Was the Campaign too easy?

On March 12 2013 11:30 lazyitachi wrote:
So nice being a student.. playing for 12- 13 hours and all. Or unemployed... or a progamer.. whichever you are :S

Yeah. but they removed all the brutal and hard achievements i think.. its just normal ach and whatever achi.. should be much more doable than WOL ones

Did you do it WHILE trying to get the achi/ bonus missions?
I think if you strive for perfect execution, its much harder than just getting thru the missions.

On March 12 2013 11:30 lazyitachi wrote:
So nice being a student.. playing for 12- 13 hours and all. Or unemployed... or a progamer.. whichever you are :S

Yeah. but they removed all the brutal and hard achievements i think.. its just normal ach and whatever achi.. should be much more doable than WOL ones

Did you do it WHILE trying to get the achi/ bonus missions?
I think if you strive for perfect execution, its much harder than just getting thru the missions.

On March 12 2013 11:37 digmouse wrote:
Simply finish the campaign on Brutal is never hard, even in WoL, the hard part in HotS are the achievements, I found the Mastery category achievements are way harder than most the objective achievements of WoL campaign.

On March 12 2013 13:50 Terranlover wrote:
that was by far the worst campaigne i ever played lol, bad story, bad pacing, bad presentation, way too easy and way too short.

On March 12 2013 13:36 Whatson wrote:
Nony pretty much made roaches, made hydras and a-moved through all the levels. I haven't played it yet, but it didn't look nearly as entertaining as WoL campaign, and maybe even easier

On March 12 2013 17:02 dainbramage wrote:
Just finished.

What I really really didn't like is that there is not a single mission that is a simple "macro up and go kill the other guy". Not one in 20. Every mission has some gimmick. And even the missions closest to that give you what... 2 bases max? And if you're lucky one will have 10 mineral patches.

On March 12 2013 17:02 dainbramage wrote:
Just finished.

What I really really didn't like is that there is not a single mission that is a simple "macro up and go kill the other guy". Not one in 20. Every mission has some gimmick. And even the missions closest to that give you what... 2 bases max? And if you're lucky one will have 10 mineral patches.

On March 12 2013 17:40 padfoota wrote:


Hey I made 200/200 a couple times :/

On March 12 2013 17:48 SergioCQH wrote:


There are thousands of this type of mission. They're located in the Multiplayer Campaign.

. That's still by far the best RTS campaign ever made

On March 12 2013 18:14 Existor wrote:

Best? Seriously? Half of the missions were around "Make army and destroy every thing of enemy fortress"

On March 12 2013 18:46 DidYuhim wrote:
IMO, so far the weakest campaign in Starcraft so far.

Weak story, characters feel empty, plotline is obious, missions are plain and not that hard even on brutal, most of them are annoying rather than hard.

I hope mr.Metzen will deliver in next episode.

On March 12 2013 19:18 Cyro wrote:
How do you beat The Crucible (the protect kerrigan chrysalis mission) on brutal and also get the bonus objective? I built 20 or so lings and burrowed them next to it, i have a save file with about 6 minutes left with them there - i can build 10 or so mutas and fly down to kill the zerg thing, and my base defense is all fine until the last 90 seconds.. consistently failing with 20 seconds on the clock, everything i have gets destroyed. Im not sure what to build, more spines, more swarm hosts? It feels like infinite mutas would not work - i tried having a dozen or two of them and the units that cant shoot up just kill kerrigan before the mutas can kill them.

I had no trouble at all on any mission but this one i failed three times in a row - maybe i just need to restart.

On March 12 2013 14:28 noD wrote:
Not easier people are just better e after 3 years... Plus zerg OP (jk well not really...)

On March 12 2013 19:18 Cyro wrote:
How do you beat The Crucible (the protect kerrigan chrysalis mission) on brutal and also get the bonus objective? I built 20 or so lings and burrowed them next to it, i have a save file with about 6 minutes left with them there - i can build 10 or so mutas and fly down to kill the zerg thing, and my base defense is all fine until the last 90 seconds.. consistently failing with 20 seconds on the clock, everything i have gets destroyed. Im not sure what to build, more spines, more swarm hosts? It feels like infinite mutas would not work - i tried having a dozen or two of them and the units that cant shoot up just kill kerrigan before the mutas can kill them.

I had no trouble at all on any mission but this one i failed three times in a row - maybe i just need to restart.

On March 12 2013 22:53 GizmoPT wrote:
anyone found any easter eggsyet ? or everyone just rushing campaign ?

