• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:26
CEST 02:26
KST 09:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)10Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy5Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week2Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 SOOP Starcraft Global #22 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
HOW TO FIND A LEGITIMATE CRYPTO RECOVERY EXPERT. Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 24680 users

Beta Balance Update #10 - Page 5

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
1835 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 90 91 92 Next
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 18 2012 21:47 GMT
#81
Blink nerf? Again?
Infestor buff? Again?

Sorry, but that's the first HotS patch that I really disagree with. Don't really care about widow mines, it's not a significant change outside of TvT (banshee openings) and a Medivac nerf was obvious. But the other ones are just bullshit.
theException
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada23 Posts
December 18 2012 21:47 GMT
#82
On December 19 2012 06:39 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +

Zerg

Infestor
Fungal Growth
Range increased from 8 to 10.
Missile speed increased from 10 to 15.


oh god why

If you have been playing ZvT you would know lol
You must accept him just to stay as an exception
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9366 Posts
December 18 2012 21:47 GMT
#83
On December 19 2012 06:34 Raisa wrote:
Why whine about the range 10 fungal? It's still a projectile, and should be relatively easy to dodge with good micro. Without the fungal root, blink stalkers would kill everything zerg has in the lategame.


Why the hell would they focus on the infestor?
If its UP, so what? Its a boring unit and everyone is tired of it. This sunit should have the lowest priority right now. Mech tvp on the other hand should ahve highest priority. Instead they fucking choose to make the widow mine useless vs protoss.
Blizzard is so lucky to be a monopoly in the esports-rts genre.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
December 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#84
On December 19 2012 06:23 Empirimancer wrote:
I take back everything positive I said after the huge patch. They still don't have a clue what they're doing.

- As has been said thousands of times by thousands of different people, Fungal Growth is bad for the game. If the latest nerfs against it make Zerg too weak, buff other aspects of the Zerg race, not FG.




I cannot agree more.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
December 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#85
On December 19 2012 06:34 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:31 digmouse wrote:
WTF 170 seconds on Blink?

Problem is all toss upgrades must be implemented with the idea they can be completely chronoboosted, resulting in long upgrade times.

yeah, just like terran units are more expensive to account for mules and zerg units are weaker because of inject
right?
+ Show Spoiler +
wrong
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
December 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#86
Nerfing the medivac made sense - it was way too easy to get the upgrade on 2-3 bases and then your army was pretty well unstoppable.

But the infestor buff?

...Really, Blizzard? You want to make the infestor BETTER in ZvT? Were you feeling like the matchup was just too easy for Terran?
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
December 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#87
On December 19 2012 06:47 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:34 Raisa wrote:
Why whine about the range 10 fungal? It's still a projectile, and should be relatively easy to dodge with good micro. Without the fungal root, blink stalkers would kill everything zerg has in the lategame.


Why the hell would they focus on the infestor?
If its UP, so what? Its a boring unit and everyone is tired of it. This sunit should have the lowest priority right now. Mech tvp on the other hand should ahve highest priority. Instead they fucking choose to make the widow mine useless vs protoss.
Blizzard is so lucky to be a monopoly in the esports-rts genre.


Safe to say, widowmine is now useless lol beside dropping them.
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#88
On December 19 2012 06:45 D4V3Z02 wrote:
Well they do what their community wanted: making units stronger till they are balanced.


well they only make infestor stronger but nerfed widow mines/cadecus reactor and blink research time for protoss

since I don't have the beta, can somebody that has the beta explain to me why on god's green earth would they buff fungal growth now that cadeceus reactor is nerfed and Zerg has access to speed hydras @ lair?? Are mutas really that broken? Maybe they should revert the mutas back to their WoL self.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#89
On December 19 2012 06:47 Big J wrote:
Blink nerf? Again?
Infestor buff? Again?

Sorry, but that's the first HotS patch that I really disagree with. Don't really care about widow mines, it's not a significant change outside of TvT (banshee openings) and a Medivac nerf was obvious. But the other ones are just bullshit.


Widow mine used to one hit zealot and stalker
they don't anymore.

It's way more important than banshee in TvT. ( which doesn't matter that much since reapers is what is breaking TvT right now )
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
December 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#90
For comparison, what's the speed of the EMP projectile?
Pokemon Master
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 21:51:38
December 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#91


Zerg

Infestor
Fungal Growth
Range increased from 8 to 10.
Missile speed increased from 10 to 15.



