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Beta Balance Update #11 (Jan 9, 2013) - Page 26

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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
January 10 2013 01:38 GMT
#501
On January 10 2013 10:36 Rainling wrote:
I don't have a problem with most of these changes.

The siege tank change seems like a bad approach to improving mech- there's no longer the tension of whether siege mode will finish in time for an attack, and because of this siege tanks seem like more boring units now. Besides, it doesn't improve mech at all after siege mode is finished. Why not just buff tanks slightly?

I don't agree with the medivac upgrade change, because medivacs running out of energy is not much of a problem for late game terran. A healing speed increase for medivacs seemed like a fine way to improve the strength of lategame bio, it was just too strong in its current implementation.

I really like the reaper changes. Hopefully they'll be incorporated more into the mid-late game, with less power in the early game.

I'd love a revert to BW damage.
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
January 10 2013 01:39 GMT
#502
I hate reading these thread in general because people always overact and whine before touching the game but I feel like Blizzard is overstepping so they can nerf or buff things they feels may have been nerfed or buff to hard.

Radical step forward, step back to meet the needs.
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
January 10 2013 01:40 GMT
#503
They just keep tearing out upgrades... almost every patch since WoL beta has involved removing stuff.
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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 10 2013 01:41 GMT
#504
On January 10 2013 10:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

Anyways, i LOVE these changes, blizzard always manages to address things in ways no one ever thinks of (maybe a slight exaggeration, but i haven't seen anyone suggest removing siege mode).


What do you think removing the upgrades addresses and do you think this is what mech was missing from becoming strong?
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
January 10 2013 01:42 GMT
#505
These patches are getting more and more ridiculous. Save yourself 40 dollars folks.
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
January 10 2013 01:43 GMT
#506
I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that they might not have any idea what they're doing.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#507
The terran changes seem almost schizophrenic..
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
January 10 2013 01:51 GMT
#508
It's just David trolling again guys. They already have the game done and balanced but they don't want to show it yet so when HOTS finally is released it feels more fresh and new and people get to experiment more with new stuff.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 10 2013 01:53 GMT
#509
Won't the MS Core with AoE slow make early game Protoss all ins even deadlier?
Foudzing
Profile Joined December 2011
France181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 02:06:48
January 10 2013 01:57 GMT
#510
My thoughts as a terran:

Medivacs: Bad, bad, even with this upgrade, going bio against mech was very difficult in hots, I hope TvT will not become a mech vs mech machup where every game last for 45 minutes...
And lategame versus protoss will again be tricky as hell.

Reaper: 50 gas for a unit that as maybe the worst dps in the game, sign me out.
The only use I see is to scout, if you don't want to use a scan.

Tank: This buff won't allow to go mech more often, this buff will allow to 1/1/1 all the protoss to death.
This will increase my win ratio for sure, but i don't think it's the objective of this patch.

Seeker Missile: Great, finnally a really good cast for a 200 gas unit.

Hellbat: Don't know what to think.

As a terran this patch tells me only one thing:
"Cheese bro."
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syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 02:03:10
January 10 2013 01:57 GMT
#511
first impression after few games=> reapers useless, hellbat worse vs zealot but better in big fight, HSM pretty good but very very easy to avoid.
I feel like terran is nerf ftm.
Duncaaaaaan
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom101 Posts
January 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#512
On January 10 2013 10:57 Foudzing wrote:

Medivacs: Bad, bad, even with this upgrade, going bio against mech was very difficult in hots, I hope TvT will not become a mech vs mech machup where every game last for 45 minutes...


I love playing and watching mech vs mech macro games though.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
January 10 2013 02:07 GMT
#513
Has it occurred to anyone else that Oracles are now just fast, anti-light void rays with detection? The two units are incredibly similar without time warp.

Once upon a time, we dreamt of a flying support caster. No more....
LeeJunKi
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada7 Posts
January 10 2013 02:11 GMT
#514
wow mass tank any one?
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
January 10 2013 02:12 GMT
#515
Some of these changes make me so confused. They never seem like they actually know what they're doing.
sweetbabyjesus
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark168 Posts
January 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#516
Damn I hope that blizzard doesn't read these threads. Maybe touch the game before you call bullshit on something?
Crabs
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 02:20:25
January 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#517
Thats a wrong buff to siege tanks. Their problem is mid and LATE game (or?), not early game. This will help only with specific pre-10 minute rushes.

Why did they take away the Medivac buff? It was so cool. It was not needed. They still havent adress the speed boost cost.

Whats up with these change? They started to make good changes, but now they ship a patch that makes no sense and only point that they may lack a vision for the game.
after4ffect
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
January 10 2013 02:18 GMT
#518
That siege tank change seems scary... but as a lot of others have said, I don't think blizzard has a clue about what direction they want to go with this game anymore at all. the tank as far as I'm concerned is something of an iconic unit, that's always functioned (I know not exactly) the same way, you want increased range, you spend money and time to get that increase, and now that is just completely changed. It's almost as if blizzard has a blatant disregard for what Brood War and SC1 was...
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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
January 10 2013 02:19 GMT
#519
tanks dont' require siege mode...wtf? Do they even play test these things?
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 10 2013 02:20 GMT
#520
Yeah I agree with the sentiment that Blizzard is tearing out too many upgrades, lol.

Wtf.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
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