On March 12 2013 22:24 shin_toss wrote:
[Might contain Spoilers!]

Ok for me. Not bad not too good. The improvement in cut scenes was reaaally nice though.

I like:

-The Evolution and Kerrigan leveling
-The campaign UI
-So much improved cut scenes
-Lurker :D
-Hot kerrigan

I didn't like:

-Zerg talking really good english (I think its for the users to understand the story) but still they kinda talk and act like humans already. That's not the zerg I used to know.

-Cheesy lines. and some weird zerg to zerg talk.

-I feel like playing Diablo 3 and a bit of Warcraft on the missions vs Primal Zergs

-Too easy.

-Story kinda sucked for me.

-Izsha looks like the bad guy in Harry Potter

On March 12 2013 22:53 GizmoPT wrote:
anyone found any easter eggsyet ? or everyone just rushing campaign ?

On March 12 2013 22:53 GizmoPT wrote:
anyone found any easter eggsyet ? or everyone just rushing campaign ?

On March 12 2013 22:53 GizmoPT wrote:
anyone found any easter eggsyet ? or everyone just rushing campaign ?

On March 12 2013 18:14 Existor wrote:

Best? Seriously? Half of the missions were around "Make army and destroy every thing of enemy fortress"

On March 13 2013 00:50 SevenOfNine wrote:
1 question does the story change if you helped nova comapred to tosh?

because if it is different i need to replay WoL campaign and help nova, DERP -.- xD

On March 12 2013 18:46 DidYuhim wrote:
IMO, so far the weakest campaign in Starcraft so far.

Weak story, characters feel empty, plotline is obious, missions are plain and not that hard even on brutal, most of them are annoying rather than hard.

I hope mr.Metzen will deliver in next episode.

On March 12 2013 22:53 GizmoPT wrote:
anyone found any easter eggsyet ? or everyone just rushing campaign ?

On March 13 2013 01:13 jdsowa wrote:
How one of the top North American players, who has been playing this game day in and day out for a living for the last several years, finds this game mode, which was designed to be played by millions of casual gamers, *TOO EASY*... is just really poor design on Blizzard's part.

On March 13 2013 01:22 BeyondCtrL wrote:
So here we are, almost everyone bitching about the difficulty of the campaign and the shallowness of the plot. How easily are people over looking the sheer QUALITY of the game, the polish and fun factor? It took me about 10 hours to finish brutal and every hour I was still amazed by it. On all aspects of visuals: art, animation, palette, and models the game is gorgeous. The detail that you find in every level is just absurd. There were some glitches/bugs but it only happened twice. As good as it looks it sounds just as good. When the only part of a game you find lacking is your disagreement with how the story or difficulty is handled it means that its a seriously well polished game that oozes quality. It's not perfect, but it's damn close; an arbitrary thing such as difficulty cannot be included.

Even though the story was a bit cheesy (not really a fan of how most Blizzard characters are default Mary Sues) it was still really well done. I know that this is their style and I try to appreciate it, and once you do it's hard not to see the immense love that has gone into this game. They wanted to do something different with the campaign, achieve a different feel, and they succeeded. How can people know that, then blame them because its bad since they don't like the concept, regardless of execution?

How many AAA titles come out nowadays with such quality? With SimCity fresh in my mind this game feels like the kiss of an angel. In fact I can imagine a kid playing this game and feeling the same way I did when I first played SC all those years ago.

9.7/10

GJ Blizzard, one of best, and definitely the best since WoL, damn RTS campaign I've ever played.

On March 13 2013 01:41 ddrddrddrddr wrote:

I haven't played it but the argument is kind of inane. It's like saying a polished turd doesn't stink...

On March 13 2013 01:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:


Well, an insipid reply if there ever was one. Troll harder.

after 12-13 hours of play

On March 13 2013 01:22 BeyondCtrL wrote:
So here we are, almost everyone bitching about the difficulty of the campaign and the shallowness of the plot. How easily are people over looking the sheer QUALITY of the game, the polish and fun factor? It took me about 10 hours to finish brutal and every hour I was still amazed by it. On all aspects of visuals: art, animation, palette, and models the game is gorgeous. The detail that you find in every level is just absurd. There were some glitches/bugs but it only happened twice. As good as it looks it sounds just as good. When the only part of a game you find lacking is your disagreement with how the story or difficulty is handled it means that its a seriously well polished game that oozes quality. It's not perfect, but it's damn close; an arbitrary thing such as difficulty cannot be included.