I need some clarifications.
Blizzard nerfed the infestor because they are getting massed and their versatility is ridiculous right ?
1) Increasing" missile speed from 10 to 15" Is it the same scale of speed than the unit speed (Muta =4; Overlord= Slow as fuck etc.) ? Because a speed of 15 would be ridiculous and I don't see how you could dodge it without giving a blink ability to the marines...

2) "Range increased from 8 to 10." just... why ? Can someone give me a good reason for this buff ? Remember how huge was the buff of the roach from 3 to 4 range ? The buff of the immortal from 5 to 6 range ? Why would you give such an huge range buff to the infestor ?

They could have given +2 range to the hydra I wouldn't mind...

Edit : You know what "T_T" mean ? Its a sad face but today it's also my Terran_Tears
rly ?
kaNt-
Profile Joined December 2012
163 Posts
December 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#92
Current state of HotS= Zerg>Terran>Protoss

Terran and Protoss pretty even, slight favor to Terran.
leova
Profile Joined April 2011
266 Posts
December 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#93
blink change is completely out of the blue...was no problem with it before, really silly to add it now

love the widow mine change, but still think it shouldn't be able to hit air...

infestor change is interesting, let's see how it combos with the new Zerg army comps
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
December 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#94
The way blizzard is buffing then nerfing and vice versa shows such a lack of direction to me. These changes are just incredibly up and down, like blizzard is bipolar. They cannot seem to hit the sweet spot with the infestor at all. I fear widow mines will be the same issue.
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
December 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#95
Omg you people, I posted this earlier but I'll say again - fungal is still a projectile and INFESTED TERRANS STILL SUCK. They didn't buff infestors to where they were before, they just made them a viable option, which is good considering how strong bio is now. It also starts to fix the muta only play in zvz. As for broodlord infestor now; in zvp roach hydra viper seems like a better composition from the mid to late game anyways and toss has tempest now which counters broodlords, not to mention carriers are amazing now. In zvt, the medivac buffs will allow for better multiprong attacking (MMA and Polt omgggggg) against broodlord infestor, and when going mech there will already be a buff to air armor so thor/air combos will be very good I think.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
December 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#96
What the fuck, doesn't this make fungal stronger then before the nerf? The missile is now so fast it might as well be instant and it has longer range then before...
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#97
Ah, wonder if they'll fix the Mac client.

Hahahahahahaha. They would never do that.
kaNt-
Profile Joined December 2012
163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 21:53:51
December 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#98
On December 19 2012 06:50 kaNt- wrote:
Current state of HotS= Zerg>Terran>Protoss

Terran and Protoss pretty even, slight favor to Terran.


ZvP is going to be a joke, mass tempest seems to be a nice way but in no more than a month zergs and terran will learn to deal with that and toss will be in darkness again...

MSC are good but they cost too much and they are very fragiles, so they are not good enough.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
December 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#99
On December 19 2012 06:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Omg you people, I posted this earlier but I'll say again - fungal is still a projectile and INFESTED TERRANS STILL SUCK.


Hello, let me introduce you to ZvP.

Free units are good units.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
December 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#100
widow mine no longer 1 shot oracle either
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 90 91 92 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #15
Moja vs INexorableLIVE!
Shameless vs Arrogfire
NightPhoenix vs TBD
PAPI vs TBD
Chance vs TBD
Jumy vs MilkiCow
xJustxJordanx1
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
00:00
2025 KFC #11: SC Evolution | Enki Epic Series #3
CranKy Ducklings66
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 251
RuFF_SC2 143
Livibee 139
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 758
Horang2 698
NaDa 18
Terrorterran 13
Icarus 9
Counter-Strike
fl0m3914
Skadoodle238
Other Games
summit1g8048
C9.Mang0768
ViBE316
Trikslyr62
ProTech16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick921
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 57
• davetesta40
• OhrlRock 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 18
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler82
League of Legends
• Doublelift4322
Other Games
• Scarra666
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 34m
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
14h 34m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
SOOP
1d 8h
Cure vs Zoun
SC Evo League
1d 11h
Road to EWC
1d 13h
SOOP Global
1d 14h
Future vs MaNa
Harstem vs Cham
BSL: ProLeague
1d 17h
Sziky vs JDConan
Cross vs MadiNho
Hawk vs Bonyth
Circuito Brasileiro de…
1d 19h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Road to EWC
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
UltrA vs TBD
Dewalt vs TBD
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

NPSL Lushan
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.