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On March 13 2013 02:38 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:33 mGGNoRe wrote:Well considerings all you ppl are awesomely pro at this campaign I should ask here for help! I'm stuck + Show Spoiler + on the 3 boss mission on zerus and I can't beat zurvan. Any tips? I found that part relatively easy. What's actually killing you? + Show Spoiler +The tentacles that come up, the final stage of his attacks , or something else? Basically you primarily use the jump ability to do damage to him, and walk out of the way of things. Dash for fast movement to dodge / kill minor things if they're in the way, constant heals, and charge should do it. If you look on the ground you can see where his main attack will hit next, so you should really never get hit by it. I actually died to the first guy on that mission (shame  ), but the other ones I found easy.
+ Show Spoiler +I keep getting overwhelmed by numbers, i dont have the DPS/energy to kill all the spawns. your answer makes me think you never played it on brutral/hard
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On March 13 2013 02:46 mGGNoRe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:38 Insane wrote:On March 13 2013 02:33 mGGNoRe wrote:Well considerings all you ppl are awesomely pro at this campaign I should ask here for help! I'm stuck + Show Spoiler + on the 3 boss mission on zerus and I can't beat zurvan. Any tips? I found that part relatively easy. What's actually killing you? + Show Spoiler +The tentacles that come up, the final stage of his attacks , or something else? Basically you primarily use the jump ability to do damage to him, and walk out of the way of things. Dash for fast movement to dodge / kill minor things if they're in the way, constant heals, and charge should do it. If you look on the ground you can see where his main attack will hit next, so you should really never get hit by it. I actually died to the first guy on that mission (shame ), but the other ones I found easy. + Show Spoiler +I keep getting overwhelmed by numbers, i dont have the DPS/energy to kill all the spawns. your answer makes me think you never played it on brutral/hard
+ Show Spoiler +You can get the boss to kill most of them, by luring the adds to stand in the red incoming attack areas.
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I'm 4-5 hours in now (finished the Level with the 3 Bosses on Zerus and got the Lurkers) and I think it's waaay easier than the WoL campaign, so far there was no challenging mission.
I really like the mission design and the production quality in general, but I think they take your hand way too much with things like introducing abilities etc.
I mean it's cool for new players, but I think it's a little lame when you finish almost half a level that is based around your hero and you are still in a region where they explain skills to you. You feel like you are walking through a tutorial when you in fact are 3 hours into the game (which is already an expansion of a 10+ hours campaign in WoL!). It's like playing with a person behind your shoulder who tells you every single move that you have to do. Especially the first couple of missions feel a little shallow on the gameplay side. WoL had similar problems at times, but wasn't as extreme in my opinion.
The plot is really good so far, way better than WoL imo 
Overall really satisfied so far, and that says something because my expectations were pretty high.
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On March 13 2013 02:51 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:46 mGGNoRe wrote:On March 13 2013 02:38 Insane wrote:On March 13 2013 02:33 mGGNoRe wrote:Well considerings all you ppl are awesomely pro at this campaign I should ask here for help! I'm stuck + Show Spoiler + on the 3 boss mission on zerus and I can't beat zurvan. Any tips? I found that part relatively easy. What's actually killing you? + Show Spoiler +The tentacles that come up, the final stage of his attacks , or something else? Basically you primarily use the jump ability to do damage to him, and walk out of the way of things. Dash for fast movement to dodge / kill minor things if they're in the way, constant heals, and charge should do it. If you look on the ground you can see where his main attack will hit next, so you should really never get hit by it. I actually died to the first guy on that mission (shame ), but the other ones I found easy. + Show Spoiler +I keep getting overwhelmed by numbers, i dont have the DPS/energy to kill all the spawns. your answer makes me think you never played it on brutral/hard + Show Spoiler +You can get the boss to kill most of them, by luring the adds to stand in the red incoming attack areas.
tried that already, keep dieing. I can get quite far just by hiding burrowed and waiting till i have an opening but i usually have to wait 20mins or more before i have a window of opportunity.