Even though the story was a bit cheesy (not really a fan of how most Blizzard characters are default Mary Sues) it was still really well done. I know that this is their style and I try to appreciate it, and once you do it's hard not to see the immense love that has gone into this game. They wanted to do something different with the campaign, achieve a different feel, and they succeeded. How can people know that, then blame them because its bad since they don't like the concept, regardless of execution?

How many AAA titles come out nowadays with such quality? With SimCity fresh in my mind this game feels like the kiss of an angel. In fact I can imagine a kid playing this game and feeling the same way I did when I first played SC all those years ago.

9.7/10

GJ Blizzard, one of best, and definitely the best since WoL, damn RTS campaign I've ever played.

On March 13 2013 02:33 mGGNoRe wrote:
Well considerings all you ppl are awesomely pro at this campaign I should ask here for help! I'm stuck

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 13 2013 02:38 Insane wrote:

I found that part relatively easy. What's actually killing you? + Show Spoiler +, or something else? Basically you primarily use the jump ability to do damage to him, and walk out of the way of things. Dash for fast movement to dodge / kill minor things if they're in the way, constant heals, and charge should do it. If you look on the ground you can see where his main attack will hit next, so you should really never get hit by it.

I actually died to the first guy on that mission (shame ), but the other ones I found easy.

On March 13 2013 02:58 mGGNoRe wrote:
tbh i think you ppl are talking crap... i have done every bonus objective except for 1 or two and im only level 40. Very far from "every kerrigan level". I've already worked out your "advice" and it hasn't worked on hard, let alone brutal. I think you guys never did it on brutal tbh.

currently 40mins into my current attempt, hiding int he ground waiting for a window of opportunity TT

On March 13 2013 03:00 PoP wrote:


Did you even read my post? I mostly agree with you. It's hard.

On March 13 2013 02:58 mGGNoRe wrote:
tbh i think you ppl are talking crap... i have done every bonus objective except for 1 or two and im only level 40. Very far from "every kerrigan level". I've already worked out your "advice" and it hasn't worked on hard, let alone brutal. I think you guys never did it on brutal tbh.

currently 40mins into my current attempt, hiding int he ground waiting for a window of opportunity TT

On March 12 2013 13:25 zbedlam wrote:
Was trying to decide whether or not to buy this game, since the single player sounds horrible and the multiplayer looks marginally better than WoL I'm going to go ahead and say no.

On March 13 2013 03:07 Cheetahlol wrote:
If most of you played WoL, the campaign could be significantly easier because you have also gotten a lot better at the game. Don't get me wrong, I am about 75% through the campaign (about 8 hours in) and I have not had any trouble on any of the missions, but comparing how I play these missions with how I played WoL, there's a significant improvement in my overall play.

On March 12 2013 11:35 Ooshmagoosh wrote:
I watched NonY a-move everything on brutal in the last mission with self-reviving-at-full-health ultralisks and mega-hydras, only one attempt needed. At least he -spoiler alert- + Show Spoiler +, that level looked pretty rough.

We'll see how things change with the Brutal no-upgrades-research challenge:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146562

or some kind of drone / crawler or zergling-only no-upgrades-research:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155237

On March 12 2013 16:29 Morfildur wrote:

The campaign is bad, really bad. I'd say it's an even bigger disappointment than Diablo 3.

The story... well, it didn't convince me either. It's extremely contrived, even more than WoL.

On March 13 2013 03:23 Wivyx wrote:


Wait? What? I couldn't possibly disagree more.

On March 13 2013 03:15 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote:



I played the WoL on brutal right before HotS on brutal. And it was way more challenging. Or better said, it was challenging. HotS was just a runthrough without any challenge what so ever...

On March 13 2013 03:35 paralleluniverse wrote:
Some ability combinations seemed overpowered. For example zergling reconstruction + 3 zergling per egg upgrade gives you an endless stream of free and near instant build time zerglings. It makes swarm host's locust look like a joke.

Kerrigan being able to spawn 6 banelings on top of enemy units is also very good.

But who cares? the campaign is for fun. It's not serious business.

On March 13 2013 03:51 Insane wrote:
I actually thought the campaign was pretty fun . Was the dialogue a bit hamfisted and some of the things a bit silly? sure (In particular the mission where Kerrigan has to stand there while you use the other guy (being deliberately a bit vague) to take key areas in time seemed a bit silly ).
That said, I liked it a lot more than WoL and I didn't find myself getting annoyed with Kerrigan the way I did with Raynor in WoL. I don't know, it felt like a big step up to me; also, the level design was pretty good, varied, and interesting.

On March 13 2013 03:55 MrSexington wrote:


I thought the dialogue was a big improvement over WoL.

