Beta Balance Update #14 - Page 10

On February 14 2013 12:33 Rabiator wrote:
Just cover your base entrances (where the Medivac will come from) with Spores / Turrets / Cannons already. Its not that expensive and can save your ass, so why not do it? Battle Hellions are slow and short ranged, so they need to be dropped right on the workers. There are still the Widow Mines which could be dropped in your base, so having some detection prepared already is good. People should stop this stupid "this slows my attack timing down by 1 minute, so its bad" way of thinking.

On February 14 2013 11:29 Aveng3r wrote:
what the hell is stopping people from transporting 4 hellions and then turning them into hellbats? Ive been a vocal critic of blizzard recently and this change does nothing to change my mind

On February 14 2013 12:31 Valon wrote:
With this change blizzard shows they have no idea what they are doing.

On February 14 2013 12:44 furerkip wrote:


Then you must have a really bad reaction time, the transformation takes a bit of time to do.

Honestly, you do the same thing vs. hellbat as you would against bio; stop the drops from coming. If that means you have to open Stargate to stop the medivacs, then open stargate; if you need to open Robo to see where the drop is coming, then open Robo. You can't actually complain against the hellbat just because it exists; it's a vital unit to make mech viable in TvP (which is really nice if you're terran).

Don't play WoL, and try to balance HoTS with only WoL in mind. Play HoTS; try all the new units, try your own build orders, try whatever you need to to make it a more fun Beta.

I'm Terran, so I'm clearly biased towards the Terran POV, but still, I hardly see any Protoss stream that deviates much from WoL (same goes for Zerg).

You have a unit that can actually spawn units without energy or cost; why don't you nydus your opponent and send those units through there, and send your other units elsewhere?

You have a unit that has a huge range; why don't you stay on 2 base, get robo and stargate set up, then send your flying unit to harass workers with an observer? I saw someone on stream that time froze SCVs to make the mining time slower, which I thought was incredibly cool. Why don't you try that? Why don't you don't you get the MSC time freeze a medivac you spot and kill the medivac with phoenixes

Like, these ideas should be popping in your head, trying to incorporate them into this new game which no one has completely understood yet, but all I ever see on these forums are bitching about how it doesn't fit with WoL anymore. Of course it doesn't; it's a whole new puzzle.

On February 14 2013 12:48 Bagi wrote:

I think I've heard this comment used for pretty much every change they've ever done.

Would be awesome to hear some reasoning for once.

On February 14 2013 12:44 furerkip wrote:
I'm Terran, so I'm clearly biased towards the Terran POV, but still, I hardly see any Protoss stream that deviates much from WoL (same goes for Zerg).

You have a unit that can actually spawn units without energy or cost; why don't you nydus your opponent and send those units through there, and send your other units elsewhere?

You have a unit that has a huge range; why don't you stay on 2 base, get robo and stargate set up, then send your flying unit to harass workers with an observer? I saw someone on stream that time froze SCVs to make the mining time slower, which I thought was incredibly cool. Why don't you try that? Why don't you don't you get the MSC time freeze a medivac you spot and kill the medivac with phoenixes

Like, these ideas should be popping in your head, trying to incorporate them into this new game which no one has completely understood yet, but all I ever see on these forums are bitching about how it doesn't fit with WoL anymore. Of course it doesn't; it's a whole new puzzle.

On February 14 2013 09:49 ZenithM wrote:

Well, lore wise you can always say that hellions, while rearranging into hellbats, stretch themselves and occupy a bigger volume, they are less compact, hence 4 cargo space.

On February 14 2013 12:48 Bagi wrote:

I think I've heard this comment used for pretty much every change they've ever done.

Would be awesome to hear some reasoning for once.

On February 14 2013 13:17 Patate wrote:


Please don't tell me you're actually impressed by HoTS...

On February 14 2013 13:20 Protosnake wrote:


Being impressed or not doesnt change the subject, when someone hop in a thread to decalre that Blizzard doesnt know what they are doing, it would be nice to provide a reason, so we could, like, have a discussion about it

I kinda like this change but feel like they have a lot lot lot of other issue to fix before HotS go live, such as the new void rays, mines and the general state of Zerg

On February 14 2013 13:17 Patate wrote:


Please don't tell me you're actually impressed by HoTS...

On February 14 2013 12:54 Jinky wrote:


Lol, Nydus + Swarm Host by 8:00? That is all-in for Zerg. Just to counter what is supposed to be a harass? You are overlooking the fact that the Hellbat drop is based on the 1/1/1. The other races can't do that, which is why 1/1/1 has the reputation that it does. If another race tries to mimic the power of 1/1/1, then it becomes an all-in because of the economy sacrificed.

The entire problem with the 4 Hellbat drop is that there is really no loss for the Terran, even if the drop fails miserably, because the opponent must make significant preparations, which hurts their economy/plans/map control. At least nerfing it into a 2 Hellbat drop allows the opponent to not destroy his/her own economy or plans just to defend what ultimately should just be harass (and if it is not simply harass, then it should be all-in at that point in the game, and cost a LOT more.)