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On March 13 2013 02:46 mGGNoRe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I keep getting overwhelmed by numbers, i dont have the DPS/energy to kill all the spawns. your answer makes me think you never played it on brutral/hard
+ Show Spoiler +I'm actually relieved I'm not the only one who found that boss really hard on Brutal. I had to use several saves. You have to use the jump ability all the time (plus attack with all units obv) and try to save as many units as possible. Against light spawns, use charge, otherwise use jump and attack move, but the tough ones are really hard to deal with while avoiding the tentacles. Ironically, the end is the easiest, since he stops spawning guys and you can just avoid his attacks and finish him.
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On March 13 2013 02:46 mGGNoRe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:38 Insane wrote:On March 13 2013 02:33 mGGNoRe wrote:Well considerings all you ppl are awesomely pro at this campaign I should ask here for help! I'm stuck + Show Spoiler + on the 3 boss mission on zerus and I can't beat zurvan. Any tips? I found that part relatively easy. What's actually killing you? + Show Spoiler +The tentacles that come up, the final stage of his attacks , or something else? Basically you primarily use the jump ability to do damage to him, and walk out of the way of things. Dash for fast movement to dodge / kill minor things if they're in the way, constant heals, and charge should do it. If you look on the ground you can see where his main attack will hit next, so you should really never get hit by it. I actually died to the first guy on that mission (shame ), but the other ones I found easy. + Show Spoiler +I keep getting overwhelmed by numbers, i dont have the DPS/energy to kill all the spawns. your answer makes me think you never played it on brutral/hard
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I played and beat every mission on brutal... Dash is very effective at killing the spawns. IIRC against Ultras I also used the jump. I had basically every possible level on Kerrigan at that point (don't know if you'd done all the optional objectives, but it helps a lot). I also had picked all my Kerrigan evolutions such that they helped her instead of Zerg as a whole.
I never had a hard time avoiding the tentacles (I think I got hit once or something by them), and as long as I kept moving the spawns were pretty killable with my spells. I didn't bother keeping the other units alive (maybe if I'd been playing on a slower speed, but I didn't think they'd be very useful - for none of the other bosses did I bother keeping them alive).
That was actually one of my favorite levels.
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tbh i think you ppl are talking crap... i have done every bonus objective except for 1 or two and im only level 40. Very far from "every kerrigan level". I've already worked out your "advice" and it hasn't worked on hard, let alone brutal. I think you guys never did it on brutal tbh.
currently 40mins into my current attempt, hiding int he ground waiting for a window of opportunity TT
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On March 13 2013 02:54 Insane wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I played and beat every mission on brutal... Dash is very effective at killing the spawns. IIRC against Ultras I also used the jump. I had basically every possible level on Kerrigan at that point (don't know if you'd done all the optional objectives, but it helps a lot). I also had picked all my Kerrigan evolutions such that they helped her instead of Zerg as a whole.
I never had a hard time avoiding the tentacles (I think I got hit once or something by them), and as long as I kept moving the spawns were pretty killable with my spells. I didn't bother keeping the other units alive (maybe if I'd been playing on a slower speed, but I didn't think they'd be very useful - for none of the other bosses did I bother keeping them alive).
+ Show Spoiler +I'm starting to think it must depend on when you chose to do that mission. Because the hard spawns were really really hard to kill with my Kerrigan alone. Like auto attacks do almost nothing, dash does nothing, jump hurts them 60% or whatever).
I absolutely could *not* finish the boss if I didn't keep most of my units alive (which is almost impossible without saves).
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On March 13 2013 02:58 mGGNoRe wrote:
tbh i think you ppl are talking crap... i have done every bonus objective except for 1 or two and im only level 40. Very far from "every kerrigan level". I've already worked out your "advice" and it hasn't worked on hard, let alone brutal. I think you guys never did it on brutal tbh.
currently 40mins into my current attempt, hiding int he ground waiting for a window of opportunity TT
Did you even read my post? I mostly agree with you. It's hard (at least if you do it at a certain time in the campaign).