I found almost ever word that came out of Raynor's mouth almost cringe worthy. His lines were just so corny.

On March 13 2013 03:51 Insane wrote:
I actually thought the campaign was pretty fun . Was the dialogue a bit hamfisted and some of the things a bit silly? sure (In particular the mission where Kerrigan has to stand there while you use the other guy (being deliberately a bit vague) to take key areas in time seemed a bit silly ).
That said, I liked it a lot more than WoL and I didn't find myself getting annoyed with Kerrigan the way I did with Raynor in WoL. I don't know, it felt like a big step up to me; also, the level design was pretty good, varied, and interesting.

On March 13 2013 04:17 s3rp wrote:


I was very annoyed by Kerrigan . I hated the way she handled her buissness . Her motivation was murky at best in my eyes and the way she acted i actually killed her myself a few times because i disliked her that much after a cutscene.

On March 12 2013 11:21 spirates wrote:
I just finished it at brutal, after 12-13 hours of play. And meanwhile I was playing, it hit me how easy this campaign is. There were not a single mission that I didnt steamroll on first try except for 1 or 2 random missions where I just fooled around and had to reload 3 to the latest autosave.

The last mission was a joke. I remember WoL campain where I struggled hard on some missions, for example In Utter Darkness and All In, but also other missions where really hard.

Or maybe its just me not being a noob anymore..

Other then the difficulty the campain was really great, better conversations and emotions then in WoL.

I just finished it at brutal, after 12-13 hours of play

On March 13 2013 04:22 striderxxx wrote:


Lol that's a lot of hate man. Kerrigan is hot, and like in real life, one doesn't care what a hot girl says or does, you'll still do whatever she bids of you.

On March 13 2013 04:37 s3rp wrote:


Aw hell naw . She like a crazy hot chick that even though she looks good the moment she opens her mouth you just want her to shup up and never open it again. I can fake liking those girls but in the back of my head just wanna make her stop spewing non-sense.

For example the way she reacted to Zeratul . What was that about ? What did he ever to do the actual Kerrigan and not the Kerrigan that was bad ? Why did she jump him like that ?

On March 13 2013 04:52 vrok wrote:

Yeah that one and the ending were extraordinarily stupid. I actually laughed while they were playing because of how stupid they were. I can't believe someone can actually write a script that's so bad, nevertheless have it accepted, for a game of this magnitude.

On March 12 2013 18:17 vrok wrote:

Yes. That's what an RTS is all about. It's the entire point of the genre. If I buy an RTS, I want to play an RTS. The missions were also reasonably hard and generally required you to battle over resources and expand several times to win instead of this modern retard mode where you only play the objective and 'find all the thingies' with what you're given at the start of the map. BW = king.

On March 13 2013 04:59 ODKStevez wrote:
You must have done it on casual. It is all about the story. Just enjoy it instead of complaining. It was amazing.

On March 13 2013 05:38 maartendq wrote:

SC:BW and WC3 both had the same problem: every mission was the same thing over and over again. Blizzard mixed it up with WoL, and mixed it up even more with HOTS. You can actually see that Blizzard took some inspiration from the way Relic did things with Dawn of War 2.

It's for the better really. If I want to build a base and destroy my enemy's base, I just play multiplayer.

On March 13 2013 03:31 Bommes wrote:


Yeah, all these comments are really curious. Especially from people who took the time to sit through the whole thing in the first 24 hours after release, basically playing a whole day. Why do they play a Singleplayer campaign for that long in one sitting when they don't even like it :D

On March 13 2013 06:54 Evangelist wrote:
The campaign had some pretty creative missions. The Primal Boss I had to eventually give up on at Brutal and even Hard - I don't have that kind of micro. Plot was comfortably better than Brood War and Starcraft 1, but worse than Warcraft 3 and TFT.

On March 13 2013 06:54 Evangelist wrote:
The campaign had some pretty creative missions. The Primal Boss I had to eventually give up on at Brutal and even Hard - I don't have that kind of micro. Plot was comfortably better than Brood War and Starcraft 1, but worse than Warcraft 3 and TFT.

On March 13 2013 09:03 teddyoojo wrote:

i dont think blizzard will ever be able to get a campaign as good as the wc3roc campaign ever again

On March 13 2013 08:52 kyllinghest wrote:


Well he did leave her to die, only for her destiny to turn out far worse; infestation.

On March 13 2013 09:19 vultdylan wrote:
The different mutations were so beneficial, like the raptorling and the vile roach, kinda makes the game a walk in the park, not to mention the later upgrades.
Also Abathur best voice ever?

