EPTBeta Balance Update #11 (Jan 9, 2013) - Page 29
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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mongoose22
174 Posts
On January 10 2013 12:12 SolidMoose wrote: Well I was right about caduceus. It's back to +25 energy. Good job to all the people who didn't believe me XD I can't say for sure without beta access, but I don't think that's correct. They didn't mention anything about reverting the upgrade completely, just that it doesn't heal faster anymore. Remember, the new Caduceus Reactor did two things: it increased the heal rate, and it increased the energy efficiency. So, if it no longer heals faster, then it now just improves your energy efficiency by 67% (5 health/point energy instead of 3 health/point). Which is still quite a bit better than just +25 energy; rather than give you 75 starting energy to heal up to 225 health out of the gate, it makes your starting 50 energy heal 250 health, and each additional point of energy heals for two extra health. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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starimk
106 Posts
The fact that they took out vortex makes me very angry though, since they have now relieved protoss of one of the main late game abilities that has been used to kill blord-festor. You do realize Vortex was already basically neutered, as of Patch 8? | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
Hellbat's flame will also be red but not blue NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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ShivaN
United States933 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
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silverstyle
Singapore1108 Posts
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flyingnimbus
Canada16 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On January 10 2013 12:12 SolidMoose wrote: Well I was right about caduceus. It's back to +25 energy. Good job to all the people who didn't believe me XD That's funny. Literally the only unquestionably good thing to come out of this expansion for Terran (apart from Thors losing energy bars!) gets just straight up cut. Just cut. So Terran, who had the weakest late-game in WoL (that's the same WoL in which Protoss got ripped apart by Infestor/BL) are actually the only ones who don't get any late-game buffs. Zerg get Vipers that demolish mech and insane Ultras that ravage bio, Protoss get insane Tempests that obliterate mech and add to a stronger deathball, and Terran... uhhh................ Uh...... HSM takes less energy? But deals less damage? So I guess it's not as awful as it was for the last two patches? So tier 3 is fine. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
the new hsm is also badass. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
Whether late-game mech can trade effectively with Protoss in actual game is another issue entirely. But the composition itself in the late-game is viable in big engagement. So, the biggest problem is teching to mech. | ||
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Taefox
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On January 10 2013 12:41 Glenn313 wrote: Terran is looking sick right now. What ? Reaper is shit now. It can only be used for scouting. 4 Damage and no up hill vision ? Come on. Just tried them and was kinda disappointed. Well at least TvT will be better. Siege tanks don't require upgrade for siege mode. Yeah it's nice, but I played pure bio because vipers just counter tanks way too hard. And now medivacs don't have the healing upgrade... Siege tank buff is irrelevant in TvP because 1/1/1 CAN'T work in HotS due to Mothership core. Raven change is nice thou. Now they are worth their costs. So, probably the only match-up that changed is TvT (no more reaper wars). | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On January 10 2013 12:46 oxxo wrote: This patch is terrible. The siege tank buff and reasoning makes me think Blizzard knows absolutely nothing about TvP. So mech remains useless on a unit to unit basis and timing attacks get stronger. Wow. Brilliant. Trust me, they know exactly what is wrong with TvP, just like everybody else on this forum. But the problem as we all know is in how they designed Protoss in sc2 and they won't change its core because it would mean that they needed to remake Protoss as a whole and that would also mean that we were right all along, they were wrong and failed at their job. They would also get a shitstorm from people that like sc2 protoss like it is. Since they don't want all that they just try and sweep the problem under the rug by changing stupid shit around the problem that doesn't fix anything in the end. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 10 2013 13:03 Huragius wrote: What ? Reaper is shit now. It can only be used for scouting. 4 Damage and no up hill vision ? Come on. Just tried them and was kinda disappointed. Well at least TvT will be better. Siege tanks don't require upgrade for siege mode. Yeah it's nice, but I played pure bio because vipers just counter tanks way too hard. And now medivacs don't have the healing upgrade... Siege tank buff is irrelevant in TvP because 1/1/1 CAN'T work in HotS due to Mothership core. Raven change is nice thou. Now they are worth their costs. So, probably the only match-up that changed is TvT (no more reaper wars). Thorzain seems to be kicking ass and taking names post patch. We will have to see, rather than theory craft. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
Good too see vortex is gon, and Time warm on mother ship makes sense to make people want to buy it I guess. And I almost forgot: YAY REAPER CHANGE TVT IS PLAYABLE | ||
Falling
Canada11413 Posts
Like is that really the biggest issue with going mech? Getting the siege upgrade in time? To me, when mech play is working properly, that's one of the exciting timing things in a game. Can he hold in time for siege upgrade to finish, can he hold, can he hooold? Siege finishes, Tanks siege up and the shelling begins. (This assumes of course that the Tank is a liiittle more powerful then it currently is- being able to one shot some of the lower tier units used to be a neat thing just to make it feel powerful again.) Dunno. I would think mech play would have more problems with dealing with backstabs, protecting flanks or not scaling properly in the endgame rather than simply a matter of not getting the actual tech fast enough. | ||
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Schlendrian
49 Posts
If Siege Tanks were stronger in lower and weaker in large numbers, then Tank-lines could be much more spread out -> less Deathballs -> more Awesomeness. This could be the buff that Mech needs and this guy eloquently explains why: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=360325 Could you please try this approach instead D.K.? please  | ||
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