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yeah I read yours, your the only reasonable person here ^_^
Trying your advice now.
just died... on my 15th attempt now.
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On March 13 2013 03:00 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:58 mGGNoRe wrote:
tbh i think you ppl are talking crap... i have done every bonus objective except for 1 or two and im only level 40. Very far from "every kerrigan level". I've already worked out your "advice" and it hasn't worked on hard, let alone brutal. I think you guys never did it on brutal tbh.
currently 40mins into my current attempt, hiding int he ground waiting for a window of opportunity TT Did you even read my post? I mostly agree with you. It's hard.
Why would he? You are supposdely giving advice on an impossible boss that can not be beaten. Of course you are talking crap!
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Btw you can also
+ Show Spoiler +Send 2 or 3 roach/hydra to both of the top ends of the platform, there is a dead zone there and it is relatively unlikely that they will get attacked by enemies there. After that just ignore your units and focus on microing Kerrigan, kill all the adds that spawn asap and only focus the boss when all the other units are dead.
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did it! thanks pop for your advice, keeping them alive is what did it. much thanks!
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I figured it was super obvious that by "every Kerrigan level" I meant every Kerrigan level it's possible to have at that point (i.e., I did all the bonus objectives on each of the missions before it), not that I was actually max level possible at the end of the campaign...
And yes, if you do it earlier on then it's probably harder. I didn't do Zerus until I had no other option. It also seems pretty retarded that you think I'm lying about beating the level, lol.
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On March 13 2013 02:58 mGGNoRe wrote:
tbh i think you ppl are talking crap... i have done every bonus objective except for 1 or two and im only level 40. Very far from "every kerrigan level". I've already worked out your "advice" and it hasn't worked on hard, let alone brutal. I think you guys never did it on brutal tbh.
currently 40mins into my current attempt, hiding int he ground waiting for a window of opportunity TT
Look, if you can't beat it on brutal (or even hard), with having the boss hit the adds and spamming abilities, then the problem is you, not the advice.
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If most of you played WoL, the campaign could be significantly easier because you have also gotten a lot better at the game. Don't get me wrong, I am about 75% through the campaign (about 8 hours in) and I have not had any trouble on any of the missions, but comparing how I play these missions with how I played WoL, there's a significant improvement in my overall play.
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On March 12 2013 13:25 zbedlam wrote:
Was trying to decide whether or not to buy this game, since the single player sounds horrible and the multiplayer looks marginally better than WoL I'm going to go ahead and say no.
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On March 13 2013 03:07 Cheetahlol wrote:
If most of you played WoL, the campaign could be significantly easier because you have also gotten a lot better at the game. Don't get me wrong, I am about 75% through the campaign (about 8 hours in) and I have not had any trouble on any of the missions, but comparing how I play these missions with how I played WoL, there's a significant improvement in my overall play.
I played the WoL on brutal right before HotS on brutal. And it was way more challenging. Or better said, it was challenging. HotS was just a runthrough without any challenge what so ever...
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It felt easier than WoL on brutal but I think maybe it's because you get to play zerg. The campaign was a lot of fun though.
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THe primal zerg boss fights are A LOT of fun - I'm defidently going to go replay that level just for the fun of those fights again.
As the campaign being too easy - I somewhat agree. For the hardcore gamer, it is pretty damn easy. However, for anyone below that, brutal still is a big challenge (if not out of reach). I wouldn't mind blizzard releasing a followup to the campaign that includes an "impossible" version that requires elite play to defeat, but this likely won't happen.
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On March 12 2013 16:29 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:28 padfoota wrote:
So I was playing Diablo 3....I mean HoTS campaign -_- The campaign is bad, really bad. I'd say it's an even bigger disappointment than Diablo 3. The story... well, it didn't convince me either. It's extremely contrived, even more than WoL.
Wait? What? I couldn't possibly disagree more.
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