On March 13 2013 09:32 tomwizz wrote:


Yeah, i really like his voice especially when upgrade unit.
"preparing for evolution, await decision"


and what's a master archive?
Is it just a mission archive like in WoL?

On March 13 2013 09:19 vultdylan wrote:
The different mutations were so beneficial, like the raptorling and the vile roach, kinda makes the game a walk in the park, not to mention the later upgrades.
Also Abathur best voice ever?

On March 13 2013 09:19 vultdylan wrote:
Also Abathur best voice ever?

On March 13 2013 05:56 renaissanceMAN wrote:


rofl what the fuck, I hope that's not real

On March 12 2013 17:02 dainbramage wrote:
Just finished.

What I really really didn't like is that there is not a single mission that is a simple "macro up and go kill the other guy". Not one in 20. Every mission has some gimmick. And even the missions closest to that give you what... 2 bases max? And if you're lucky one will have 10 mineral patches.

On March 13 2013 11:25 Lexpar wrote:
That third mission is horrible. Attack a huge Terran siege tank outpost with slow lings and queens. Awesome.

On March 13 2013 11:50 IamPryda wrote:
i really dont think the campaign even at the hardest level is meant to be a challenge for good master level gamers. i really think that the whole point of including the campaign is to try to draw more people into the multiplayer universe. i for one would buy the game without a campaign and so would 99 percent of the people using this site.

On March 13 2013 09:58 Roe wrote:


his voice reminded me of Anubarak a lot

I don't believe anyone beat + Show Spoiler +on brutal until I see a video of it done tbqh
F*cking.... help?

33 deaths and counting

On March 13 2013 13:31 ffadicted wrote:
50 deaths and counting now... I seriously refuse to believe it's possible on brutal until I see video proof I must be missing something if everyone else thought it was relatively unchallenging

Those spawns that shoot acide + the ultralisks = instant GG, they destroy everything

On March 13 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:
was quite unimpressed with the final missions finished the last 2 very easily in one shot

especially compared to all-in, that shit was like impossible took Artosis like 2 days to manage to finish it off

i feel all in all though the difficulty was good, there was a few missions i had had to redo to manage to finish it off but then i did it brutal first run



not that hard, jsut focus on dodging his fingers, remember they do friendly splash so use that to advantage

jsut focus on staying alive and keep your orig units as alive as possible and focusing on him

On March 13 2013 13:35 shinosai wrote:


On all the bosses I just let all my units die and solo'd them with kerrigan. Her heal ability is totally overpowered. I one shotted all the bosses (on brutal, not sure if that makes a diff)

On March 13 2013 12:57 ffadicted wrote:
I don't believe anyone beat + Show Spoiler +on brutal until I see a video of it done tbqh
F*cking.... help?

33 deaths and counting

On March 13 2013 14:03 SuperYo1000 wrote:
for an expansion,this was great. lol at people complaining about it being to easy....why not just not select any upgrades like it says at the begining. I'd like to see you complete it then

On March 13 2013 12:57 ffadicted wrote:
I don't believe anyone beat + Show Spoiler +on brutal until I see a video of it done tbqh
F*cking.... help?

33 deaths and counting

On March 13 2013 13:31 ffadicted wrote:
50 deaths and counting now... I seriously refuse to believe it's possible on brutal until I see video proof I must be missing something if everyone else thought it was relatively unchallenging

Those spawns that shoot acide + the ultralisks = instant GG, they destroy everything

On March 13 2013 17:58 Tracil wrote:
I would suggest the whole point of intimidating difficulty levels named 'Brutal' is to push players to the limit. Yes, even the skilled ones.

Hell, isn't that why you have multiple difficulty levels at all? To appeal to a range of people? The weaker/newer players wouldn't get all up in arms about not being able to get past clearly marked higher-difficulties, just like the skillful/experienced ones would hardly complain about easy mode being easy. It's the fact that the mode which should challenge them does not, and that's a legitimate complaint.

On March 13 2013 18:01 Maesy wrote:
Yeah... it's a campaign. It's not meant to feel too incredibly difficult. You're going through it to be told a story. Not sure what people were expecting here.

On March 13 2013 05:56 renaissanceMAN wrote:


rofl what the fuck, I hope that's not real

On March 12 2013 11:37 digmouse wrote:
Simply finish the campaign on Brutal is never hard, even in WoL, the hard part in HotS are the achievements, I found the Mastery category achievements are way harder than most the objective achievements of WoL campaign.