't do that to get a feel for what changes causes what effects section off US and EU servers for different patches they have enough players out there to derive trends. might confuse people but it would help gain some insight to how people play | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Aurum
Poland2 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:36 Virtue wrote: well i think the warp gate and the borrow was to change up the game play for pvp and zvz as both were pretty much do 1 build or die. relaying of fast burrow or fast warp gate to lay on the pressure. as for the worm i think it's absolution useless you could already kill the worm with just workers just need to respond quick now anyone that pays attention can kill it no effort. Bullshit. Maybe @ Copper level where noob Zergs throw down in the mineral line, or by the SCVs. Personally, I thought the change needed to Nydus was to only allow it to build on creep.... | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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Steve496
United States60 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:26 Antimage wrote:PvZ you could have used warpgate to pretty much instantly deny a lair-hatch natural expo with a 2-gate and 1 or 2 immortal push. Now it's nerfed, so zerg will have a chance at fending this off without major losses. See, I disagree that this is a problem. I mean, lair + fast expo means you're even on tech and *way* ahead on econ - it seems totally reasonable to me that the P should be able to deny this opening. It's super greedy and should be counterable as such. This isn't SCI anymore. Zerg doesn't get to be an expansion ahead all game - with queens, they're balanced to be about even on even bases. A zerg with 2 bases has econ and production rivaling a 3-base, 5-hatch build in SCI, which... you shouldn't be able to reliably get in the opening, particularly if you want lair tech. So the fact that P has a way to punish zergs that play such greedy openings... seems like a good thing, on the whole. That said: the nerf doesn't actually delay the push very much - you wind up with, like, the same push 15 seconds later, or one less zealot at the same time. So it's still not a big deal - particularly with the burrow, hydra, and infestor nerfs making large Z ground armies easier to deal with. So it's not like I think the matchup is imbalanced now - it probably isn't. I just get annoyed listening to zergs that think they're entitled to some huge econ advantage in the opening and are annoyed when the big bad P keeps them from it. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
I actually have *some* faith in Bliz to balance SC2 after seeing how they are going about it in beta. In WC3 they hardly ever patched and when they did they nerfed/buffed everything at once which resulted in a complete mess. | ||
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USn
United States376 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:01 zeppelin wrote: Have you never heard of controlling variables? If they change a ton of things at once and something is off, it's almost impossible to tell which change caused things to go wrong because none of them were isolated. Never head of such an obscure concept. Beta's gonna last another 3, maybe 4 months at the most. At this pace they're not going to get it done in time as they seem to believe their basic template is 'just fine'. It isn't. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:56 USn wrote: I don't see why nydus should be good for offensive drops at all. It'll still be really strong for general mobility... isn't that enough? Yeah I still don't understand why zergs pretend OL drop isnt in the game | ||
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
On March 13 2010 06:59 0neder wrote: I really enjoyed PvP before the warp-in rush madness. This has me excited, both PvP and TvT look like they'll be awesome. Yeah, definitely. There is a LOT of undiscovered ground in these match-ups. PvP I think will turn out an absolute beauty. I thought it was great in BW, and I'd be surprised to see this change like it almost sort-of did. | ||
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On March 13 2010 05:28 PokePill wrote: Can an infester infest an infester? And what happens if the infested infester already infested something (or even another infester). HAHAHAA | ||
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On March 13 2010 05:30 Louder wrote: HALLEFUCKINGLUJAH THANK YOU BLIZZARD GO RE MATCH VS RESPONSES XD | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 13 2010 07:00 floor exercise wrote: Yeah I still don't understand why zergs pretend OL drop isnt in the game nydus isn't that great as a troop transport, it's fast but in sc1 it was better imo as it is now i rather have the old nydus as all i needed to do is right click the nydus to send all my units though instead of having to hot key the entrance and he exit i want and baby it. I mean i can see myself using it and i have mid game to protect my earlier expos from harass and constantly sending my troops back to the front of his base for the contain. but late game when i want to move around 50 lings and ultralisk i can't see it being that useful with all those units. | ||
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